Israel should take over the West Bank and Gaza Strip and expel all "Palestinians" from the region, let them fukk off to Egypt and to Jordan they are a threat to the safety of Israel and live on what I maintain is Israeli soil. Tanks should move in and repatriate the Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan and reclam the soil that morally belongs to Israel.

Morally belongs to Israel by what right? The fact that they claim it? :manson: The ONLY land that belongs to Israel by any right whatsoever is land within the 1967 borders.

OK, so here ends the argument. You agree with expansionism beyond UN agreed borders. I don't. Perhaps Italy should demand the Roman Empire back.

 

Agreed... What an absolutely contemptible post from Craig....

 

But then, as he's shown to us all in the past, he's a Zionist bigot who wants to exterminate the Palestinians....

 

FULL TRUTH by the way, he got a temporary ban for his vile views......

 

OK, so here ends the argument. You agree with expansionism beyond UN agreed borders. I don't. Perhaps Italy should demand the Roman Empire back.

 

Are parts of the former Roman empire firing rockets almost daily into Italian towns and cities ?

 

Did former Roman empire territory citizens go into Rome and blow up buses full of women and kids ?

 

Did any ex Roman empire territory elect by a 80%+ majority a terrorist group with a long history of mass murder,hijackings and bombings ?

 

Do any former Roman empire territories have in their education system that Italians are pigs and dogs ?

 

You are comparing apples with oranges mate

Are parts of the former Roman empire firing rockets almost daily into Italian towns and cities ?

 

Did former Roman empire territory citizens go into Rome and blow up buses full of women and kids ?

 

Did any ex Roman empire territory elect by a 80%+ majority a terrorist group with a long history of mass murder,hijackings and bombings ?

 

Do any former Roman empire territories have in their education system that Italians are pigs and dogs ?

 

You are comparing apples with oranges mate

 

Well, no, actually he's making a point that the Zionists stealing land off the Palestinians is a bit like the Romans asking for Britain or Gaul back thousands of years after buggering off with their tails between their legs... Ie, the Israelis left their "promised land" and just thought they could chuck people off their land when they decided they wanted it back after all, and they played that Holocaust card so the rest of the world would feel sorry for them and not intervene in their little act of "ethnic cleansing" upon the Palestinians just after the war.....

 

So, they really thought they could just go in and ethnically cleanse people and assume that the Palestinians, Egyptians, Persians, etc should just somehow be happy about it and welcome them with open arms....???? You have gotta be sh!tting me... I suppose the Indians should have been similarly grateful for having their culture and industries destroyed by the British Imperialists, and the African slaves should have been grateful for being put in chains and carted off half-way around the world and forced to work on cotton fields and plantations..... Prat..... <_<

 

Did any ex Roman empire territory elect by a 80%+ majority a terrorist group with a long history of mass murder,hijackings and bombings ?

Nothing Israel didn't already cover by electing Ariel Sharon, who was responsible for the Sabra & Shatila massacres and had an independent Israeli commission recommend his resignation from public office...only to get elected as President two decades later.

 

Again, none of these attacks would occur if Israel returned to the 1967 borders and stopped blockading aid and food to the Gazans. After getting elected Hamas even (along with the terms I mentioned earlier) offered to recognise Israel's right to exist FFS! :manson:

Nothing Israel didn't already cover by electing Ariel Sharon, who was responsible for the Sabra & Shatila massacres and had an independent Israeli commission recommend his resignation from public office...only to get elected as President two decades later.

 

Again, none of these attacks would occur if Israel returned to the 1967 borders and stopped blockading aid and food to the Gazans. After getting elected Hamas even (along with the terms I mentioned earlier) offered to recognise Israel's right to exist FFS! :manson:

 

Sharon was a traitor, he sold out years later with his disgraceful treatment of settlers and his demolition of Israeli settlements in the region

 

His stroke that incapacitated him was karma from god for betraying Israel the way he did along with that other traitor Rabin

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Sharon was a traitor, he sold out years later with his disgraceful treatment of settlers and his demolition of Israeli settlements in the region

 

His stroke that incapacitated him was karma from god for betraying Israel the way he did

 

Oh, yeah, okay, like those "settlers" should even have been there in the first place any more than the fukkin' Romans should have been in France, or the British should have been in India or Africa....

 

I repeat, you cant expect for "your" land to be returned to you after you give it up.... You bloody Zionists never even attempted to integrate with the locals... You had this bloody minded belief that it was just yours for the taking and that the locals should be grateful for it.... Fukk off...

Sharon was a traitor, he sold out years later with his disgraceful treatment of settlers and his demolition of Israeli settlements in the region

 

His stroke that incapacitated him was karma from god for betraying Israel the way he did along with that other traitor Rabin

Er, the settlers had NO RIGHT TO BE THERE. Can you state ANY right they should've had other than the ludicrously laughable 'GOD GAVE IT TO US'? :manson: The ONLY land Israel has a right to is that within the 1967 borders.

Israel have really gone around the bend. They had no right to attack those people. Those aid workers used those metal bars to protect themselves. Very disappointed with Israel. -_-

It is not Palestinian territory though, they were handed it in a carve up but Palestine was given to the jews by god thousands of years ago and Palestinian soil includes sacred jewish areas such as Bethlehem and the place where jesus was born, I am not religious myself but it is jewish territory

 

*dead*

 

 

Palestine is a terrorist state that elected a terrorist group to represent them (Hamas), if the Palestinians wanted peace they should not have elected terrorists as leaders

 

So, if one of your family members was killed in an attack in Britain by Islamic extremists, would you say it was justified, because we as a country re-elected Tony Blair after the Iraq war began?

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Er, the settlers had NO RIGHT TO BE THERE. Can you state ANY right they should've had other than the ludicrously laughable 'GOD GAVE IT TO US'? :manson: The ONLY land Israel has a right to is that within the 1967 borders.

 

That would be the Old Testament... The one which was written by the Jews.... No vested interest there then.... :rolleyes: I guess if some Rabbi added in biro, "..And God said to Moses, verily we could have the lande of Great Britain", we'd be all be obliged to pack up and bugger off back to France, Ireland or Germany then, CUZ THE BIBLE SED SO..... :rolleyes:

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Spot on Tyron...

 

Craig, your argument is LAUGHABLE...... But thank you for entertaining us... You're either religious or you're not... You cant go around just picking and choosing which bits to believe mate... You either believe all of it or none of it..... Christ, I've got more respect for fundamentalist Muslims than I do for you, at least they're consistent in their belief system....

 

Presumably you believe that anyone who trades on the Sabbath should be put to death then....?

 

Actually, what a wonderful idea... We could ALL have a long-weekend every weekend... Friday we have off for the Muslims, Saturday for the Jews, Sunday for the Christians.... Four Day Week folks.... Excellent...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sharon was a traitor, he sold out years later with his disgraceful treatment of settlers and his demolition of Israeli settlements in the region

 

His stroke that incapacitated him was karma from god for betraying Israel the way he did along with that other traitor Rabin

Your argument is full of gaping holes. A few posts back you are telling us you don't believe in God. Next you say it was karma from God. Make your mind up. I have come to the conclusion you are little more than a troll.

You have consistently posted hugely prejudiced and extreme views that constantly conflict each other and can at best be described as inflammatory. You seem incapable of rationally arguing a point with being provocative yet you seem intelligent and knowledgable for the most part so I can only surmise you do it for a laugh. I hope this is the case and I do respect your right to hold these views if indeed they are genuine but it utterly disgusts me.

 

 

 

Oh and as has been said only the Jews claim God gave them the land yet archealogical and historical evidence suggests nothing of the sort. Palestine (Land Of The Philistines) dates back as far as 1190 BCE. Yet the Jews homeland is Judea - only the southern part of Eretz Yisrael, so geographically and historically they have no claim to Bethlehem or the surrounding area

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So, if one of your family members was killed in an attack in Britain by Islamic extremists, would you say it was justified, because we as a country re-elected Tony Blair after the Iraq war began?

 

Oh, absolutely, brilliant point Danny.... In fact, you get the Post of the Week award for that one...... Craig has consistently posted that he regards Blair and Bush as war criminals, so surely, by that logic, the attacks on July 7th in London were totally justified retaliatory attacks then, as was the attack on Glasgow airport..... :rolleyes:

 

SO, go on Craig, answer Danny, and me as well..... I'm getting the popcorn and beer for this one......LOL....

Fantastic editorial from the Independent:

 

 

Western leaders are too cowardly to save lives

 

Has Israel lost it? Can the Gaza War of 2008-09 (1,300 dead) and the Lebanon War of 2006 (1,006 dead) and all the other wars and now yesterday's killings mean that the world will no longer accept Israel's rule?

 

Don't hold your breath.

 

You only have to read the gutless White House statement – that the Obama administration was "working to understand the circumstances surrounding the tragedy". Not a single word of condemnation. And that's it. Ten dead. Just another statistic to add to the Middle East's toll.

 

But it's not.

 

In 1948, our politicians – the Americans and the British – staged an airlift into Berlin. A starving population (our enemies only three years before) were surrounded by a brutal army, the Russians, who had erected a fence around the city. The Berlin airlift was one of the great moments in the Cold War. Our soldiers and our airmen risked and gave their lives for these starving Germans.

 

Incredible, isn't it? In those days, our politicians took decisions; our leaders took decisions to save lives. Messrs Attlee and Truman knew that Berlin was important in moral and human as well as political terms.

 

And today? It was people – ordinary people, Europeans, Americans, Holocaust survivors – yes, for heaven's sake, survivors of the Nazis – who took the decision to go to Gaza because their politicians and their statesmen had failed them.

 

Where were our politicians yesterday? Well, we had the ridiculous Ban Ki-moon, the White House's pathetic statement, and dear Mr Blair's expression of "deep regret and shock at the tragic loss of life". Where was Mr Cameron? Where was Mr Clegg?

 

Back in 1948, they would have ignored the Palestinians, of course. It is, after all, a terrible irony that the Berlin airlift coincided with the destruction of Arab Palestine.

 

But it is a fact that it is ordinary people, activists, call them what you will, who now take decisions to change events. Our politicians are too spineless, too cowardly, to take decisions to save lives. Why is this? Why didn't we hear courageous words from Messrs Cameron and Clegg yesterday?

 

For it is a fact, is it not, that had Europeans (and yes, the Turks are Europeans, are they not?) been gunned down by any other Middle Eastern army (which the Israeli army is, is it not?) there would have been waves of outrage.

 

And what does this say about Israel? Isn't Turkey a close ally of Israel? Is this what the Turks can expect? Now Israel's only ally in the Muslim world is saying this is a massacre – and Israel doesn't seem to care.

 

But then Israel didn't care when London and Canberra expelled Israeli diplomats after British and Australian passports were forged and then provided to the assassins of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. It didn't care when it announced new Jewish settlements on occupied land in East Jerusalem while Joe Biden, the Vice-President of its erstwhile ally, the United States, was in town. Why should Israel care now?

 

How did we get to this point? Maybe because we all grew used to seeing the Israelis kill Arabs, maybe the Israelis grew used to killing Arabs. Now they kill Turks. Or Europeans. Something has changed in the Middle East these past 24 hours – and the Israelis (given their extraordinarily stupid political response to the slaughter) don't seem to have grasped what has happened. The world is tired of these outrages. Only the politicians are silent.

Oh, absolutely, brilliant point Danny.... In fact, you get the Post of the Week award for that one...... Craig has consistently posted that he regards Blair and Bush as war criminals, so surely, by that logic, the attacks on July 7th in London were totally justified retaliatory attacks then, as was the attack on Glasgow airport..... :rolleyes:

 

SO, go on Craig, answer Danny, and me as well..... I'm getting the popcorn and beer for this one......LOL....

 

Happy to answer it

 

Britain got what it deserved in 7/7 and the other incident as it played an active role in the deliberate mass murder of 26,000 Iraqi civilians, civilians the intended target of Shock and Awe and our government played at active part in it so are fair game for revenge attacks along with America, Blair and Bush should be facing genocide charges in The Hague BUT you can't compare that with Israel in Gaza and West Bank, Israeli military actions are aimed at killing terrorists and weapons smugglers, they have targeted operations to eliminate these terrorists, sometimes when they blow up a house to kill a terrorist others may be caught up in it but try are not the intended target unlike Shock and Awe, civilian deaths in Palestine are collateral damage what we did in Iraq was premeditated mass murder of civilians so we deserved fully any revenge attacks.

 

As for the question of my family being killed in 7/7 human nature would mean a desire for revenge, I would have dedicated my life to assassinating Blair so i would have blamed Blair for my family death.

 

To sum up we and America deliberately murdered civilians in cold blood Israel target terrorists but sometimes civilians get killed in the crossfire or they kill civilians in self defence who are attacking them with rocks.

Fantastic editorial from the Independent:

Western leaders are too cowardly to save lives

 

Has Israel lost it? Can the Gaza War of 2008-09 (1,300 dead) and the Lebanon War of 2006 (1,006 dead) and all the other wars and now yesterday's killings mean that the world will no longer accept Israel's rule?

 

Don't hold your breath.

 

You only have to read the gutless White House statement – that the Obama administration was "working to understand the circumstances surrounding the tragedy". Not a single word of condemnation. And that's it. Ten dead. Just another statistic to add to the Middle East's toll.

 

But it's not.

 

In 1948, our politicians – the Americans and the British – staged an airlift into Berlin. A starving population (our enemies only three years before) were surrounded by a brutal army, the Russians, who had erected a fence around the city. The Berlin airlift was one of the great moments in the Cold War. Our soldiers and our airmen risked and gave their lives for these starving Germans.

 

Incredible, isn't it? In those days, our politicians took decisions; our leaders took decisions to save lives. Messrs Attlee and Truman knew that Berlin was important in moral and human as well as political terms.

 

And today? It was people – ordinary people, Europeans, Americans, Holocaust survivors – yes, for heaven's sake, survivors of the Nazis – who took the decision to go to Gaza because their politicians and their statesmen had failed them.

 

Where were our politicians yesterday? Well, we had the ridiculous Ban Ki-moon, the White House's pathetic statement, and dear Mr Blair's expression of "deep regret and shock at the tragic loss of life". Where was Mr Cameron? Where was Mr Clegg?

 

Back in 1948, they would have ignored the Palestinians, of course. It is, after all, a terrible irony that the Berlin airlift coincided with the destruction of Arab Palestine.

 

But it is a fact that it is ordinary people, activists, call them what you will, who now take decisions to change events. Our politicians are too spineless, too cowardly, to take decisions to save lives. Why is this? Why didn't we hear courageous words from Messrs Cameron and Clegg yesterday?

 

For it is a fact, is it not, that had Europeans (and yes, the Turks are Europeans, are they not?) been gunned down by any other Middle Eastern army (which the Israeli army is, is it not?) there would have been waves of outrage.

 

And what does this say about Israel? Isn't Turkey a close ally of Israel? Is this what the Turks can expect? Now Israel's only ally in the Muslim world is saying this is a massacre – and Israel doesn't seem to care.

 

But then Israel didn't care when London and Canberra expelled Israeli diplomats after British and Australian passports were forged and then provided to the assassins of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. It didn't care when it announced new Jewish settlements on occupied land in East Jerusalem while Joe Biden, the Vice-President of its erstwhile ally, the United States, was in town. Why should Israel care now?

 

How did we get to this point? Maybe because we all grew used to seeing the Israelis kill Arabs, maybe the Israelis grew used to killing Arabs. Now they kill Turks. Or Europeans. Something has changed in the Middle East these past 24 hours – and the Israelis (given their extraordinarily stupid political response to the slaughter) don't seem to have grasped what has happened. The world is tired of these outrages. Only the politicians are silent.

 

That was grossly exaggerated by left wing anti Israel groups, the death toll was nearer 800 the majority of which were terrorists, weapons smugglers and so on, many of them used human shields, a popular tactic with cowardly Palestinian terrorists so if there is a choice of leaving the terrorist alone or to take him out along with the human shield then it has to be the latter every day of the week, in every situation I would still take out the terrorist and let the lefties have their headlines as letting the terrorist live puts more Israeli lives in danger

 

"20 Killed In West Bank Massacre" would be the headline from the leftie newspapers when in reality it is 4 dangerous terrorists and their human shield, is it right to blame Israel ? no, blame the terrorist scum who are using a human shield, human shields is how the majority of civilians in Palestine died in 2008.

 

 

 

Happy to answer it

 

Britain got what it deserved in 7/7 and the other incident as it played an active role in the deliberate mass murder of 26,000 Iraqi civilians, civilians the intended target of Shock and Awe and our government played at active part in it so are fair game for revenge attacks along with America, Blair and Bush should be facing genocide charges in The Hague BUT you can't compare that with Israel in Gaza and West Bank, Israeli military actions are aimed at killing terrorists and weapons smugglers, they have targeted operations to eliminate these terrorists, sometimes when they blow up a house to kill a terrorist others may be caught up in it but try are not the intended target unlike Shock and Awe, civilian deaths in Palestine are collateral damage what we did in Iraq was premeditated mass murder of civilians so we deserved fully any revenge attacks.

 

As for the question of my family being killed in 7/7 human nature would mean a desire for revenge, I would have dedicated my life to assassinating Blair so i would have blamed Blair for my family death.

 

To sum up we and America deliberately murdered civilians in cold blood Israel target terrorists but sometimes civilians get killed in the crossfire or they kill civilians in self defence who are attacking them with rocks.

There are so many assumptions and tenuous deductions in this statement that it's laughable

There are so many assumptions and tenuous deductions in this statement that it's laughable

 

I fully believe that Israeli forces acted in self defence

 

There was around 800 on the ships and around 10 died so if Israeli forces wanted they could easily have killed hundreds so that was never their intention, but if they come under attack with live ammo, iron bars and knives course they are going to bloody defend themselves.

 

Like I said in one of my early posts if I went to say the gates of Downing St or Heathrow Airport terminal 3 and went for an armed policeman with a knife or iron bar I WOULD be shot so I don't see what Israeli forces have done wrong here.

 

There would be 0 dead if the thugs hadn't attacked the soldiers, their fault like it would be my fault with the armed policeman analogy.

 

Also there are strong links between the IIH who are one of the organisers of this shipment and Hamas/Al Qaeda

 

I am not a troll I have been banned before over Israel so it is a subject very close to my heart

 

And another thing that annoys me too, Turkey is being portrayed in the media today as full of harmless peaceful people who wouldn't say boo to a goose when the reality is that Turkey has one of the worst human rights records in the WORLD and has massacred more Kurds in cold blood in Iraq than Chemical Ali did so I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that Turkey was helping Palestinian terror groups and attacked Israeli soldiers, Turkey is one of the most vicious and vile nations on this planet with huge amounts of blood on its hands over the last few decades.