Exactly. I actually laughed out loud when I saw he'd written that.

 

BA Baracus, if you're going to try to hide your prejudice, then you need to atleast check your argument for contradictions. You can't say people who protest against the war are "traitors" because they're going against British society, yet support abortion being banned. Either all "true Brits" have to follow the government's stances on ALL issues, or they don't have to follow them on any. You don't just get to pick and choose the issues that "true Brits" are allowed to disagree with depending on your personal opinions.

I trust that you will follow your own standards, and so, will start packing up and heading for a state which doesn't permit abortion. I think quite a few of the Islamic countries might fit the bill...

 

I am in favour strongly of CONTRACEPTION so no conflict of interest and why I find the catholic church so evil but I maintain that anyone who conceives a child should have it so once they are pregnant then no turning back and to me abortion is the equivalent of murder but with my belief in contraception people shouldn't be getting pregnant in first place

I am in favour strongly of CONTRACEPTION so no conflict of interest and why I find the catholic church so evil but I maintain that anyone who conceives a child should have it so once they are pregnant then no turning back and to me abortion is the equivalent of murder but with my belief in contraception people shouldn't be getting pregnant in first place

 

But you implied in your previous post that you had been on anti-abortion protests, or at the very least you supported them, so you are just as much of a "traitor to British society" as the people on this Wootton Bassett march.

But you implied in your previous post that you had been on anti-abortion protests, or at the very least you supported them, so you are just as much of a "traitor to British society" as the people on this Wootton Bassett march.

 

Like I said probably 1% of the British public care about abortion, probably half that number care about animal rights so you are using a poor comparison, whereas 70% of Britons probably care about the war in Afghanistan/Iraq

 

Suppose in the future you become a father and have a child and then that child gets run over by a drink driver and days after the funeral procession for your child goes through the streets of your town a group of motorists protest in your town and demand drink driving be made legal and had placards saying "f*** Dead Kids Put Drunk Drivers First" would you be happy ? its the same principle, these muslims are disrespecting the families of those who have died

Like I said probably 1% of the British public care about abortion, probably half that number care about animal rights so you are using a poor comparison, whereas 70% of Britons probably care about the war in Afghanistan/Iraq

 

Suppose in the future you become a father and have a child and then that child gets run over by a drink driver and days after the funeral procession for your child goes through the streets of your town a group of motorists protest in your town and demand drink driving be made legal and had placards saying "f*** Dead Kids Put Drunk Drivers First" would you be happy ? its the same principle, these muslims are disrespecting the families of those who have died

 

And people who protest outside abortion clinics are disrespectful to women who have had abortions, the vast majority of whom will already be feeling like crap because of it.

 

This might shock you, but what's socially-acceptable and what isn't doesn't revolve around what YOU personally think is right and wrong. You can't say that one is "un-British" if they protest against a feature of society that you approve of, but protesting against a feature of society that you don't approve is fine for protesting against. It doesn't work like that.

 

And more to the point, you said that anyone who disagreed with any government policies should just get out of the country. So...

Edited January 7, 201015 yr by Danny

Spot on.

 

Isn't it ironic how Scott was so vehemently opposed to the BNP's existence. Yet he supports the right of some extremist Muslim group to hold views which are actively homophobic; don't tolerate the existence of any religious beliefs other than that of Muslims; preach hates supporting the terrorist acts of 9/11 and 7/7 and think the UK should be governed by Sharia Law instead of the current laws we have in the UK.

 

I'm not in favour of the group itself or any of their other activities, but I am in favour of this one actual protest against the war which I feel is perfectly legitimate.... I repeat, NO ONE would be arguing about this march if it was Stop the War Coalition organising it, yours, Craig's and Rob's only problems seem to be that it's "nasty Muslims" doing it.... Which, to me, is just hypocrisy.... I bet you supported Hunt Sabbing in the 80s and 90s didn't you....? So, why is that okay, but people marching against a war which has killed tens of thousands of innocent people considered "beyond the pale"...? The life of a fox more important than the life of 30-odd thousand Iraqis killed in two nights of "Shock and Awe" is it.....?

 

I dont particularly support Pro-Life groups, I think they're idiots frankly, but they DO have the right to protest outside Abortion Clinics so long as the protests are peaceful and non-violent, same with Animal Rights groups protesting outside labs..... In fact if it wasn't for these Animal Rights groups breaking into places like labs and abbatoirs and filming evidence of animal abuse and posting it online or sending it to the press, we'd never even get to know about these abuses....

 

Like it or not, this country has a long tradition of people taking Direct Action and Civil Disobedience... Long may it continue as far as I'm concerned.....

This might shock you, but what's socially-acceptable and what isn't doesn't revolve around what YOU personally think is right and wrong. You can't say that one is "un-British" if they protest against a feature of society that you approve of, but protesting against a feature of society that you don't approve is fine for protesting against. It doesn't work like that.

 

And more to the point, you said that anyone who disagreed with any government policies should just get out of the country. So...

 

Guess I'll have to pack my bags then as far as Craig's concerned eh.....? :rolleyes:

 

And you're spot on.... Craig's point is completely hypocritical.....

I'm not in favour of the group itself or any of their other activities, but I am in favour of this one actual protest against the war which I feel is perfectly legitimate.... I repeat, NO ONE would be arguing about this march if it was Stop the War Coalition organising it, yours, Craig's and Rob's only problems seem to be that it's "nasty Muslims" doing it.... Which, to me, is just hypocrisy.... I bet you supported Hunt Sabbing in the 80s and 90s didn't you....? So, why is that okay, but people marching against a war which has killed tens of thousands of innocent people considered "beyond the pale"...? The life of a fox more important than the life of 30-odd thousand Iraqis killed in two nights of "Shock and Awe" is it.....?

 

I dont particularly support Pro-Life groups, I think they're idiots frankly, but they DO have the right to protest outside Abortion Clinics so long as the protests are peaceful and non-violent, same with Animal Rights groups protesting outside labs..... In fact if it wasn't for these Animal Rights groups breaking into places like labs and abbatoirs and filming evidence of animal abuse and posting it online or sending it to the press, we'd never even get to know about these abuses....

 

Like it or not, this country has a long tradition of people taking Direct Action and Civil Disobedience... Long may it continue as far as I'm concerned.....

 

My issue with the march is 75% based on WHERE it will be held and the fact this will cause distress to the families of the dead soldiers and also its potential for riots, the other 25% based on the fact that giving this group a voice will likely radicalise more young muslims and lead to potentially more terrorism, this guy gets to hold a rally he will become the British Osama in the eyes of muslim radicals when really he belongs in a cell for spreading racial and homophobic hate

 

Suppose in the future you become a father and have a child and then that child gets run over by a drink driver and days after the funeral procession for your child goes through the streets of your town a group of motorists protest in your town and demand drink driving be made legal and had placards saying "f*** Dead Kids Put Drunk Drivers First" would you be happy ? its the same principle, these muslims are disrespecting the families of those who have died

 

What an absolute bullsh!t comparison..... As if anyone would defend Drunk Driving FFS..... You know, there's playing Devil's Advocate and there's just being plain STOOPID....

 

Do you not think that the families of innocent victims of this ILLEGAL WAR are being disrespected every time we have bloody parades and services which routinely get hijacked by fukkin' politicians and almost GLORIFY war and this ridiculous notion that it's somehow "glorious" to die for "Queen and Country"?????? Try reading your Wilfred Owen or Siegfried Sassoon sometime...... <_<

My issue with the march is 75% based on WHERE it will be held and the fact this will cause distress to the families of the dead soldiers and also its potential for riots, the other 25% based on the fact that giving this group a voice will likely radicalise more young muslims and lead to potentially more terrorism, this guy gets to hold a rally he will become the British Osama in the eyes of muslim radicals when really he belongs in a cell for spreading racial and homophobic hate

 

Sorry dude, but what you're saying sounds a hell of a lot like "Muslims cant protest against the war".... And, newsflash for you, young British Muslims became radicalised the moment we set foot in that country illegaly and started killing a whole bunch of innocent people, and then turned a blind eye to the US's flagrant human rights abuses and abuses of the Geneva Convention.... #

 

Guilt by Association mate.... The US are our allies, which makes us guilty of being accessories before, during and after the fact, like it or not..... -_- You wouldn't let a lowly Nazi prison guard or a Vichy Regime officer off with just saying "I was only following orders" would you....? This is basically what we are, henchmen to America's war-crimes..... July 7th was NOTHING in comparison to what we did in Baghdad, Basra and Fallujah... And not to mention the wholescale ROBBING and LOOTING of the Iraqi people that's been done by Multinational Corporations getting their snouts in the trough and ripping off the country to the tune of $200 billion.... Shameful.. Absolutely shameful..I honestly cannot believe that you, Rich, Rob and Russ are bitching about some relatively minor demo by a handful of loudmouths (who, frankly, have been given a lot to shout about by us on a silver platter.....), when all this sh!t has been done in "our name"...... Their protest is not exactly unjustified given the absolute RAPING that we have done of Iraq and Afghanistan.....

 

As for "distress", well, what about the distress WE caused when we bombed the homes of innocent Iraqis FFS????? Should we not have to be forced to face what we did...? Bullsh!t, it should be shovelled in our faces...... <_<

I'm not in favour of the group itself or any of their other activities, but I am in favour of this one actual protest against the war which I feel is perfectly legitimate.... I repeat, NO ONE would be arguing about this march if it was Stop the War Coalition organising it, yours, Craig's and Rob's only problems seem to be that it's "nasty Muslims" doing it.... Which, to me, is just hypocrisy.... I bet you supported Hunt Sabbing in the 80s and 90s didn't you....? So, why is that okay, but people marching against a war which has killed tens of thousands of innocent people considered "beyond the pale"...? The life of a fox more important than the life of 30-odd thousand Iraqis killed in two nights of "Shock and Awe" is it.....?

 

I dont particularly support Pro-Life groups, I think they're idiots frankly, but they DO have the right to protest outside Abortion Clinics so long as the protests are peaceful and non-violent, same with Animal Rights groups protesting outside labs..... In fact if it wasn't for these Animal Rights groups breaking into places like labs and abbatoirs and filming evidence of animal abuse and posting it online or sending it to the press, we'd never even get to know about these abuses....

 

Like it or not, this country has a long tradition of people taking Direct Action and Civil Disobedience... Long may it continue as far as I'm concerned.....

 

are you the real scott?.... or are you totally out of it?

 

the issue isnt about having this extremist group protest... its about WHERE they want to do it... wooton basset has become the countries greiving ground. this extremist , hatefull, people only want to do it there as a deliberate act of disrespect to our army, the army that is fighting to secure the freedom that those people are using!

 

even local muslim groups say its wrong and dont want it.

 

protest against the war? go to whitehall then..

are you the real scott?.... or are you totally out of it?

 

the issue isnt about having this extremist group protest... its about WHERE they want to do it... wooton basset has become the countries greiving ground. this extremist , hatefull, people only want to do it there as a deliberate act of disrespect to our army, the army that is fighting to secure the freedom that those people are using!

 

even local muslim groups say its wrong and dont want it.

 

protest against the war? go to whitehall then..

 

You realise they're not going to be spitting on these dead solders' coffins? And many anti-war people such as myself would argue that respect for innocent Afghanistani/Iraqi civilians who've been killed should take priority over the soldiers who've actually carried out the killing.

You realise they're not going to be spitting on these dead solders' coffins? And many anti-war people such as myself would argue that respect for innocent Afghanistani/Iraqi civilians who've been killed should take priority over the soldiers who've actually carried out the killing.

 

What a disgusting comment to make Danny, total disrespect to our dead heroes

 

Why should some dead Afghan be more important than a dead Briton ? a great patriot who signed up to defend his country over some guy in a cave with a towel over his head

 

The soldiers signed up to defend queen and country, they did not ask to go out to Iraq and Afghanistan they did so out of duty and because they were sent out there by politicians, what were they supposed to do if they didn't like being sent out there ? quit ? yeah smart move right in the middle of a credit crunch, the few that got jobs upon quitting would be security guards in a shopping centre the others would be on the dole, blame the politicians not the soldiers they are just doing their duty

What a disgusting comment to make Danny, total disrespect to our dead heroes

 

But what you fail to understand is that a lot of people don't actually view them as heroes, because they were contributing to an un-just cause. And whether or not they're "patriotic" is irrelevant.

I hope that is satire. :P

Partly. Although to descend from the native English with no other contributions to your gene-pool (be it Roman/German/French/whatever) you'd probably have some genetic defects in there :lol:

But what you fail to understand is that a lot of people don't actually view them as heroes, because they were contributing to an un-just cause. And whether or not they're "patriotic" is irrelevant.

 

The ordinary soldier on the ground didn't plan shock and awe it was Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz etc they just passed on direct orders to the colonels on the ground who told the soldiers to fire the missiles, I don't blame the soldiers one bit it is the politicians that are to blame, the military has a code of honour that you do not disobey an order, if the colonel gets a direct order from Rumsfeld then the private/sergeant who is ordered to fire a missile at a residential area isn't going to disobey

 

Should Bush/Blair/Rumsfeld etc be swinging from gallows for war crimes ? absolutely, the ordinary soldier on the ground is just following orders

 

 

And the soldiers that are being killed out in Afghanistan have largely been on peacekeeping patrols and training afghan police and military and being killed by roadside bombs and suicide bombs, very few if any have been killed in actual offensive duties it has purely been peacekeeping

What a disgusting comment to make Danny, total disrespect to our dead heroes

 

Why should some dead Afghan be more important than a dead Briton ? a great patriot who signed up to defend his country over some guy in a cave with a towel over his head

 

The soldiers signed up to defend queen and country, they did not ask to go out to Iraq and Afghanistan they did so out of duty and because they were sent out there by politicians, what were they supposed to do if they didn't like being sent out there ? quit ? yeah smart move right in the middle of a credit crunch, the few that got jobs upon quitting would be security guards in a shopping centre the others would be on the dole, blame the politicians not the soldiers they are just doing their duty

:mellow:

 

You do realise the majority of Afghans killed in the conflict have been civilians who have had nothing to do with the Taliban?

:mellow:

 

You do realise the majority of Afghans killed in the conflict have been civilians who have had nothing to do with the Taliban?

 

The majority of civillian deaths have happened at the hands of fellow Afghans, some guy killing 100 civilians in a suicide bomb at a market is not down to the British squaddies

 

Incidents of British soldiers killing civilians either accidently or deliberately are the large minority of civilian deaths

My issue with the march is 75% based on WHERE it will be held and the fact this will cause distress to the families of the dead soldiers and also its potential for riots, the other 25% based on the fact that giving this group a voice will likely radicalise more young muslims and lead to potentially more terrorism, this guy gets to hold a rally he will become the British Osama in the eyes of muslim radicals when really he belongs in a cell for spreading racial and homophobic hate

Surely cutting off the protest would make him more of a martyr given the publicity thus far?

are you the real scott?.... or are you totally out of it?

 

the issue isnt about having this extremist group protest... its about WHERE they want to do it... wooton basset has become the countries greiving ground. this extremist , hatefull, people only want to do it there as a deliberate act of disrespect to our army, the army that is fighting to secure the freedom that those people are using!

 

even local muslim groups say its wrong and dont want it.

 

protest against the war? go to whitehall then..

 

Spot on.

 

I agree about Scott, I really don't know what has happened to him because he is posting like a different person at the moment.

 

Maybe after surveillance he has been interned and replaced by an MI6 spook imposter posting on this site.

 

Because the real Scott is intelligent and would not be posting a whole lot of left wing political $h!t left right and fukkin' centre for the sake of it making himself look an idiot as this Grimly Fiendish is doing in Perspectives at the moment.