well its easter, the time when religion turns to celebrate the 'risen christ' who supposed to have died for our sins. the supreme sacrifice?.... well it isnt really is it! 3 days being dead in a cave then being ressurected to live forever in heaven is a pretty light sentance! :lol: hardly a 'sacrifice' was it! lets face it, a REAL sacrifice would be for jesus to go to hell to pay for our sins! :lol:

 

i wish somebody somewhere can come up with something tangible and explain how all this works cos it sure as hell doesnt make any sense to me.

So did not see this coming... :heehee:

 

.. The thing I don't understand is this. He didn't really 'sacrifice' himself in the first place anyway. If he was sacrificing himself he would've walked into the Roman guards with open hands. Turns out he was betrayed, killed and came back to life a couple of days later. << Now where's the sacrifice in THAT?..

This forum comes across as a place to bash religion sometimes.

 

I'm not offended, but just calling it how it comes across. I know you're not really bashing it, but questioning it in a sarcastic nature... but really could anyone convince you on something like Christianity when a lot of it's foundation is having faith. I'm not saying questioning your religion is a bad thing, in fact I do it all the time... but I feel like me trying to explain my view in here about Christianity is just being posted so someone can shoot it down.

 

Not hating, but if you don't let people know how they sometimes come across then nothing can be done about it.

well its easter, the time when religion turns to celebrate the 'risen christ' who supposed to have died for our sins. the supreme sacrifice?.... well it isnt really is it! 3 days being dead in a cave then being ressurected to live forever in heaven is a pretty light sentance! :lol: hardly a 'sacrifice' was it! lets face it, a REAL sacrifice would be for jesus to go to hell to pay for our sins! :lol:

 

i wish somebody somewhere can come up with something tangible and explain how all this works cos it sure as hell doesnt make any sense to me.

Much as I sympathise, threads like these are just preaching to the converted and are pretty pointless when it comes to attempting to convert the faithful...

This forum comes across as a place to bash religion sometimes.

 

I'm not offended, but just calling it how it comes across. I know you're not really bashing it, but questioning it in a sarcastic nature... but really could anyone convince you on something like Christianity when a lot of it's foundation is having faith. I'm not saying questioning your religion is a bad thing, in fact I do it all the time... but I feel like me trying to explain my view in here about Christianity is just being posted so someone can shoot it down.

 

Not hating, but if you don't let people know how they sometimes come across then nothing can be done about it.

Ahh I'm just being assy because I personally don't believe any stories written in the Bible. I have understanding however of religious moral teachings, in fact some of them can be applied effectively within society (just simple things like stewardship, charity, etc.), and I'm always open to read/listen to a religious point of view. ;)

This forum comes across as a place to bash religion sometimes.

 

I'm not offended, but just calling it how it comes across. I know you're not really bashing it, but questioning it in a sarcastic nature... but really could anyone convince you on something like Christianity when a lot of it's foundation is having faith. I'm not saying questioning your religion is a bad thing, in fact I do it all the time... but I feel like me trying to explain my view in here about Christianity is just being posted so someone can shoot it down.

 

Not hating, but if you don't let people know how they sometimes come across then nothing can be done about it.

 

Agreed. People who rabidly try and "preach" Atheism and try and force their beliefs onto others are no better than the Christian/Muslim/whatever fanatics who try and indoctrinate others. Why can't it be a case of live and let live, and everyone respects everyone's personal beliefs?

Agreed. People who rabidly try and "preach" Atheism and try and force their beliefs onto others are no better than the Christian/Muslim/whatever fanatics who try and indoctrinate others. Why can't it be a case of live and let live, and everyone respects everyone's personal beliefs?

 

this forum is about debating perspectives, religion is the biggest entity in society so its claims are fair game for question/riddicule.

 

im interested in life, the meaning and reasons the human race exists and what our true purpose is. religion relies on blind faith, but the universe doesnt run on blind faith, it runs on scientific laws. so when religious groups claim to be 'the truth', i want proof of this, saying 'i have the right to believe wtf i want' doesnt make it the truth. i dont believe anyone can run their lifes safely on 'i believe therefore it is'.

Agreed. People who rabidly try and "preach" Atheism and try and force their beliefs onto others are no better than the Christian/Muslim/whatever fanatics who try and indoctrinate others. Why can't it be a case of live and let live, and everyone respects everyone's personal beliefs?

 

Well, if these religious types were to leave US alone..... But this is the trouble, they dont... Whether it be the fukkin' Jehovas Witnesses knocking on my door on a Saturday morning or the fukkin' Pope trying to tell me that Homosexuality, abortion and birth control is a sin all the while covering up for paedophiles withing their own church..... FUKK OFF AND DIE...... <_<

 

I dont, and never have, had a problem with people as individuals believing what they want to, whether it be God/Allah, Bhudda, Vishnu, Gaia, The Force, or the bloody Great Mystical Kangaroo.... The problem I have is with the hypocrisy of the organised faiths.....

surely the greatest question of them all is, 'what is my life all about? why am i hear?' ... and surely to answer that question you have to deal with impiracle facts that can be cross checked, measured, quantified, etc. so i personally take great offence at being told that religious people have the right to believe what they want to believe in is the truth. whilst yes anyone can believe what they want to, as long as they are open to the fact that it might not be 'the truth', and religions that promote their doctrine as 'the truth' based on nothing but 'belief' is utterly bonkers.

 

the universe doesnt run on belief, it runs/exists on the laws of nature, constants that can be discovered, measured, and quantified.

surely the greatest question of them all is, 'what is my life all about? why am i hear?' ... and surely to answer that question you have to deal with impiracle facts that can be cross checked, measured, quantified, etc.

 

I totally agree with that... It's like, "don't just expect me to take something on blind faith, back it up with something"... Of course when you ask The Vatican, etc to actually do this, then this is when they start with the "heretic" and "blasphemer" sh!t.... Or else they start comparing the criticism of their Church and its actions over the years with the deaths of millions in the Concentration Camps... I mean WHAT THE FUKK????? What planet are these dicks on.....? What an entirely OFFENSIVE comparison to make..... <_<