Salvaged from an off-topic discussion started on another thread.

 

shouldn't all the tracks mentioned here be put in a 'Eurobeat' section rather than dance? Culture Beat?!?!?! Sash?!?!?! Come on, guys.......

 

 

but isnt eurobeat just a dance sub genre?..

 

 

Rob...

 

no...it isn't.

 

That's like saying Shayne Ward should be considered as a master crooner a la Elvis Presley.... eurobeat is just a laughable, horrible, particularly naff type of pop that originated in Germany and Belgium - bubblegum pop poorly disguised as 'dance'. And Frank Farian (the guy behind...wait for it... Boney M...ahem)...is to blame - he nigh-on invented Eurobeat.... nasty.

 

 

Totally agree with that. This 'Eurobeat' sh!te aint dance music, it's fukkin' PAP. You wouldn't call stuff like The Rasmus or My Chemical Romance HEAVY fukkin' METAL would you (just to take the analogy further)....? :lol: :lol:

 

How about getting some A Guy Called Gerald, Carl Cox, Derrick May, Andy Wetherall/Sabres of Paradise, FSOL, Drum Club, Aphex Twin, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, B12, Altern8, Orbital, The Orb, Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman, Dave Clark (no, nothing to do with the "Dave Clark Five", Rob....LOL), Billy Nasty, Luke Vibert/Wagonchrist, Loop Guru, The Prodigy, Transglobal Underground, Death In Vegas, KLF, MARRS, LFO, Renegade Soundwave/Adrian Sherwood/Tackhead, Goldie, Roni Size, LTJ Bukem, etc up on this so-called "Retro Dance Tunes" thread.....?

 

Hell, even "Killer" by Adamski would be a vast improvement on sh!t like 2 Unlimited or "Mr Vain"....

 

Does ANYONE who comes onto this actually have a fukkin' clue what constituted Dance, Rave or Techno music...? I went to bloody Raves and underground dance clubs in UK, Germany, US and elsewhere in the late 80s/early 90s, NO FUKKIN WAY would you find sh!t like Culture Beat or 2 Unlimited being played there, that sort of c**p was for the bloody mainstream LAAAARRRGERRRRR swilling Trendy scum in the sh!tty provincial "discos".....

 

Scott...

 

absobloodylutely...I agree with everything you say. I'm sat here smiling to myself thinking about the clubs I've been to, both then and now, and ANY of them playing utter tripe like Culture Beat, 2 Unlimited, DJ Sakin, Scatman.... hilarious - the DJ would be hung drawn AND quartered. And rightly so.

 

This whole dance section seems bogged down by pop kids who haven't a foggy clue what DANCE really is (yes, Skizzo - we're talking about you).... it's not even worth starting a thread about some serious dance music - it simply never gets responded to because the 2Unlimited fans who for some bizarre reason clutter the dance section here - they wouldn't have heard of it.... right over their sorry heads :rolleyes:

Yeah, like the threads on EBM/Darkbeat with embedded vids that I did a while back; apart from Clare, Rob, yourself, a few other likeminded souls who appreciated something that wasn't commercial sh!te; oh, and the one or two pop kids who asked me utterly moronic questions like "why did you put this up in the Dance Forum?", zip, nada, no fukkin' interest.....

Totally agree with that. This 'Eurobeat' sh!te aint dance music, it's fukkin' PAP. You wouldn't call stuff like The Rasmus or My Chemical Romance HEAVY fukkin' METAL would you (just to take the analogy further)....? :lol: :lol:

 

How about getting some A Guy Called Gerald, Carl Cox, Derrick May, Andy Wetherall/Sabres of Paradise, FSOL, Drum Club, Aphex Twin, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, B12, Altern8, Orbital, The Orb, Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman, Dave Clark (no, nothing to do with the "Dave Clark Five", Rob....LOL), Billy Nasty, Luke Vibert/Wagonchrist, Loop Guru, The Prodigy, Transglobal Underground, Death In Vegas, KLF, MARRS, LFO, Renegade Soundwave/Adrian Sherwood/Tackhead, Goldie, Roni Size, LTJ Bukem, etc up on this so-called "Retro Dance Tunes" thread.....?

 

Hell, even "Killer" by Adamski would be a vast improvement on sh!t like 2 Unlimited or "Mr Vain"....

 

Does ANYONE who comes onto this actually have a fukkin' clue what constituted Dance, Rave or Techno music...? I went to bloody Raves and underground dance clubs in UK, Germany, US and elsewhere in the late 80s/early 90s, NO FUKKIN WAY would you find sh!t like Culture Beat or 2 Unlimited being played there, that sort of c**p was for the bloody mainstream LAAAARRRGERRRRR swilling Trendy scum in the sh!tty provincial "discos".....

 

That's great and all but completely irrelevant to me. The songs I put up here are dance, yes on the commercial side, but still dance. And this is my thread so i'll put whatever I want, and if people are responding positively to it and even asking for requests then i'll continue to do so. And as you said, yeah these tunes were in mainstream clubs, and (hello!) we're dance fans that like mainstream stuff so these tunes are perfect for us. If you dont like, just stay out.

That's great and all but completely irrelevant to me. The songs I put up here are dance, yes on the commercial side, but still dance. And this is my thread so i'll put whatever I want, and if people are responding positively to it and even asking for requests then i'll continue to do so. And as you said, yeah these tunes were in mainstream clubs, and (hello!) we're dance fans that like mainstream stuff so these tunes are perfect for us. If you dont like, just stay out.

 

 

There's a huge gulf of difference between a club and a disco though mate... Clubs are for people who are into the dancing, into the music, into the scene and want to take mind-altering substances to expand their minds; discos are for a bunch of Waynes and Sharons to get pissed-up, binge-drink, start glassing each other.. In short, people who have ZERO interest in the music or the actual vibe....

 

Dance Music started out as a bunch of DJs creating music for playing in clubs and raves, NOT to get into the charts....

Well that doesnt apply to everyone: i go to clubs because I love the music and I love dancing and nothing else at all. I really enjoy it and that's why I love clubbing and just having fun. I listen to this music everyday, anywhere too, and hopefully one day my job will be related in some way to music

Edited July 13, 200619 yr by skizzo

hopefully one day my job will be related in some way to music

 

 

am I the only one who seriously doubts it? :D

 

And does the other thread REALLY warrant a separate thread?

 

I think not.

am I the only one who seriously doubts it? :D

 

And does the other thread REALLY warrant a separate thread?

 

I think not.

 

Well i don't. I'm finishing Journalism so hopefully soon i'll be able to get into radio which is what I want.

And what musical qualifications do you have re. a job in radio? An A level in 2Unlimited maybe?

 

I'd broaden your horizons, mate - the tourist season's in full swing on the Algarve right now... there must be heaps of jobs there.

am I the only one who seriously doubts it? :D

 

And does the other thread REALLY warrant a separate thread?

 

I think not.

Well, I thought it did, but your welcome to have another view.

To hijack another thread and let it go the way it does certain is not helpful.

Members are here to share and discuss music not to get dirty with personal comments.

 

And what musical qualifications do you have re. a job in radio? An A level in 2Unlimited maybe?

 

I'd broaden your horizons, mate - the tourist season's in full swing on the Algarve right now... there must be heaps of jobs there.

 

Actually yes, I'm working on a radio station that helps students from Coimbra to use their skills, and gives us easier access to professional radio stations across the country.

A debate over what constitutes proper dance music and what differentiates it from pop would be interesting. But that is not going to happen here - everyone here is so damn hostile.

point taken russ...

 

im not a dance fan, never have been until i discovered trance recently. im not a clubber, not a dancer, so anything with a beat, be it europop or hardcore to me was just 'dance'.

Well, I thought it did, but your welcome to have another view.

To hijack another thread and let it go the way it does certain is not helpful.

Members are here to share and discuss music not to get dirty with personal comments.

 

It wasn't hijacking e-dude, it's called 'putting someone straight', especially when that someone claims to have a journalistic bent and should really know better. Oh, wait a minute, what the fukk am I saying..? So-called 'music journalists'are part of the fukkin' problem, whether it be the clueless tw@ts who write for NME or these "celeb" columnists from the Tabloids.... <_<

 

The whole reason why the BRITS actually stopped having a separate award for Dance Music is because the whole concept of 'Dance Music' has become totally blurred thanks to the whole genre becoming corrupted by the mainstream and just being about making money and coming up with jingles for sodding car adverts....

 

point taken russ...

 

im not a dance fan, never have been until i discovered trance recently. im not a clubber, not a dancer, so anything with a beat, be it europop or hardcore to me was just 'dance'.

 

Well, Thrash Metal has 'a beat' as well rob.... :lol:

 

Well i don't. I'm finishing Journalism so hopefully soon i'll be able to get into radio which is what I want.

 

You'd probably get a job at KissFM then, they dont seem to have clue about what constitutes Dance or Techno either.... :lol: :lol:

 

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned "music journalists" (and by this I mean the c**ksuckers who write for rubbish like NME or Kerrang as opposed to those who write for the Underground music or Fanzine press who actually really know their stuff and tend to be the sort of people who write fascinating books..) and commercial radio station DJs are a huge part of the problem as they're the ones that mainly propogate false notions and hype incredibly mediocre bands and acts simply because they're "commercially viable" and massage the ego of said journalist or DJ. In a sense, they're even worse than the scummy suits who work for the likes of Warner Brothers or Sony....

 

If you really wanna be a journalist or DJ do yourself (and us) a favour and follow the noble example of the following -

 

Lester Bangs (leading light of "Rolling Stone" magazine)

John Peel (simply the greatest Radio DJ the world has ever known...)

A debate over what constitutes proper dance music and what differentiates it from pop would be interesting. But that is not going to happen here - everyone here is so damn hostile.

 

If you actually look at the examples given of bands/acts in the Forum description though - Ladytron, Goldfrapp, Pendulum, Coburn.... None of that is commercial chart-fodder really is it...?

 

Yeah, sure, Goldfrapp gets a chart placing every time she releases summat, but there's more of an idea and substance to what Goldfrapp does than any of the Eurobeat tripe....

 

As I have stated before, there is a huge difference between a Club (which is where the Dance/Techno scenes were created) and some Provincial Disco and a huge gulf of difference in what music gets played at these places.. And it's the Clubs that tend to come to prominence. Everyone has heard of The Hacienda, The Ministry of Sound, Fabric, etc. If I were to name Mardi Gras or London (two mainstream discos in my home town of Dundee) who the fukk's gonna know what these are....? The reason is simple - The former examples created a lasting contribution to Dance/Techno/Rave culture, the latter examples just play mindless party pop garbage for the clueless....

Well, Thrash Metal has 'a beat' as well rob.... :lol:

 

 

<_<

 

all music has a beat... you know what i mean... :P

Whatever you call it, I dont care, but I'm certainly only playing stuff that I like, being it "eurobeat" or whatever you say it is. I'm not playing stuff just cos you say its cool and because in your opinion that's what dance is. People dont wanna hear that on the radio during the day, and as a radio broadcast you have to play what people want. There's an expression here in Portugal that says "tastes are not to be discussed" and I think it applies really well here. People like different things, and just because you dont like it doesnt mean its crrap or that you have better taste because its all subjective i.e i think undeground dance is crrap. So no thanks I dont need you to set me straight, i'm aware of all the early stuff that gave birth to dance music, but genres expand and it does include commercial stuff whether you accept it or not. Maybe youre the one who needs to lighten up and stop judging people as if you're better.

Edited July 14, 200619 yr by skizzo

Whatever you call it, I dont care, but I'm certainly only playing stuff that I like, being it "eurobeat" or whatever you say it is. I'm not playing stuff just cos you say its cool and because in your opinion that's what dance is. People dont wanna hear that on the radio during the day, and as a radio broadcast you have to play what people want. There's an expression here in Portugal that says "tastes are not to be discussed" and I think it applies really well here. People like different things, and just because you dont like it doesnt mean its crrap or that you have better taste because its all subjective i.e i think undeground dance is crrap. So no thanks I dont need you to set me straight, i'm aware of all the early stuff that gave birth to dance music, but genres expand and it does include commercial stuff whether you accept it or not. Maybe youre the one who needs to lighten up and stop judging people as if you're better.

 

You're missing the point totally. Eurobeat is obviously pop... And it aint just my opinion, it's the opinion of just about every big name Club DJ worth his or her salt... No way in hell would you get a big name Club DJ playing stuff like that mate, no way... If you are actually a serious journalist or DJ or whatever, you really need to do the research into your subject, because you clearly have no clue if you think the likes of Orbital, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy or Underworld were 'underground' dance acts, all of 'em had Top 10 hits ffs.... :lol: :lol:

 

You're right in one respect, the Genre has expanded, in some ways for the good because it puts a more human face on the genre and rubbishes the 'it's all just faceless techno bollocks though innit' argument used by who despised the genre, but it's bad in the sense that you have all manners of fakes and charlatans using it for selling music that is completely artistically worthless and does nothing to actually improve the genre, in fact, the commercial rubbish just holds the genre back because if that's all people are gonna listen to then it's no wonder the lines are getting blurred... Stuff like Eurobeat aint Dance or Techno any more than the likes of Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park were Heavy Metal. Nu Metal is all but dead in the water (thank fukk..) because of a re-assertion of what Metal really is and how it should progress in the 21st Century (ie, to not to sound like a bunch of pubescent, whiny Yankee c**p. That's what we have Emo for :lol: ...)... A similar 'clearing out' process needs to be done in Dance/Techno music IMO....

 

Try listening to stuff like Cosmosis, Dark Soho or Infected Mushroom some time, lovely, head-fukkin' Psyche-Trance; or better yet, some EBM or Darkwave (if you even know what that actually is...); it might just broaden your horizons a bit.

 

In essence, I would have much less of a problem with stuff like "Eurobeat" if it was just marketed as regular Pop music and it didn't pretend to be Dance or Techno, at the end of the day, I'm against mis-labelling....

At the end of the day, its all a label, what matters is if you like it or not. Unfortunately for you, only the "serious" dance djs consider eurobeat pop, and everyone else says its dance. Since I consider it dance to, I posted it over here. That's all really