So Rage wasn't commercial? Well someone certainly made some bucks from it. Mr Cowell owned it according to one rumour I heard.

As for the Bird Is The Word campaign, I've just become the 320000th member! At this rate there could be several million by xmas! (Biggest seller of all time maybe?) And so what if there are multiple imposter campaigns for the same song, surely that's spreading the cause to even more people and there are already (in my experience anyway) more people getting excited about this than there were abt Rage!

Tell everyone that you've heard that the Bird is the word!

This is possibly the most ridiculous post I've read in this forum for a good while.

 

For starters, all proceeds from Killing In The Name were donated to charity.

 

That Facebook group total is subject to diminishing returns from publicity. It'll be lucky to make a million, I can confidently predict it won't make two million. Not all of the people in the group will bother buying it, as with last year and the RATM campaign where I think not even half bought it (and that's before we even start guessing how many bought it multiple times to make up for others).

 

Surfin' Bird will not be the biggest selling song of all time. In all likelihood, it won't even be #1. Rage Against The Machine benefited HUGELY from last year's X Factor contestants being pretty weak and getting a bit of a non-winner in the form of Joe McElderry to go up against - this year could genuinely throw up a winner out of seven or so of the contestants and have them go down as a good winner.

 

Plus, are we not forgetting something here? The song is as annoying as fuck. If they even manage to get the kind of coverage RATM got, it's probably going to end up harming them rather than helping them in the long run - particularly as it's going to be quite difficult for this campaign to fall back on purchases based solely on the concept of stopping the X Factor from getting to number one, which isn't going to have quite the same novelty as it did last year. Diminishing returns once again.

Don't know why Mr Morter thinks the John Cage campaign is the only one that has a chance of succeeding, especially when the BITW group has ten times the membership AND the backing of Radio 1. Maybe it's something to do with Scott Mills (who had an on-air hissy fit last year about RATM) and "the establishment" that makes him want to support Cage instead?

 

Every time I read what Morter has to say, he comes across more and more as being very up himself, and enjoys hogging the limelight for what essentially was a one-off that HASN'T changed the music industry one bit, because radio stations still play it safe. It may have convinced Cowell to think about releasing a different kind of winner's song this year, but the ball is still in his court whatever is released, as the X Factor single is the ONLY available single to buy in all the supermarkets, given pride of place in HMV, whereas other artists are extremely limited.

 

Anyway, the Cage campaign has played its hand first, and despite the early promise, it hasn't taken off, because everybody has seen right through the cynicism, and won't waste their money downloading the "song". Unfortunately, we will all just have to enjoy the Xmas chart for whatever surprises crop up, but there won't be a non-XF No.1 unless someone releases a great brand new song and gets all the major distributors on board to realistically compete.

Edited October 23, 201014 yr by Alcohol_Prone

So Rage wasn't commercial? Well someone certainly made some bucks from it. Mr Cowell owned it according to one rumour I heard.

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

here is a video, of something i witnessed earlier this year, this is Rage Against The Machine handing over a cheque of every single penny they made from KITN at Christmas to go to homeless charity Shelter

 

 

If you seriously think a band like Rage Against the Machine are commercial you are clearly an idiot.

I think its got to a stage now where there are too many campaigns. Thats going to dilute the sales and considering the Rage campaign had over 1 million facebook fans, but 500,000 actual downloads means that all these campaigns will have to start picking up fast. The problem is now that there's too many campaigns diluting sales, while the X Factor will probably still remain strong, so I can see X Factor re-claiming the X-mas #1 this year

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

here is a video, of something i witnessed earlier this year, this is Rage Against The Machine handing over a cheque of every single penny they made from KITN at Christmas to go to homeless charity Shelter

 

 

If you seriously think a band like Rage Against the Machine are commercial you are clearly an idiot.

I know there not commercial and stuff, but why are the on a commercial record label (Sony Music Entertainment)? Don't non-commercial artists have independent labels??

 

Not questioning it, just find it funny that their under the same label as Shakira and Britney Spears :lol:

I know there not commercial and stuff, but why are the on a commercial record label (Sony Music Entertainment)? Don't non-commercial artists have independent labels??

 

Not questioning it, just find it funny that their under the same label as Shakira and Britney Spears :lol:

 

I went into this quite indepth in the Rage number 1 thread last year, they are for a start (or they were) on an offshot of Sony, Epic records, and they had one of the most unique record deals ever, especially major record label wise anyway. Rage have many very strong messages in their music, the main point of the band is to get these messages out, which is why they signed to Epic Records, as on an indie label they just won't be heard by as many people, major label, heard by loads of people, we must also remember this was 1992, a time before the internet ruled the world, if they were starting out now I'd imagine they'd be going a very different route.

 

And going back to the unique record deal bit, Tom Morello made sure lots of things with the label, one of them being the band having 100% creative control over their music, aswell as being able to be as aggressive and explicit as they were etc, the sort of stuff no other major record label artist would get away with (well until they realised that it sold extremely world so made messageless terrible bands like Limp Bizkit with f*** used for lolz more than to get a message across), I do have a book about them somewhere that has the deal in quite good detail but i'm unsure where it is right now.

 

But yeah basically, Epic agreed to everything they asked, where as most other labels wouldnt.

But yeah basically, Epic agreed to everything they asked, where as most other labels wouldnt.

Oh okay. Confused no more, thank you

These campaigns are so unoriginal now

I had no idea they had donated the profits, soz. And yeah I was getting a bit carried away when I said abt bird becomin the biggest seller too. But I do genuinely think it can get xmas number one, as I said before where I live it's generating much more excitement and word of mouth promotion amongst everyone I know than Rage did last year. If people end up 'not bothering' than it cd be because others are sayin it won't work, if enough people do believe it will work than it really could.