I have always hated thes kiss and tell stories. If she was sorry for Emma or for the kids she would have stop the relationship, not him, she would have said to Emma, not to The Sun and not sellling her story for a book. She is just hunting the money, she balckmailed Mark already, so , what for a quality of woman do you expect she is? I needed three years of ork to put apart that money she received only once from Mark.

 

At least Mark choosed the right woman to make children with :lol:

I 100% percent agree with this, and you can be sure if this trollop was the one mark married she would of those desperate wives who would want to be in the papers every day as mark owen's wife. Emma has been so dignified through out and has also kept out of the limelight and got on with her life as normal and im sure she will be trying her best to do the same through all this hell but the press will probbaly try and hound her as much as possible.

 

Marks mistress and all thise kiss and tells are pathetic, as aside from the money id love to know what they plan to tell their own kids for those who go on to have kids, oh by the way your mother is famous all over the country for being a slapper who sold her sexual trists to the papers to make money, also do they ever think how their own mothers feel when stories like this come out,im sure no mother or father wants their child in the papers for stories like this as they are degrading.

I 100% percent agree with this, and you can be sure if this trollop was the one mark married she would of those desperate wives who would want to be in the papers every day as mark owen's wife. Emma has been so dignified through out and has also kept out of the limelight and got on with her life as normal and im sure she will be trying her best to do the same through all this hell but the press will probbaly try and hound her as much as possible.

 

Marks mistress and all thise kiss and tells are pathetic, as aside from the money id love to know what they plan to tell their own kids for those who go on to have kids, oh by the way your mother is famous all over the country for being a slapper who sold her sexual trists to the papers to make money, also do they ever think how their own mothers feel when stories like this come out,im sure no mother or father wants their child in the papers for stories like this as they are degrading.

 

Mark's just as guilty in this as the woman. He only 'fessed up because he knew she was going to (and probably still is) go to the press. She still will of course ... but I doubt her pay-off will be as handsome as it would have been had Mark not got in there with his side first. Yes she knew he had a girlfriend (to become his wife) but I'm sure that Mark was more aware of it than her.

 

Anyway ... at least Mark knows how to pay the minimum ... Tiger had to pay millions to pay his bits on the side.

 

Norma

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

Well well Norma, he will pay enough, don't worry :rolleyes: .

 

But looking at the last article in Mirror should be for everyone here more clear why he come first to say the storyin his terms. The article in the Mirros apparently quotes Emma, and when you read actually is only "a friend has said", "a pal has said" and nothing directly said by Emma. I am pretty sure at this moment no one entering their house, no firend or pal would go to tell something to the Mirror.

 

And about telling only because he must: what is the problem of the public to knows this intim details. Do you feel better? Make from yourself a better person? I don't want to know it - i am not interested in it. I have my family and my friend to care for and thank you very much i have by far not the time to hear from all of them as much as i want. Why should a star makes mea culpa for the public? Did you buy the music or the image? Is Tiger Woods so good in his sport only because is he fidel to his wife? This pathetic excuse of the public hungry for the sadness of the other, for senzational stories, for dirty secrets makes me have a very low oppinion on the masses of people actually. But would you like for the press to search in your intim details, in your secrets and fears? To camp at your door? And don't come here with this is the price for being a celebrity. this is once again an excuse of the public who has nothing better to do and instead to live their lives and go for a walk in park with family stay watching TV and liveing the lifes of celebrity as if they would live much better. Yeah, great to have money and be well known. But this is devil present - it come always with fear not to do soemthing wrong, not to say a wrong word, not to fall down, not to be hated by the public, not to be fallowed on the street, not to be blackmailed, not to have your kids kidnaped. Should i go along? Why do you think the majority of celebrities broke down and a lot of them have secret addictions, nervous breakdown. bizzare acting?

 

Well well Norma, he will pay enough, don't worry :rolleyes: .

 

But looking at the last article in Mirror should be for everyone here more clear why he come first to say the storyin his terms. The article in the Mirros apparently quotes Emma, and when you read actually is only "a friend has said", "a pal has said" and nothing directly said by Emma. I am pretty sure at this moment no one entering their house, no firend or pal would go to tell something to the Mirror.

 

And about telling only because he must: what is the problem of the public to knows this intim details. Do you feel better? Make from yourself a better person? I don't want to know it - i am not interested in it. I have my family and my friend to care for and thank you very much i have by far not the time to hear from all of them as much as i want. Why should a star makes mea culpa for the public? Did you buy the music or the image? Is Tiger Woods so good in his sport only because is he fidel to his wife? This pathetic excuse of the public hungry for the sadness of the other, for senzational stories, for dirty secrets makes me have a very low oppinion on the masses of people actually. But would you like for the press to search in your intim details, in your secrets and fears? To camp at your door? And don't come here with this is the price for being a celebrity. this is once again an excuse of the public who has nothing better to do and instead to live their lives and go for a walk in park with family stay watching TV and liveing the lifes of celebrity as if they would live much better. Yeah, great to have money and be well known. But this is devil present - it come always with fear not to do soemthing wrong, not to say a wrong word, not to fall down, not to be hated by the public, not to be fallowed on the street, not to be blackmailed, not to have your kids kidnaped. Should i go along? Why do you think the majority of celebrities broke down and a lot of them have secret addictions, nervous breakdown. bizzare acting?

 

Like you ... there is too much more important stuff going on in the world for this trivial little matter to make the front pages (the same for Cheryl' story). I think once Mark had got his story out to the press he should have just left it at that ... no follow-ups like 'I'm now in rehab'. Besides ... I'm not convinced rehab works ... I do know what does help alcoholics ... Alcoholics Anonymous ... or is that too 'downmarket' for people of Mark's stature?

 

Norma

 

I don't think so, Norma. But at the moment i am more worried for his mental well being, so the drinking i think is an excuse to bring him somewhre where he can think and where he can be looked up. It is no easy to have depressions, here i don't look for an excuse for him, but i know about what i am speaking and how dangerous such a crisis moment could be.

 

Do you think at the moment he can go to the AA meetings without being fallowed by a great number of paparazzi?

I'm just very sceptical of Rehab! For me its just a fashion statement.

 

And back to the world in general ... and all matter of ailments ... I think the expressions 'depression' and 'bi-polar' are bandied about just a bit too much these days. I think doctors are too willing to hand out sick-notes these days saying people are bi-polar and suffering depression ... so much so that they can't work. Well bugger me ... but I have days that I feel really down, can't stand life in general, I think my life's the pits ... but I still have to bloody well go out to work.

 

Oh forget me ... I'm just in a generally bad mood with the world at the moment ... I must be bi-polar!

 

Norma

Our world makes us ill more as earlier. Our society emphasis on success, and either you have it but you have fear to lose it, or you haven't and then you are feeling like a looser. I must say that it happens to have in my antourage a lot of persons having to deal with fear crisis and with depressions. That is why i can tell you it is not a mode word, it is real . You are a strong person Norma, but not all are like you.

 

Honestly, i don't want to see Mark doing a Britney. It is the right moment now to go in rehab, he cannot live anyway a normal life now like going shopping , at work or taking his children out.

I'm just very sceptical of Rehab! For me its just a fashion statement.

 

And back to the world in general ... and all matter of ailments ... I think the expressions 'depression' and 'bi-polar' are bandied about just a bit too much these days. I think doctors are too willing to hand out sick-notes these days saying people are bi-polar and suffering depression ... so much so that they can't work. Well bugger me ... but I have days that I feel really down, can't stand life in general, I think my life's the pits ... but I still have to bloody well go out to work.

 

Oh forget me ... I'm just in a generally bad mood with the world at the moment ... I must be bi-polar!

 

Norma

 

I too think that rehab can be banded about willy nilly, but I have to take exception to your comments about depression and particularly bi-polar. Depression is just one symptom of being bi-polar, and it isn't even there a lot of the time. People with bi-polar also experience extreme highs. It's old name manic-depression was perhaps a bit more descriptive, except people didn't get the mania side of things either, and just thought it was another term for chronically depressed.

 

A lot of people do suffer from depression, and sometimes just getting on with things is enough to get you through it, but if it goes on for any length of time then it's likely to make things worse. Those people should be seeking help from family and friends, if not their GP.

 

I don't know that AA would be particularly effective either. Not everyone with a problem with alcohol is an alcoholic, and Mark turning up to a meeting probably would disrupt things for everyone else, especially at the minute. I rather think that the "drinking problem" is a symptom of the problem, not the cause, and he needs to work out what that is first.

 

Hopefully wherever he is he'll spend some time talking to people who are qualified in a broad range of subject, including alcohol dependency, and relationships. If they are good at what they do, they won't indulge him, but will make him focus on what is really important.

 

I also agree that his relationship with Emma is between them. Mark has done wrong and he needs to face that, and the bulk of my sympathy goes to his wife, but I still hope he's OK and won't hold it against him. There are countless non-famous men and women in a similar situation who aren't expected to account for themselves when they turn up to work.

Yes the rehab world is a funny one in my opinion as its where all the celebs go when there bubble bursts, how come us normal people have to keep going in life without rehab, rehab in a way to me comes accross as them buying their way back into the publics affection, but i dont know enough about it all either so i cant say alot.

 

I think Mark has realised he has done wrong or at least he is starting to realise how wrong he has done, maybe this will make him realise how much he does love emma and that he really starts to show appteciation and love to her that she deserves. If they do stay together and i hope they do i hope he realises how lucky he was to have got her and become more of a family man from the heart rather from the mouth.

Yeah, full on checking into "rehab" seems a bit extreme, but a few sessions with some kind of therapist isn't that big a deal. I think some counselling is something Mark will benefit from, but going to a residential establishment seems like more of a statement or even running away from seeing the fall-out. It suggests that he is committed to a change of behaviour, but it's what goes on behind the closed doors that count.

 

I have a friend who is a psychiatrist who did a stint working with people with addictions in a very poor part of the country. It was an out-patient, NHS funded thing and while a lot of the people he saw were at one point full on drug addicts with no chance of holding down a job, I hope that kind of service is available to functioning addicts, or people who fear they could be heading in that direction.

 

If Mark and Emma decide they are going to try to make things work, then a bit of relationship counselling might be a good idea, and Mark probably has a whole load of issues that he's never quite dealt with.

 

Part of me thinks that leaving Emma to look after the kids while he escapes to rehab is another avoidance tactic, but on the other hand, if he's realised he's done wrong, and is in a bad place and needs some help, he's right to seek it. It's gone beyond the point of trying to brush it under the carpet.

In one quaote in the papers it said mark stayed at a friends house the night emma kicked him out and he was smoking like a train, so the one thing he had managed to quit he re started again, looks like now he has drink, sex, drugs and smoking to conquer which im sure will be no mean feast.

I want to add just one thing before going away from this discussion. Like i said, i saw or i had some people in my vecinity on the verge. One of them didn't make it through. So i won't be kidding with such thing.

 

I don't know how is in UK, but alot of people in Germany don't go in clinic because they fear someone will found out (for a job in the public administration or as a teacher, apparently the administrations are allowed to ask you about or to go for information). Esp. for a man it is hard to be seen as "that one with psihic / drinking/ depression" problem. There is a lot of prejudice against it, a lot of fear you will not climb in your company, etc. So, a lot deny their problems, and carry with them for years, making himself and the family misserable. Some of them will lose on the way. Some of them will become stronger.

 

But at least they are not in the public eye like a celebrity is. Do you want for Mark to behave like Amy Winehouse or like Britney and then bring him into a clinic? Who want to find everything Mark does as a a run away or as a selfish thing was perhaps not in that point of disperation or has not seen someone being there. I much prefer to have now an intensive control and therapy over his problems. Letting his wife alone is also a better idea IMO - she need also time to think. It is not like Emma has not a loving family and friends to help her with the kids. And Mark has also to think at the kids. Do you think a judge would allow him now in the state he is the right to see and be alone with the kids?

 

Just because Mark did big mistakes against his wife doesn't mean he has no serious problems and that he has not to deal now with them. If not now when he is at the bottom , then when?

 

But it seems a lot of you thinks that only because Gary was more in the tabloids and because he wrote the book, he suffered the most and Mark only fancy himself to suffer, but oh, to be laughed at for years it is so easy to deal with, to be a looser also, to be not taken serious for a moment too. Yeah, Gary depression were serious, Mark's not just because he is a cheater. Cheater are not allowed to breathe anymore or to have problems last time i looked in the UK book of tabloids laws, after which the majority of poeple thinks.

 

Well, keep coming with your disgust and cynism against anything Mark tryes now to do - i won't try to stop you from now on with any arguments. It is always easier to think the worst about someone and to kick someone and laugh at him when is at the lowest. Now is the right moment, so let your frust against him :naughty: !

 

Perhaps the public can propose Polydor to take the new choosen Eurovision man instead of Mark in the band. That would make again a clean cut image to the band. Womanizer Howard, well is not his mistake to cheat, no, it is ok for him, so we can keep it further *patching Howard head*. He was not taking any moment a part from limelight from saint Gary anyway. *just being sarcastic here, but sorry, this double standards wents on my nerves . One of them cheated one wife and one girlfriend, both having his kids, and let both away. One cheated big time his girlfirend, he married her and apparently didn't cheat her since then and still wants to return to her. Wow, great difference! So lets forget Howard with easy and throw away everything to Mark, go along with it :lol: *

 

I want to add just one thing before going away from this discussion. Like i said, i saw or i had some people in my vecinity on the verge. One of them didn't make it through. So i won't be kidding with such thing.

 

I don't know how is in UK, but alot of people in Germany don't go in clinic because they fear someone will found out (for a job in the public administration or as a teacher, apparently the administrations are allowed to ask you about or to go for information). Esp. for a man it is hard to be seen as "that one with psihic / drinking/ depression" problem. There is a lot of prejudice against it, a lot of fear you will not climb in your company, etc. So, a lot deny their problems, and carry with them for years, making himself and the family misserable. Some of them will lose on the way. Some of them will become stronger.

 

But at least they are not in the public eye like a celebrity is. Do you want for Mark to behave like Amy Winehouse or like Britney and then bring him into a clinic? Who want to find everything Mark does as a a run away or as a selfish thing was perhaps not in that point of disperation or has not seen someone being there. I much prefer to have now an intensive control and therapy over his problems. Letting his wife alone is also a better idea IMO - she need also time to think. It is not like Emma has not a loving family and friends to help her with the kids. And Mark has also to think at the kids. Do you think a judge would allow him now in the state he is the right to see and be alone with the kids?

 

Just because Mark did big mistakes against his wife doesn't mean he has no serious problems and that he has not to deal now with them. If not now when he is at the bottom , then when?

 

But it seems a lot of you thinks that only because Gary was more in the tabloids and because he wrote the book, he suffered the most and Mark only fancy himself to suffer, but oh, to be laughed at for years it is so easy to deal with, to be a looser also, to be not taken serious for a moment too. Yeah, Gary depression were serious, Mark's not just because he is a cheater. Cheater are not allowed to breathe anymore or to have problems last time i looked in the UK book of tabloids laws, after which the majority of poeple thinks.

 

Well, keep coming with your disgust and cynism against anything Mark tryes now to do - i won't try to stop you from now on with any arguments. It is always easier to think the worst about someone and to kick someone and laugh at him when is at the lowest. Now is the right moment, so let your frust against him :naughty: !

 

Perhaps the public can propose Polydor to take the new choosen Eurovision man instead of Mark in the band. That would make again a clean cut image to the band. Womanizer Howard, well is not his mistake to cheat, no, it is ok for him, so we can keep it further *patching Howard head*. He was not taking any moment a part from limelight from saint Gary anyway. *just being sarcastic here, but sorry, this double standards wents on my nerves . One of them cheated one wife and one girlfriend, both having his kids, and let both away. One cheated big time his girlfirend, he married her and apparently didn't cheat her since then and still wants to return to her. Wow, great difference! So lets forget Howard with easy and throw away everything to Mark, go along with it :lol: *

 

I don't think that people are being harder on Howard than on Mark or letting Howard away with it at all. I think that people are just not suprised when it comes to Howard as he's done it before (with the Mother of his first daughter). That's my take on it anyway.

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by alfie1

I don't think that people are being harder on Howard than on Mark or letting Howard away with it at all. I think that people are just not suprised when it comes to Howard as he's done it before (with the Mother of his first daughter). That's my take on it anyway.

 

I agree with what you say Alfie! I think people generally guessed that Howard was a ladies man. Apart from Take That fans ... I honestly can't see that anyone gives a stuff about Mark's infidelity. They're only pop-stars ... it isn't important.

 

On another matter ... I don't know why Gary is being mentioned so much here either. This is a Mark-based thread ... Gary has nothing to do with this.

 

Norma

 

Edit here: I have to say though ... I bet a load of cheap and nasty Fleet Street hacks are at this very moment searching every move that Barlow has ever made ... digging for dirt. I don't think they'll find any from the moment he met Dawn.

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

I would agree about that Norma, i think Gary has been faithful to dawn and knows where his bread is buttered kinda thing.

 

I didnt know that howard done that to the mother of his first child i for some reason thought they just split up without affairs etc, so knowing that now its no surprise.

 

I was just thinking this day last week Emma was probably all looking forward to been showered with gifts etc for mothers day and not be saddled with the news she has got all week, im sure its been a horrible day for her but im sure its her kids that will mainly help emma through all this.

On another matter ... I don't know why Gary is being mentioned so much here either. This is a Mark-based thread ... Gary has nothing to do with this.

 

Norma

 

Well, you started the trend naming a thread after him and Robbie when the news was about Howard actually, who you even don't mention in your first post :teresa:

 

But like i said, talk about what you want here. I am a bit sensible when people are not taking serious someone problems with depression and addicitions, as if they would be something which would dissapear in no time, so i won't bother to come to disturb the water :teresa: .

Well, you started the trend naming a thread after him and Robbie when the news was about Howard actually, who you even don't mention in your first post :teresa:

 

But like i said, talk about what you want here. I am a bit sensible when people are not taking serious someone problems with depression and addicitions, as if they would be something which would dissapear in no time, so i won't bother to come to disturb the water :teresa: .

 

If this is a dig at my comments about depression then I stand by them 100% In this country there are too many doctors dishing out 'sick notes' for people who have depression ... when there are levels of depression. Some people think they're depressed just because they can't be arsed doing a day's work. I feel like that every bloody day but I still go out to work. If that makes me sound flippant about depression ... then so be it. Yes ... there are people who suffer severe depression but I'm sure there are a load of people claiming they can't work but are just plain shiftless!

 

 

 

Norma

I agree with that and funnily enough i go to college with a guy who is 30 years old has never worked a single day in his life, claims every single benefit going and says he suffers from depression, i know this guy 4 years now and there isnt one single sign of depression but he is is very lazy, he in my opinion has translated lthe word azy into depression as it sounds better, at college he hasnt a care in the world enjoys any college night out going, plays on the college football team and likes his weekends away and holidays, so how a doctor gives him his sick certs every month for depression annoys me as i know if i was that type of person myself i could go into my local gp tell him im depressed etc and get a sick note without hassle.

 

On the other hand my grandmother suffers severley from depression since a few deaths in the family occured and the final nail came when my grandfather died and after a few weeks she took an overdose, although she is learning slowly to cope with depression it has ruined the last 6 years of her life and at one stage she spent a full year in a psychiatric ward. There is times when she cant eat drink or sleep and it turns her life upside down.

 

Depression is a terrible illness and i genuinly feel for genuine sufferers but it annoys me when lazy people use depression as an excuse to claim tax payers hard earned money while they sit at home watching tv all day and earn more money than some people who work full time.

Mark Owen 'banned from seeing family'

Tuesday, March 16 2010, 18:16 GMT

 

By Catriona Wightman, Entertainment Reporter

 

 

WENN

Mark Owen has reportedly been banned from contacting his family while he is in rehab.

 

The Take That star checked into a clinic last week to beat an alcohol addiction after it emerged that he had cheated on his girlfriend with up to ten women before he got married.

 

The Daily Record says that Owen's wife Emma and his children, Elwood, 3, and Rose, 1, have been told that they are not allowed to see him. His mobile phone has also been confiscated.

 

"Mark is finding things very hard going," a source said. "On the one hand, he knows he has to sort his head out and not have any distractions. But he feels that his marriage is slipping away from him and he's desperate to talk to Emma and make things right."

 

Recent reports have suggested that Owen's wife will forgive him for the sake of their children.