September 25, 201014 yr I am not talking finances or class I am talking about people with moderate political views be it a dustman or a dentist, makes no difference, what I mean by centrist is people with moderate political views that are neither left wing or right wing regardless of class or income It's rare to find many people on 21K who are right-wing on the economy.
September 25, 201014 yr It's rare to find many people on 21K who are right-wing on the economy. I know a number of people who are on much much more than that but still vote/voted labour, I would say far more people are right wing on things like immigration than they are the economy The estimated 6m floating voters are what decide elections tbh, I would vote for a chimp if it had a blue rosette likewise you would if it had a red one but we are the hardcores, most people don't give a stuff about politics and it is them that decide elections
September 25, 201014 yr If Ed M wins the Daily Wail with their usual disregard for the truth will portray him as one of the most left-wing leaders of a mainstream European political party in history. Ed M's team know that and should have already prepared a strategy to counter it, starting with his leader's speech next week.
September 25, 201014 yr I know a number of people who are on much much more than that but still vote/voted labour, I would say far more people are right wing on things like immigration than they are the economy The estimated 6m floating voters are what decide elections tbh, I would vote for a chimp if it had a blue rosette likewise you would if it had a red one but we are the hardcores, most people don't give a stuff about politics and it is them that decide elections No, it's the uncommitted voters in a limited number of constituencies who decide elections. In most constituencies a substantial number of people can change their vote without making any difference to the outcome. Approximately half of all constituencies haven't changed hands since 1970.
September 25, 201014 yr No, it's the uncommitted voters in a limited number of constituencies who decide elections. In most constituencies a substantial number of people can change their vote without making any difference to the outcome. Approximately half of all constituencies haven't changed hands since 1970. Exactly which is why Ashcroft targeted the marginals in the last election, where I live if Osama Bin Laden stood as the conservative candidate he would get in with a 15,000+ majority, people with moderate views make no difference in my area but there are millions of people in this country who don't know who they are going to vote for till polling day and they are to me the centrists, those with views that neither fit in with the tories or labour but have to vote for one or the other
September 25, 201014 yr Exactly which is why Ashcroft targeted the marginals in the last election, where I live if Osama Bin Laden stood as the conservative candidate he would get in with a 15,000+ majority, people with moderate views make no difference in my area but there are millions of people in this country who don't know who they are going to vote for till polling day and they are to me the centrists, those with views that neither fit in with the tories or labour but have to vote for one or the other No they don't. Every constituency had at least three candidates at the last election. Most had more.
September 25, 201014 yr Something that does intrigue me - now the Lib Dems have power (on paper at least), will a vote for them still be seen as wasted?
September 25, 201014 yr No they don't. Every constituency had at least three candidates at the last election. Most had more. Yeah but the perception rightly or wrongly of the Lib Dems is that of a "wasted vote", am not saying it is a fair perception but people I asked at election time who I mix with within work most said that lib dems was a wasted vote
September 25, 201014 yr Yeah but the perception rightly or wrongly of the Lib Dems is that of a "wasted vote", am not saying it is a fair perception but people I asked at election time who I mix with within work most said that lib dems was a wasted vote Indeed - hence my wonder over whether that will still continue? Although I doubt it'll be as much of an issue at the next election now the Lib Dems have announced themselves to be unelectable to left-wingers.
September 25, 201014 yr Yeah but the perception rightly or wrongly of the Lib Dems is that of a "wasted vote", am not saying it is a fair perception but people I asked at election time who I mix with within work most said that lib dems was a wasted vote In recent elections only 2/3rds of voters have voted Labour or Tory. The two-party system died long ago even if some people still can't smell the rotting corpse.
September 25, 201014 yr http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1BpyQl89uPs/TFi98NqSlyI/AAAAAAAABPA/3WuhcFeMP88/s1600/warrior-forum-moderator1.jpeg Reminds me of David Miliband
September 25, 201014 yr Ed only won thanks to the unions David got the most of the members and the mp's but the unions won it for Ed The media are gonna love that come election time
September 25, 201014 yr Labour, the party that ignores the wishes of its members and is in the pocket of the unions :)
September 25, 201014 yr Terrific news for the Conservatives, a decade of Conservative rule is now assured. :cool: :yahoo:
September 25, 201014 yr Labour, the party that ignores the wishes of its members and is in the pocket of the unions :) :zzz:
September 25, 201014 yr :zzz: It is true, labour party members wanted David as leader but instead they have Ed forced on them by the likes of Bob Crow Blair used to use "Thing's Will Only Get Better" as a theme, Ed will be best using "Puppet On A String" as that is what he will be for the unions
September 25, 201014 yr It is true, labour party members wanted David as leader but instead they have Ed forced on them by the likes of Bob Crow Blair used to use "Thing's Will Only Get Better" as a theme, Ed will be best using "Puppet On A String" as that is what he will be for the unions You seem to have missed the fact that it is the union members who choose to pay the political levy who now get the vote, not the leaders. Of course, that's a subtlety that will also be lost on the press as they don't seem to think they have any duty to inform their readers and report accurately.
September 25, 201014 yr You seem to have missed the fact that it is the union members who choose to pay the political levy who now get the vote, not the leaders. Of course, that's a subtlety that will also be lost on the press as they don't seem to think they have any duty to inform their readers and report accurately. Yeah but suppose the RMT escalate their strike action or the GMB down tools or Unite cause national chaos how will Ed be able to condemn them ? when services have ground to a halt and the country is baying for the blood of the unions Ed will have his hands tied as he will be unable to bite the hand that feeds This has handed power back to the tories for a generation
September 25, 201014 yr Yeah but suppose the RMT escalate their strike action or the GMB down tools or Unite cause national chaos how will Ed be able to condemn them ? when services have ground to a halt and the country is baying for the blood of the unions Ed will have his hands tied as he will be unable to bite the hand that feeds This has handed power back to the tories for a generation He'll be able to condemn them very easily. Only the MPs can sack him.
September 25, 201014 yr This has handed power back to the tories for a generation I'm sorry but seriously if they couldn't win the last election how are they going to win the next? Considering their popularity is on the decline even before the cuts come in what is going to help them actually win it next time? If we end up like Ireland or similar after the cuts why would people want to keep the Tories? Especially as many people voted Tory just to get Labour out. The Tories will have to get MORE votes to have any chance next time and I don't believe that has any chance of happening.
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