He'll be able to condemn them very easily. Only the MPs can sack him.

 

He won't though

 

It is back to the old days of the dinosaur union barons calling the shots at Labour and the media being reunited with their bogeymen to attack

 

For sure the next election has been won by Cameron now

 

I can also see many members leaving Labour as they feel they are ignored and not listened to

 

Just hope no chandaliers crash to the ground at Downing St tonight after being hit by champagne corks

 

 

I'm sorry but seriously if they couldn't win the last election how are they going to win the next? Considering their popularity is on the decline even before the cuts come in what is going to help them actually win it next time?

 

If we end up like Ireland or similar after the cuts why would people want to keep the Tories? Especially as many people voted Tory just to get Labour out. The Tories will have to get MORE votes to have any chance next time and I don't believe that has any chance of happening.

 

The media will attack and attack and attack labour and show pictures of Scargill and the other union barons from the past and imprint on peoples minds that the unions are back in charge of the Labour party, it will be a drip drip effect and labour will pay the price heavily at the next election

The media will attack and attack and attack labour and show pictures of Scargill and the other union barons from the past and imprint on peoples minds that the unions are back in charge of the Labour party, it will be a drip drip effect and labour will pay the price heavily at the next election

Your complete lack of support for a healthy democracy is both boring and depressing. You have no problem with one tax-dodging individual buying the last election - although I suspect you might have thought differently if it was the Labour Party that won that way. Now you show that you don't care how many lies and distortions the press print as long as it favours the Tories. No doubt you'd be perfectly happy if the Wail in Sunday gave an account of Ed Miliband's day which opened by saying he enjoyed a hearty breakfast of a couple babies washed down with a couple glasses of human blood stolen from the blood donor service.

Your complete lack of support for a healthy democracy is both boring and depressing. You have no problem with one tax-dodging individual buying the last election - although I suspect you might have thought differently if it was the Labour Party that won that way. Now you show that you don't care how many lies and distortions the press print as long as it favours the Tories. No doubt you'd be perfectly happy if the Wail in Sunday gave an account of Ed Miliband's day which opened by saying he enjoyed a hearty breakfast of a couple babies washed down with a couple glasses of human blood stolen from the blood donor service.

 

I want to see a Tory victory by any legal means necessary, I do not approve of fraud or vote rigging or anything but all the things you listed (press demonisation of Labour, Lord Ashcroft etc) are totally legal and no different to what goes on in any other country

 

 

 

 

Your complete lack of support for a healthy democracy is both boring and depressing. You have no problem with one tax-dodging individual buying the last election - although I suspect you might have thought differently if it was the Labour Party that won that way. Now you show that you don't care how many lies and distortions the press print as long as it favours the Tories. No doubt you'd be perfectly happy if the Wail in Sunday gave an account of Ed Miliband's day which opened by saying he enjoyed a hearty breakfast of a couple babies washed down with a couple glasses of human blood stolen from the blood donor service.

 

It sounds like the Mail are going soft on their journalism again.

 

 

Ed's victory is tbh as legitimate as Mugabe's in Zimbabwe, here we have the union brothers effectively blackmailing their members into voting for Ed in one case and using heavy influence in the other case

 

Robert Mugabe would be proud

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11316855

 

But his real coup was to secure the backing of three of the four Britain's biggest trade unions - GMB, Unison and Unite.

 

The latter was a bitter blow to his former Treasury colleague and leadership rival Ed Balls, who had been banking on Unite's support.

 

Unite was even accused of breaking the rules of the contest by including a leaflet pledging its support for Ed Miliband along with the ballot papers for the contest it sent to its 950,000 members eligible to vote.

 

"He understands the Labour Party needs to change and he is the best candidate to reconnect Labour with the concerns of ordinary working people," Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley, Unite's joint general secretaries, say in the leaflet.

 

GMB leader Paul Kenny threatened to withdraw funding from the Labour Party if Ed Miliband did not win, amid talk of a union plot to prevent David Miliband, seen as the more Blairite of the two, and therefore committed to public service reform, from taking the leadership.

 

 

I want to see a Tory victory by any legal means necessary, I do not approve of fraud or vote rigging or anything but all the things you listed (press demonisation of Labour, Lord Ashcroft etc) are totally legal and no different to what goes on in any other country

Some of us obviously have higher standards.

Some of us obviously have higher standards.

 

I clearly have way higher standards than the Labour party who have a leader imposed on them that the members and MP's didn't want

None of that was news during the election and I said I was uncomfortable with it at the time. Union members can still go against the wishes of their union if they so wish, it IS a private vote and it IS union members! (Not the likes of Bob Crow casting a massive vote for the RMT)

 

175 thousand OVERALL voted for Ed Miliband. 145 thousand OVERALL voted for David Miliband. These are union members who may or may not be members of the Labour Party but support its aims (I know loads of Labour supporters who are in unions who never bothered joining the Labour Party as their union was already affiliated) - it's a victory that looks dodgy, I'll grant, and leaves him susceptible to attacks from the right-wing rags (oh, as if he wasn't going to get those by the bucketload anyway!) but not necessarily one that leaves him 'in the pocket of the unions' or whatever ridiculous crap Craig's decided to come out with this time.

I clearly have way higher standards than the Labour party who have a leader imposed on them that the members and MP's didn't want

If anything I'd object to the MPs having their votes count for more than the average member. I'd have one member, one vote, scrap all the constituencies - then we would have had a lot of union members who never joined the Labour Party as they got a say anyway do so, and with a margin of 30,000 votes I have no doubt that Ed probably would've won anyway!

Terrific news for the Conservatives, a decade of Conservative rule is now assured. :cool: :yahoo:

Frankly I'd have been shocked if you'd said anything else even if David Miliband had been elected. You can run back to the Daily Telegraph comments section now.

I clearly have way higher standards than the Labour party who have a leader imposed on them that the members and MP's didn't want

The Lib Dems (and their predecessor parties) elected their leaders by a vote of the membership in the 1970s, Labour opened it up beyond MPs in the 1980s and the Tories in the 1990s (although the first election by the membership wasn't until 2001). Indeed the Tories didn't have an election of any sort until the 1960s.

http://www2.labour.org.uk/votes-by-round makes for VERY interesting reading! Especially when coupled with http://www2.labour.org.uk/leadership-affiliates - affiliate turn-out was that low and it still led to a turn-out higher than the actual member vote!

I'm a bit unsure about what to make of this result, I had David as my first preference - as I genuinely think he's a better politician, but I wouldn't put it past Ed winning the next election.

Excellent result! Ed definitely has what it takes to win the next election, for sure. Unlike David, I'm confident Ed has the ability to know what mainstream Britain REALLY wants (much higher taxes on the rich/big businesses/bankers), rather than being trapped in the New Labour triangulations of what so-called "middle England" want.

 

Although I was far from impressed with the conduct of David during the campaign, I'm happy he's been classy in defeat. Hopefully his reaction signals he'll take a place in the shadow cabinet in order to unite the party, rather than going off in a huff like was suggested.

Excellent result! Ed definitely has what it takes to win the next election, for sure. Unlike David, I'm confident Ed has the ability to know what mainstream Britain REALLY wants (much higher taxes on the rich/big businesses/bankers), rather than being trapped in the New Labour triangulations of what so-called "middle England" want.

 

Although I was far from impressed with the conduct of David during the campaign, I'm happy he's been classy in defeat. Hopefully his reaction signals he'll take a place in the shadow cabinet in order to unite the party, rather than going off in a huff like was suggested.

 

I wonder what the answers of "mainstream Britain" would be to the question "who will replace the rich/big businesses/bankers when they have all left the country to go to nations with lower tax"

For sure the next election has been won by Cameron now

 

Just hope no chandaliers crash to the ground at Downing St tonight after being hit by champagne corks

 

I think these exact words would have appeared on the forum no matter who won. As for your claim that Ed winning is akin to Mugabe, as someone else pointed out he scored 30k more votes than David, David would have only won because of the huge number of MPs backing him in effect.

Terrific news for the Conservatives, a decade of Conservative rule is now assured. :cool: :yahoo:

 

You'll be lucky to get half that tbh. It amuses me that the Tories had such a go at Brown for legitimately holding onto limited power for a matter of days when we could face Cameron being in charge of a country where only a third of the people want him there for what, four years?

I think these exact words would have appeared on the forum no matter who won. As for your claim that Ed winning is akin to Mugabe, as someone else pointed out he scored 30k more votes than David, David would have only won because of the huge number of MPs backing him in effect.

 

But a lot of those were union members who are not members of the Labour party, union members are probably a mixture of all 3 parties so why should a tory or a lib dem get a vote in deciding who becomes Labour leader ?

 

If 30,000 more MEMBERS had voted for Ed then that is fine

 

I am delighted at the result, best possible result for the tories bar Diane Abbott winning the leadership so I have no complaints about the result but the system labour have is retarded

You'll be lucky to get half that tbh. It amuses me that the Tories had such a go at Brown for legitimately holding onto limited power for a matter of days when we could face Cameron being in charge of a country where only a third of the people want him there for what, four years?

 

Cameron will 100% get in again, this time without the need for the Lib Dems, come the next election the economy will be growing again, tax cuts will be given to the middle classes, the debt will be almost non existent, the tabloids will destroy Ed

 

I think Cameron will get in with a majority of about 70