Presumably he means the Iron Man 2 soundtrack

 

forgot about that, was thinking Black Ice was their last album.

I disagree somewhat. AC/DC managed a #1 album earlier this year, and rock bands still make the highest grossing tours worldwide.

 

I was mainly referring to the singles chart- in the albums, yes, rock is still very much alive in the album chart and tours- its just the singles market that rock is struggling in

 

I know the Killers and Coldplay arent exactly true rock- but its certainly a kind of rock, just one thats very watered down and commercial

What I worry about is the future of rock music.

 

Sure, Metallica, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, The Rolling Stones, Judas Priest, The Who, Kiss etc. are all selling millions of albums and performing to sold-out venues all over the world.

 

But my question is - where are their successors? How many modern rock/metal acts can you really say will be talked about in the same breath as those legends in the future? I do believe that Avenged Sevenfold will go on to become the next Metallica, in terms of being the commercial leader of the metal genre (alongside perhaps Slipknot), and Muse are certainly flying the flag for rock, despite their recent dip in album quality with The Resistance. But other than that, who is really taking the genre into the next decade and beyond?

 

It's time to face facts - the legends won't be around for ever. Metallica and AC/DC are arguably the two most important rock/metal bands, but Metallica have got maybe another 10-15 years max, and I do believe Brian Johnson said Black Ice was the last ever AC/DC studio album? So where do they go from now?

 

There are some really good rock bands out there - I'm a real flag flyer for The Answer and Alter Bridge, those guys are incredible - but they're not getting the same breaks the legends did. It remains to be seen if they and many others ever will.

What I worry about is the future of rock music.

 

Sure, Metallica, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, The Rolling Stones, Judas Priest, The Who, Kiss etc. are all selling millions of albums and performing to sold-out venues all over the world.

 

But my question is - where are their successors? How many modern rock/metal acts can you really say will be talked about in the same breath as those legends in the future? I do believe that Avenged Sevenfold will go on to become the next Metallica, in terms of being the commercial leader of the metal genre (alongside perhaps Slipknot), and Muse are certainly flying the flag for rock, despite their recent dip in album quality with The Resistance. But other than that, who is really taking the genre into the next decade and beyond?

 

It's time to face facts - the legends won't be around for ever. Metallica and AC/DC are arguably the two most important rock/metal bands, but Metallica have got maybe another 10-15 years max, and I do believe Brian Johnson said Black Ice was the last ever AC/DC studio album? So where do they go from now?

 

There are some really good rock bands out there - I'm a real flag flyer for The Answer and Alter Bridge, those guys are incredible - but they're not getting the same breaks the legends did. It remains to be seen if they and many others ever will.

 

I think this is a bigger point, i can't imagine most rock/metal bands these days to get as big as Maiden or Metallica or AC/DC etc, but did back then people imagine in 2010 Metallica and AC/DC etc would be/still be doing stadium shows and selling million of albums.

 

I definatly think Muse are going to be that massive band always, and Foo Fighters aswell, but these are perhaps more commercial sounding than bands like Metallica and AC/DC.

 

I'm hoping and thinking that if Slipknot decide to continue they can be a massive act headlining festivals, although I can't imagine them selling out a stadium, I think they are arena size easily though.

 

And also i'm hoping and thinking Queens of the Stone Age will become one of the massive rock acts in years to come in the same vein Metallica and AC/DC are now, just because they are an incredible band, and can pull off massive shows (they really did put GnR to shame at Reading this year, they could easily pull off headlining), but I don't know if their fanbase could grow even more and at this current time they couldnt sell out a stadium (but probaly could arenas).

 

and then also thinking about it Them Crooked Vultures are definatly in the same vein music wise as bands as Led Zeppelin and AC/DC, if they continue they could be that big I guess, but they are a supergroup so it's sort of the same.

 

problem is with bands nowadays that do have the sound of these massive acts (AC/DC, Maiden, metallica etc) just dont pull off the sound, it's going to have to be a different more modern sound no one wants to hear second rate AC/DC's (*cough* Airbourne) so bands with that sound are never going to be anywhere near as big.

I definatly think Muse are going to be that massive band always, and Foo Fighters aswell, but these are perhaps more commercial sounding than bands like Metallica and AC/DC.

 

Sure AC/DC was labeled commercial sounding when Back in Black sold zillions of copies? I think your point of view sums up what this generation thinks about rock though.

 

Probably the next generation will think of Muse and Foo Fighters when defining the rock of 00s/10s like we think about AC/DC, GnR and Metallica now.

 

But one question to think of..Where are all big rock ballads? The songs that made Aerosmith, GnR and Metallica household names (Don't Cry, Cryin', November Rain, Nothing Else Matters, The Unforgiven). I miss those ballads that were, and still are, bigger than life. Those kind of songs would make Muse & Foos even more accessible and everyone would be interested in them in some way. Although not so "rock" they'd revive the genre a bit. Kings of Leon did their part with Use Somebody and look, that was a Top 5 hit in the US.

But one question to think of..Where are all big rock ballads?

Sure AC/DC was labeled commercial sounding when Back in Black sold zillions of copies? I think your point of view sums up what this generation thinks about rock though.

 

Probably the next generation will think of Muse and Foo Fighters when defining the rock of 00s/10s like we think about AC/DC, GnR and Metallica now.

 

But one question to think of..Where are all big rock ballads? The songs that made Aerosmith, GnR and Metallica household names (Don't Cry, Cryin', November Rain, Nothing Else Matters, The Unforgiven). I miss those ballads that were, and still are, bigger than life. Those kind of songs would make Muse & Foos even more accessible and everyone would be interested in them in some way. Although not so "rock" they'd revive the genre a bit. Kings of Leon did their part with Use Somebody and look, that was a Top 5 hit in the US.

 

yeah, what i was getting at is who will we look back to as the massive bands like we do Metallica and AC/DC now, but rock has developed and has different style, im hoping Queens of the Stone Age (best pure rock band of today imo) will be another who we will look back on.

 

I think big rock ballads isnt the style anymore (which is partly what im trying to get at), but Muse do have some really epic massive songs that really work in a stadium setting.

Muse are basically owning stadium rock atm while Dave Grohl is doing other things, who'd have thought fifteen years ago that a band with such blatant prog influences would be doing so? Of other acts that are "credible" to a heavier audience, it is looking a bit dry. Both Avenged Sevenfold and Bullet For My Valentine have potential (possibly the new Metallica and Maiden respectively, so that's the biggest metal acts covered) but it's the gentler, more commercial side that's benefiting now. With the exception of Oasis and Blur, no band within the last 20 or even 25 years has managed the combination of hit singles/million-selling albums/massive tours like Kings of Leon, Coldplay and The Killers are doing. Radiohead are very much still strong as well.

Muse are basically owning stadium rock atm while Dave Grohl is doing other things, who'd have thought fifteen years ago that a band with such blatant prog influences would be doing so? Of other acts that are "credible" to a heavier audience, it is looking a bit dry. Both Avenged Sevenfold and Bullet For My Valentine have potential (possibly the new Metallica and Maiden respectively, so that's the biggest metal acts covered) but it's the gentler, more commercial side that's benefiting now. With the exception of Oasis and Blur, no band within the last 20 or even 25 years has managed the combination of hit singles/million-selling albums/massive tours like Kings of Leon, Coldplay and The Killers are doing. Radiohead are very much still strong as well.

 

AX7 are more like G'N'R than Metallica. Trivium are like Metallica and could well still breakout. If you have asked me 15 years ago if a band that was heavily influenced by Queen would be big one day I wouldn't have questioned it as it would have seemed an obvious gap in the market developing.

And if you going to include Kings Of Leon, Coldplay(!) and The Killers as Rock than you have to include U2, Green Day, My Chemical Romance and Bon Jovi and all 4 have been ticking all those boxes.

 

 

Also I think you'll find that it's only the UK were Rock isn't thriving right now. The scene is of course still massive in the US, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Japan Norway etc.

People also over estimate the char success of the big bands of the 80s/90s.

Take a look at the following major Rock acts pre 2005

Metallica - only four top 10 singles, 1 #1 album and a heap of so so top 40 hits

Motorhead - 3 top 10 singles, 1 #1 album and loads of minor hits

AC/DC - No top 10 hits, 1 #1 album. More chart singles than any other band

Def Leppard - 3 top 10 hits, 2 #1 albums. loads of minor hits

Black Sabbath -- 1 top 10 hit, 1 #1 album, a handful of minor hits

Aerosmith - 1 top 10 hit, no #1 albums, loads of minor hits

 

 

I could go on but you get the point. Iron Maiden and Led Zeppelin are pretty much the only band to buck the trend of having lots of minor hits, the odd big one and maybe a #1 album yet all of the above are Rock legends. You can easily add in Deep Purple, Whitesnake,Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Linkin Park, Nirvana, Faith No More etc etc.

 

 

Rock is as healthy as it's ever been and all the better for not caring about chart success like they did when Motley Crue, Poison, Warrant, Little Angels, Bon Jovi et al came about

Edited September 21, 201014 yr by Severin

Metallica are still absolutely massive though, whenever they actually get round to releasing new material. Death Magnetic was the fifth highest selling album of 2008, and they've had five consectutive No. 1 albums on the Billboard 200. I remember reading as well that only The Beatles have sold a larger back catalogue than them this decade, and that's some achievement!

 

Iron Maiden have basically survived on the back of an extremely loyal and ever-expanding fanbase. It's hard to believe they got a track like 'Bring Your Daughter...To The Slaughter!' to No. 1, and their last single ('Different World' from A Matter Of Life And Death - their new album had no official single) got to No. 3 in the charts with absolutely zero promotion.

Green day seem to think they were punk

Green day seem to think they were punk

Green Day are NOT Punk. They are a watered down, commercialised version of it both musicaly and idealogically.

This is Punk

 

 

 

 

 

And this is Green Day. Spot the difference?

 

 

 

Yay I agree. Green Day have gone a little too mainstream since they have recognised. Still like them though.

I do think there's been a misconception about Green Day, they were never a "punk" band as such. They started out making pop-punk (NOT the same thing as "punk") and the only difference between supposed sell-out record "Dookie" and the two that came before it is that it's better written and produced, the hooks were always there in the very early days. Case in point:

 

 

When "American Idiot" came out, the mainstream stopped calling them "pop-punk" and instead used the term "punk rock" because the sound was more beefed up, and owed more to The Clash than the Ramones. Trouble is, "punk rock" the noun is basically interchangeable with the adjective "punk" so all the purists who complained at them watering down the punk sound in the '90s crawled out of the woodwork again over a term that wasn't really the best description anyway. Those videos show that obviously their sound is pretty damn different to what the same people would call "proper punk" and yes it IS streamlined for the mainstream, easier on the ear for the masses, bringing a form of the punk ethic to the mainstream and making it POPULAR, hence the term POP-PUNK.

 

 

trouble is, Green Day were more punk before American Idiot, they became less punk with that album. they were never punk anyway i dont know why the term is used in conjunction with the band.

trouble is, Green Day were more punk before American Idiot, they became less punk with that album. they were never punk anyway i dont know why the term is used in conjunction with the band.

 

For the reasons I stated above? I'm not saying I agree with the term but that's why they're called it.

Lyrically and in terms of image Green Day were never punk, but musically the heavy emphasis on major power chord progressions and general lack of virtuosity is often associated with punk.

rock has had its time , rock bands of today arnt real coldplay ? good group but not proper rock n roll

 

the who , led zep , the stones

 

oasis and the chilli peppers where the last of the rock bands in my opinion

rock has had its time , rock bands of today arnt real coldplay ? good group but not proper rock n roll

 

the who , led zep , the stones

 

oasis and the chilli peppers where the last of the rock bands in my opinion

 

so are you saying Queens of the Stone Age are not a rock band?

rock has had its time , rock bands of today arnt real coldplay ? good group but not proper rock n roll

 

the who , led zep , the stones

 

oasis and the chilli peppers where the last of the rock bands in my opinion

 

This is a popularly held opinion but it's not really based on fact. Rock hasn't stopped producing great bands - it's just stopped selling them.

 

It's a lot harder for a new rock band today to break through than it was in the 70s, 80s, early 90s and very early 00s.

Edited October 18, 201014 yr by ags_rule