I never knew until a few months ago that their were a third and forth Superman films. I always thought it ended at #2. Seemingly the press seem to think the same as quite a few of them are saying "Superman Returns" is the sequal to the second Superman film. :blink:

 

Why is this? Reeve was in both films but they seem to be forgotton :unsure: I've yet to see then myself. Were they really that bad?

I thought there were only two :lol: :unsure:

I thought there were only two :lol: :unsure:

 

Me to :blink:

3 and 4 were bad.

 

Basically Superman Returns carries on from where 2 left off. It's the sequel after the second movie.

 

Superman 3 (c**p)

Superman 4: The Quest For Peace (c**p)

I never knew until a few months ago that their were a third and forth Superman films. I always thought it ended at #2. Seemingly the press seem to think the same as quite a few of them are saying "Superman Returns" is the sequal to the second Superman film. :blink:

 

Wait a minute you're forgetting something...

 

 

 

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Actually this is the only film of the original Salkind Superman franchize I have seen

 

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Upon gaining the rites for the film Superman, Alexander Salkind, and his son Ilya also purchased the rites to the character of Supergirl, should any sequel or spin off occur. Sure enough, it was proven so. Although the Salkind duo financed the film completely on their own budget, Warner Bros still lent a big hand in the process, as they owned the ditribution rites to the film. The entire film was shot, edited, and overlooked by the WB company, however, two weeks or so before the films big summer premiere, WB dropped the film due to the third installment of the Superman films, and the damning reviews it gained. The film Supergirl was then shelved for a few months, without distribution, until fledging company Tri-Star pictures picked it up for holiday release in November. The fledging company made an egregious decision when they over-edited the picture, cutting it from 127 minutes, to 105 minutes. The drastic changes were not only damaging the films original intention, but also extremely unfair to stars Faye Dunaway and Helen Slater, as their performances were hampered severely. Upon it's release, the film disapointed it's anticipation. Contrary to popular belief, the film was not a major flop, but a mere disappointment. It was the #1 movie of the box office during its first weekend, and many people found it to be a great fantasy adventure, as it was. Still, if it weren't for the less-than-professional decisions made by both Warner Bros and Tri-Star, the films original theatrical even would have been a fantastic turn for the film, and it's star, Helen Slater.

 

Trivia

 

Christopher Reeve was slated to have a cameo as Superman but bowed out early on.

 

Marc McClure makes his fourth, of five appearances in the entire Superman movie franchise.

 

Demi Moore auditioned for, and was cast as character Lucy Lane, but soon bowed out to make the film Blame It On Rio.

 

 

 

 

I remember watching Supergirl at the flicks, it was awful.

you might find one of these on eBay or it might get repeated on BBC 2 again (normally one of those films they pull out to fill a space in the arvo)

 

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It's very cheesey I know, but if you like superhero SF films one to watch at least once in your life :lol:

Superman 3 was the only of the Superman films with Reve in that I saw, i actualy liked it but having not seen the first two I can't compare.

Superman 3 was the only of the Superman films with Reve in that I saw, i actualy liked it but having not seen the first two I can't compare.

 

I beleive its supposed to be more of a comedy with Richard Pryor in.

 

However the second one had loads of problems with it's production. It was in Total Film a few months back, V good article. Should make a film out of it.

SUPERMAN 2 INFO

 

will give you background to it:

 

Off-screen problems hampered production of this movie: like other Salkind productions such as The Three Musketeers (1973) and The Four Musketeers (1974), this was filmed at the same time as the first Superman movie to be a direct sequel. However, Marlon Brando filed suit over his percentage of the first film's profits, so as a response his scenes were excised from the second film. Director Richard Donner argued with the producers over their attempts to make the film "more campy," in his opinion, which led to his removal and replacement on the project by Richard Lester. Following that, Gene Hackman declined to return for any reshoots by Lester, which cut down the number of scenes in which he appears in the final cut (or with a few scenes where a body double was obviously being used).

 

Another reason behind Richard Donner's removal may have been because the Salkinds were upset that Donner went over their originally planned budget for the movie. Warner Brothers ended up getting more and more involved in the race to complete the film, allowing the studio to receive more profits from the film's box office take than the Salkinds had originally agreed to. With their power slipping away, Donner was unfortunately made the scapegoat.

 

Despite all the difficulties, and with only a few noticeable shifts in tone between the two directors' scenes (Lester's scenes tend more to camp and humor), it was noted by critics to be a remarkable and coherent film, highlighted by the movie's battle sequence between Superman and the three Phantom Zone prisoners on the streets of Metropolis. Scenes filmed by Donner include all the Gene Hackman footage, the moon sequences, the White House shots, Clark and the bully, and a lot of the footage of Zod, Ursa and Non arriving at the Daily Planet. Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve's appearance looked different between Lester/Donner footage. Reeve appears less bulked up in Donner's sequences since these were scenes filmed in 1977 as he was getting beefed up for the part. The Lester footage was shot almost two years later. Kidder on the other hand has dramatic hairstyle changes throughout the montage of Lester/Donner material shot inside the Daily Planet and the Fortress of Solitude near the movie's conclusion.

 

In the years since the film's release, the controversy continues to be fueled, while the film itself has achieved cult status. In 1983, Alexander Salkind's production company pieced together an "Expanded International Cut" of the film for television using approximately 24 minutes of footage not shown in the theatrical release, some of which was original Richard Donner footage shot before Richard Lester became director. The "new" footage expanded on the film's many subplots, including a further explanation of the villains' task on Earth, Superman and Lois' romance, and an alternate ending involving Lex Luthor, the three Kryptonian villains, and the final fate of the Fortress of Solitude. This 146-minute expanded version was released throughout Europe and Australia in the 1980s (the initial expanded U.S. ABC and Canadian CBC telecasts, though edited differently, were derived from the European/Australian TV edit).

 

In 2005, several Superman movie fans attempted to bring the film closer to Donner's original vision by creating their own professionally-made video restoration of the "International Cut" and offered free DVDs of it on one of the many Superman fan sites, but their efforts were thwarted by Warner Bros., who are reportedly threatening legal action.

 

All four Superman films will get Special Edition releases in 2006 to coincide with the release of Superman Returns. It has been confirmed that Ilya Salkind has released Donner's footage for the Superman II disc and that Donner is involved in the project. According to an interview conducted by website supermanhomepage.com, Ilya confirmed that Time Warner now owns all of the footage shot for 1978's Superman, 1980's Superman II, 1983's Superman III, 1984's Supergirl, and 1987's Superman IV: The Quest for Peace including distribution rights. SE restorationist Michael Thau is again working on the project alongside Richard Donner and Tom Mankiewicz, who are supervising the Superman II reconstruction. Despite some initial confusion, Thau has confirmed that all the footage shot by Donner in 1977 was recovered and transferred from England. The new edition will be released in November, and according to the MPAA will be called Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut. It has also been confirmed that the new cut will feature less than 25% footage filmed by replacement director Richard Lester. As of writing, Ken Throne (musical composer), Jack O' Halloran (Non) and Sarah Douglas (Ursa) have all been interviewed for the Superman II SE. Sarah Douglas has made a commentary track for the theatrical version and there is rumor that Richard Lester will make an appearance on the disc

 

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, also known as The Version You've Never Seen, is a 2006 film that is a re-edit of the 1980 film Superman II. It has been officially sanctioned by Warner Bros. and director Richard Donner, and stars Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Gene Hackman and Terence Stamp. The cut is being supervised by Donner, Tom Mankiewicz and Michael Thau, an editor who worked with Donner on the 2001 director's cut and restoration of Superman: The Movie.

 

Warner Bros. will release the film on DVD in November 2006, at the same time as the DVD release of Superman Returns. The film will be released seperately, and as part of a 14-disc Ultimate Superman Collection on DVD.

 

Unlike many “special edition†and “director’s cut†movies released over the years, Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut will essentially be a completely new film, featuring entirely different and never-before seen scenes featuring Marlon Brando, Christopher Reeve and the rest of the Superman II cast. The project is being supervised by Superman: The Movie restorationist Michael Thau, in close conjunction with director Richard Donner, who will now be credited as director of the film instead of Richard Lester - the original credited director of Superman II. The film utlizes footage originally shot by Richard Donner during original principal photography from 1977-78, using footage by Richard Lester to fill in spaces that were not shot by Donner due to the halt on production for II.

 

 

I just finished watching the Curse of Superman on Ch 4. Very interesting indeed :unsure:

 

Good luck to Brandon Routh anyway :lol: Hopefully Spacey is'nt effected :huh:

Edited July 15, 200619 yr by Scotty.

I just finished watching the Curse of Superman on Ch 4. Very interesting indeed :unsure:

 

Good luck to Brandon Routh anyway :lol: Hopefully Spacey is'nt effected :huh:

 

Yeah i managed to watch the end of that, got the days mixed up as i thought that today, when its the history and film on five today

Quite enjoyed that 2 hour history on five today

 

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Its a pity Superpup didnt get a full series!!! that would have so totally been a cult tv classic!!! :lol:

 

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however even though it showed Richard Pryor in Superman 3, think I missed the part with $h!te superhero Nuclear Man in it. Was he shown?

 

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Nuclear Man - as useless as this dude?

I don't have Five so missed it.

 

But god "Nuclear Man" was just awful. The special effects when he was fighting Superman in space were shockingly bad.

I don't have Five so missed it.

 

Well its an American feature so that show might be on RTE over the next few weeks?

Supergirl is a HIGHLY underatted film and such a classic! I adore it. It also had MANY problems during production. Those salkinds were morons. The script is very choppy due to these problems. However it has beautiful cinematography, LUSH live wire work and Helen Slater in her debut role! Superman 3 and 4 were just the worst. Bryan Singer made a wise decision to base superman returns after superman 2

Edited July 27, 200619 yr by Ozx