April 15, 201015 yr I watched it because I know nothing, and out of interest - couldn't agree more, I wanted Labour to win (purely because my family support him, so they've influenced me) but watching it gave me an opinion of my own, other than thinking Cameron was a smug git. My opinion of Cameron hasn't changed. But I'm now fully on Liberal Democrats side, Clegg was really convincing tonight, and came across as down to earth.
April 15, 201015 yr Brown's continual fawning of and slobbering over Clegg is nothing short of embarrassing. Totally unbecoming of a so called statesman. So obvious he is trying to get Clegg on side Embarrassing
April 15, 201015 yr Brown's continual fawning of and slobbering over Clegg is nothing short of embarrassing. Totally unbecoming of a so called statesman. So obvious he is trying to get Clegg on side Embarrassing In a thread of people who clearly already had their minds made up, you've come across as the most closed-minded of the lot. Well done. That for me was a big win for Clegg, although of the other two Brown was the one who looked like he came out with something to prove and Cameron was there to be got at. His mini-speeches were vague and directionless, he looked completely uncomfortable when anyone else was talking (especially compared to Clegg, the camera panning out showing the two of them when Brown was talking showed a lot) and he couldn't answer the PM's direct questions. Too wishy-washy for the hardline racists Tories, too right-wing for the mainstream, I may be biased but he's losing it. Also, my constituency (Altrincham and Sale West) is fairly comfortably Tory (Graham Brady is my MP and he's a surprisingly decent bloke) but judging by the Facebook updates tonight, two elections down the line could be a very different story. I'm not exaggerating when I say virtually everyone my age that I know who is interested in politics and knows their stuff favours Labour.
April 15, 201015 yr In a thread of people who clearly already had their minds made up, you've come across as the most closed-minded of the lot. Well done. That for me was a big win for Clegg, although of the other two Brown was the one who looked like he came out with something to prove and Cameron was there to be got at. His mini-speeches were vague and directionless, he looked completely uncomfortable when anyone else was talking (especially compared to Clegg, the camera panning out showing the two of them when Brown was talking showed a lot) and he couldn't answer the PM's direct questions. Too wishy-washy for the hardline racists Tories, too right-wing for the mainstream, I may be biased but he's losing it. Also, my constituency (Altrincham and Sale West) is fairly comfortably Tory (Graham Brady is my MP and he's a surprisingly decent bloke) but judging by the Facebook updates tonight, two elections down the line could be a very different story. I'm not exaggerating when I say virtually everyone my age that I know who is interested in politics and knows their stuff favours Labour. You damaged any valid points you made not that there really was any by implying because I am a right winger that I am a racist, that totally destroyed your credibility and the validity of your argument and demonstrated extreme levels of closed mindedness that not even I had displayed
April 15, 201015 yr You damaged any valid points you made not that there really was any by implying because I am a right winger that I am a racist, that totally destroyed your credibility and the validity of your argument and demonstrated extreme levels of closed mindedness that not even I had displayed The odd dig that goes close to the line never goes astray. Don't try and airbrush your policies the same way you airbrush your posters ;) And also, didn't you say if it wasn't for their idiotic leader you'd consider voting BNP?
April 15, 201015 yr The odd dig that goes close to the line never goes astray. Don't try and airbrush your policies the same way you airbrush your posters ;) And also, didn't you say if it wasn't for their idiotic leader you'd consider voting BNP? Griffin is vile but so is the general under current of the BNP, shoot him someone as bad would take over, the whole BNP leadership is full of former NF skinheads and so on. I will not deny that their policies are the closest to my own but that is only because the tory's have moved so far to the centre as opposed to any endorsement for the BNP, I am an unashamed Thatcherite. Also as someone of Jewish origin the BNP have a strong history of anti semitism which also rules out any possibility of the BNP ever getting my vote.
April 15, 201015 yr ITV's polls say it's a Clegg win Sky viewers gave Cameron a massive victory so it just varies from media organisation to media organisation
April 15, 201015 yr I thought Nick Clegg definitely came across the best. He just had a more natural approach. Cameron, on the other hand, came across too polished - as if he was reading his lines off a script - or like any great actor learnt his script from memory.
April 15, 201015 yr I thought Nick Clegg definitely came across the best. He just had a more natural approach. Cameron, on the other hand, came across too polished - as if he was reading his lines off a script - or like any great actor learnt his script from memory. Whatever style Cameron had it clearly worked In a poll of 10,000 Sky News viewers Cameron scored 53% Clegg 28% and Brown 19%, yes Clegg won smaller media organisation polls but Sky is the most credible result as it had the biggest sample size. I think the Tory lead will increase quite considerably in the coming days
April 15, 201015 yr YouGov are saying Clegg wins with 51% - which is FAR more neutral than the notoriosly right-wing Sky News. And rightly so - he was clearly the winner. And, even though Cameron probably did do better than Brown, the likely Lib Dem surge will still benefit Brown the most.
April 15, 201015 yr YouGov are saying Clegg wins with 51% - which is FAR more neutral than the notoriosly right-wing Sky News. And rightly so - he was clearly the winner. And, even though Cameron probably did do better than Brown, the likely Lib Dem surge will still benefit Brown the most. Everyone is a voter though so surely 10,000 Sky News viewers is a far more credible reflection than 1500 or however many from YouGov ? A vote is a vote at the end of the day
April 15, 201015 yr Everyone is a voter though so surely 10,000 Sky News viewers is a far more credible reflection than 1500 or however many from YouGov ? A vote is a vote at the end of the day It was only 1000 from YouGov, but it's still a REPRESENTATIVE sample, which the Sky News one isn't. Also, the ITV poll Silas mentioned is by ComRes with a representative sample size of 4000 - again, a proper polling company, not a vote carried out by a news station which attracts a certain type of viewer.
April 15, 201015 yr It was only 1000 from YouGov, but it's still a REPRESENTATIVE sample, which the Sky News one isn't. Also, the ITV poll Silas mentioned is by ComRes with a representative sample size of 4000 - again, a proper polling company, not a vote carried out by a news station which attracts a certain type of viewer. Is there any evidence though that SkyNews is a right wing station ? If you had said FoxNews I would agree but I have always found SkyNews pretty impartial politically and not in the pocket of one party
April 15, 201015 yr Is there any evidence though that SkyNews is a right wing station ? Rupert Murdoch. Btw, a poster in the Lounge is saying that it's actually Clegg who's leading the Sky News poll. ;)
April 15, 201015 yr Rupert Murdoch. Btw, a poster in the Lounge is saying that it's actually Clegg who's leading the Sky News poll. ;) Indeed :o :o When I checked my iPhone half hour or so ago it had on the SkyNews app as Cameron well ahead with over 50%, things must have changed over time
April 15, 201015 yr Reading this thread is PAINFUL. Clearly most of you are completely and utterly closed minded so what's the point of watching? My excuse is that I've been out on a work's meal. But here is my guess as to what happened which I could have posted yesterday. 1. Nick Clegg comes across the best, because he can promise pie in the sky ideals that wont get knocked down by the two main party Leaders because they know the election is likely to end in a minority Government requiring the Lib-Dems to join them in a coalition; and were instead too busy being prepared to knock their own rivals points down. 2. David Cameron consistantly gave great Blairite (= over polished/smarmy) soundbytes, that under specific probing he would not properly answer. On Crime & Immigration he came out the best. 3. Gordon Brown came across as tired, frequently stuttering over the same old (we've got the experience, we've got you into this mess, we'll get you out of this mess) rheotoric.
April 15, 201015 yr Indeed :o :o When I checked my iPhone half hour or so ago it had on the SkyNews app as Cameron well ahead with over 50%, things must have changed over time Well here are the results of a Sky News poll and Cameron did not win: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/..._Faster_Results
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