:rofl:

 

It's already been confirmed 1.5m public sector jobs are to be axed over the next 5 years. Do you really think the private sector will be able to create that many jobs - bearing in mind the private sector created only 1.5m jobs between 2000 and 2008, when the economy was booming?

Tell you what, if you're so sure you could find a job, and that being in the poorest 10% of society will be so easy, how about you close your business and go stroll down to your shop or car wash and get one of those jobs that are so plentiful? We're all in this together, after all.

 

Yes I do think it will happen

 

1.5m jobs will be lost (worst case scenario probably won't even happen) but the CBI think 2.3m new companies will be started between 2010 and 2018, even if many fail many will still recruit people, many will succeed, predict unemployment will be about 2.5m by the next election and start going steadily down

Tell you what, if you're so sure you could find a job, and that being in the poorest 10% of society will be so easy, how about you close your business and go stroll down to your shop or car wash and get one of those jobs that are so plentiful? We're all in this together, after all.

 

I didn't say it is easy, but it should be easier than the indignity of sitting on arse all day living off the taxpayer

 

Why can an immigrant come over from Kabul or Warsaw and almost instantly find a job ?

1.5m jobs will be lost (worst case scenario probably won't even happen) but the CBI think 2.3m new companies will be started between 2010 and 2018, even if many fail many will still recruit people, many will succeed, predict unemployment will be about 2.5m by the next election and start going steadily down

 

Utter nonsense. It's no surprise you didn't provide any sources to back this up.

 

 

Why can an immigrant come over from Kabul or Warsaw and almost instantly find a job ?

 

Because they're willing to work under the minimum wage, and employers break the law to facilitate it. Yes, as much as it may shock you, even Thatcher didn't take our welfare state to a level comparable to Poland's.

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Utter nonsense. It's no surprise you didn't provide any sources to back this up.

Because they're willing to work under the minimum wage, and employers break the law to facilitate it. Yes, as much as it may shock you, even Thatcher didn't take our welfare state to a level comparable to Poland's.

 

I am a member of the chamber of commerce and the IOD, it was in a newsletter I was sent, I haven't looked for it online

 

No they have a work ethic that many Britons don't, if you don't work in Afghanistan you starve so that gives them a work ethic that means they come here and get work very quickly, same in Poland, their welfare system is next to nothing, much as I don't like the idea of Britain losing its cultural identity I would happily export our scroungers (the ones that make no effort to find work not all unemployed) to Poland and Afghanistan and replace them with hard working immigrants.

I am a member of the chamber of commerce and the IOD, it was in a newsletter I was sent, I haven't looked for it online

 

No they have a work ethic that many Britons don't, if you don't work in Afghanistan you starve so that gives them a work ethic that means they come here and get work very quickly, same in Poland, their welfare system is next to nothing, much as I don't like the idea of Britain losing its cultural identity I would happily export our scroungers (the ones that make no effort to find work not all unemployed) to Poland and Afghanistan and replace them with hard working immigrants.

 

Riiiiight, so you think modelling our economy on that of Poland's and Afghanistan's will be the path to being a booming ecomony. Can you hear yourself?

Even Thatcher didn't take our welfare state to a level comparable to Poland's.

 

Am not stating an opinon here more thinking out aloud but maybe it is time we did then. Slash unemployment welfare payments to a point where it is not economically viable not to work, people out of work in most cases have no incentive to work as they are so in their comfort zone on welfare that they have no incentive to go out and look for work

 

Maybe it is time for savage and brutal cuts in unemployment benefits in order to get people away from the tv and into the workplace.

A relative of mine is on JSA, he gets £65 a week, he asked the benefits office only a week or 2 ago whether JSA was being cut next year and he was given a catergorical NO, this was from someone who works in the JSA and has access to all the information

Then do explain why it's £51 p/w for new claimants?

Riiiiight, so you think modelling our economy on that of Poland's and Afghanistan's will be the path to being a booming ecomony. Can you hear yourself?

 

I fully support the minimum wage so please don't throw that on my doorstep, I would say the majority of immigrants are working on minimum wage or higher, sure there are some that exploit like fruit picking and catching cockles etc but most immigrants I would say are on minimum wage and above.

Am not stating an opinon here more thinking out aloud but maybe it is time we did then. Slash unemployment welfare payments to a point where it is not economically viable not to work, people out of work in most cases have no incentive to work as they are so in their comfort zone on welfare that they have no incentive to go out and look for work

 

Maybe it is time for savage and brutal cuts in unemployment benefits in order to get people away from the tv and into the workplace.

Into what workplace? Your actions would just lead to people starving in the streets - barely ANYWHERE is hiring at the moment, jobs that don't require specialist qualifications are going pretty much as soon as they become available. You think 3 million people are all going to magically find work?

Then do explain why it's £51 p/w for new claimants?

 

I have no idea about new claimants, maybe that is for the young, my relative is 48 and has been on JSA for 5 months

Into what workplace? Your actions would just lead to people starving in the streets - barely ANYWHERE is hiring at the moment, jobs that don't require specialist qualifications are going pretty much as soon as they become available. You think 3 million people are all going to magically find work?

 

Immigrants seem to be able to without difficulty, Danny claims that they are being exploited and working below minimum wage but I doubt that is anything more than a small minority of cases

 

Nor was I suggesting the above, more playing devils advocate

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You think 3 million people are all going to magically find work?

<cleggeron>the corporation tax cut will mean that 6 million new jobs magically appear and then there'll be no-one unemployed, no-one too ill to work, and everyone will be able to chip in with the BIG SOCIETY of serving up school dinners and buying up pubs before going to the village green for a game of cricket</cleggeron>

 

 

I would say the majority of immigrants are working on minimum wage or higher,

 

Then you'd be wrong - not that that's a surprise after your conga-line of faux pas in this thread.

<cleggeron>the corporation tax cut will mean that 6 million new jobs magically appear and then there'll be no-one unemployed, no-one too ill to work, and everyone will be able to chip in with the BIG SOCIETY of serving up school dinners and buying up pubs before going to the village green for a game of cricket</cleggeron>

Then you'd be wrong - not that that's a surprise after your conga-line of faux pas in this thread.

 

The corporation tax cut will certainly help create jobs in this country as will the NI holiday for new jobs created as will the scrapping of Labour's vile "jobs tax"

 

Many of the 1.5million public sector workers who lose their jobs I have no doubt will start their own businesses with their redundancy money although I would say the final total will be not even half the 1.5m that is being claimed.

 

 

The corporation tax cut will certainly help create jobs in this country as will the NI holiday for new jobs created as will the scrapping of Labour's vile "jobs tax"

 

And how will the government ensure that happens? What's stopping the business executives putting the extra money raised by the tax cut into their own pockets?

 

Even for those businesses that will use the tax cut to help with their employment, it's more likely that they'll put their current workers on longer hours (as many businesses made many of their workers part-time to cope with the downturn) before they start employing anyone else.

 

Many of the 1.5million public sector workers who lose their jobs I have no doubt will start their own businesses with their redundancy money although I would say the final total will be not even half the 1.5m that is being claimed.

 

Oh dear.

And how will the government ensure that happens? What's stopping the business executives putting the extra money raised by the tax cut into their own pockets?

 

Even for those businesses that will use the tax cut to help with their employment, it's more likely that they'll put their current workers on longer hours (as many businesses made many of their workers part-time to cope with the downturn) before they start employing anyone else.

Oh dear.

 

Nothing can ensure that it happens but even if some jobs are created as a result of it it is better than none

 

Even if say 50,000 extra were created thanks to these measures then that is 50,000 off benefits and into work

Oh dear.

 

What I meant was that I reckon the final public sector job losses will be no more than about 750,000 certainly not the 1.5m the left like to trot out

What I meant was that I reckon the final public sector job losses will be no more than about 750,000 certainly not the 1.5m the left like to trot out

 

The "independent" Office of Budgetary Responsibility estimate 1.2m public sector job losses.

The "independent" Office of Budgetary Responsibility estimate 1.2m public sector job losses.

 

Time will tell but I expect it will be another scare story like the scientists saying we were all going to die of swine flu/bird flu/salmonella etc

 

There will be job losses no doubt about that but I don't believe they will be anything like on the scale predicted above

Time will tell but I expect it will be another scare story like the scientists saying we were all going to die of swine flu/bird flu/salmonella etc

 

There will be job losses no doubt about that but I don't believe they will be anything like on the scale predicted above

 

You think people who work down the corridor from the Chancellor would've deliberately over-estimated the scale of the job losses?

You think people who work down the corridor from the Chancellor would've deliberately over-estimated the scale of the job losses?

 

Government scientists working just down the corridor from the health secretary way overestimated the number of people that would die from swine flu and called it a pandemic, in the end instead of 100,000+ dying the death toll was about 40