My best friend is Muslim, although she is anything but strict! People can't blame all Muslims for how a few act... It's not about the Muslim faith, It's about individuals... It's like saying all gays act like fairies, because most don't either!

 

The thing i don't get about this is... As much as people have their right to protest and freedom of speech, it just does not sit well that people against everything British are allowed to act like this? I don't know if they were born in Britain or not, but it annoys me so much that the police never do anything about it! Surely it is agasint UK security and the public's safety with these people on the streets, recruiting more extremists and brainwashing... as well as having the ability to help international extremists/terrorits? It just feels like the UK goes too far with accepting everyone and everything... what does it take? To kill people before action is taken?

The more attention you give them, the more they moan... it's exactly the same everywhere...

This is what the law says...

 

 

The offence is created by section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986, which was inserted by section 154 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994:

 

“ (1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he: (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

( b ) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting

thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.

(2) An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the person who is harassed, alarmed or distressed is also inside that or another dwelling.

(3) It is a defence for the accused to prove:

(a) that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or

( b ) that his conduct was reasonable.

 

 

 

Surely therefore the behaviour of these few individuals (their faith is irrelevant) constitutes an offence under this act and the police should have spoken to them.

 

They have their right to their opinion and free speech but the law doesn't allow for their opinion to be presented in an offensive or abusive way and as such they should have been challenged. It's obviously a sensitive issue for many but they can protest our involvement in Afghanistan etc in a far more productive way and one that won't have an inflammatory and sensationalist right wing media demonise them.

 

The problem in this country and the world over is their are too many people so intent on getting their own opinions heard they forget to listen and learn from others opinions. And there's a big difference between listening and hearing.

Edited November 14, 201014 yr by Severin

Yes I am serious, I don't support war, I don't support that we send all these soldiers (and STILL send all these soldiers) to their deaths in Afghanistan, as Grimly said, millions Marched on the streets against the war and the government has done f*** all about it, the whole fact that your dad was in the army and sent to Afghanistan should make you f***ing angry rather than call people who are actually trying to do something about it scum.

 

Just to clear things up firstly, I am not being racist to all muslims.

 

Also, your right, I am completely against the reason we (Britain) went to Afghanistan. But I think if we pull out now then the 300 odd soldiers who have died would have died in vain. That is all I will say.

Just to clear things up firstly, I am not being racist to all muslims.

 

Also, your right, I am completely against the reason we (Britain) went to Afghanistan. But I think if we pull out now then the 300 odd soldiers who have died would have died in vain. That is all I will say.

How will they have died in vain when this war is (in the words of SEVERAL generals of UK and US armies) literally unwinnable? If anything far more people will just die in vain.

Just to clear things up firstly, I am not being racist to all muslims.

 

Also, your right, I am completely against the reason we (Britain) went to Afghanistan. But I think if we pull out now then the 300 odd soldiers who have died would have died in vain. That is all I will say.

 

so you think we should continue an illegal, unwinnable war that will most liklely bring the death count up even higher just so the ones already dead wont have died in vain? so you want more people to die? great theory. even if we did win, Bush and Blair murdered these soldiers.

If we pull out now, I believe it shows weakness and gives the Al-Qaeda reason for more terrorist attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. We will have to let the government win. It just sickens me that alot of the people on this forum seem to be condoning the burning of the poppy etc.

If we pull out now, I believe it shows weakness and gives the Al-Qaeda reason for more terrorist attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. We will have to let the government win. It just sickens me that alot of the people on this forum seem to be condoning the burning of the poppy etc.

Why would it give them reason for more terrorist attacks when the main motivating factor for the majority of Taliban recruitees is that a family member has been killed by a drone attack/bomb from Western forces? :mellow: The top US general has admitted that the vast majority of people killed in Afghanistan are innocent civilians - how is ending that going to cause more terrorist attacks? Al Qaeda don't give a damn about how we live our lives or want to bomb us because we're infidels - their prime motivation (or, at least, the one cited by bin Laden) was the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia, which elicited a reaction amongst them akin to how Catholics would feel if a Saudi army invaded the Vatican City.

 

Are you honestly saying that you're unable to tell the difference between approving of an action and approving of freedom of speech/symbolic action?

Why would it give them reason for more terrorist attacks when the main motivating factor for the majority of Taliban recruitees is that a family member has been killed by a drone attack/bomb from Western forces? :mellow: The top US general has admitted that the vast majority of people killed in Afghanistan are innocent civilians - how is ending that going to cause more terrorist attacks? Al Qaeda don't give a damn about how we live our lives or want to bomb us because we're infidels - their prime motivation (or, at least, the one cited by bin Laden) was the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia, which elicited a reaction amongst them akin to how Catholics would feel if a Saudi army invaded the Vatican City.

 

Are you honestly saying that you're unable to tell the difference between approving of an action and approving of freedom of speech/symbolic action?

 

And yet it wouldn't be free speech if I went on an anti-Islamic Extremist march. It would be racism and I would be arrested and charged.

And yet it wouldn't be free speech if I went on an anti-Islamic Extremist march. It would be racism and I would be arrested and charged.

Erm, no, it WOULD be free speech. That's why the EDL is allowed to march. It would be racism if you went on a march against Muslims, just as it would be if they went on a march against white people.

I'm pretty sure the EDL aren't actually allowed to march?

Sometimes they're allowed to march, and even when they aren't they're allowed to protest, but any other group would be allowed to march - the only reason they aren't allowed to march during their protests is because they tend to cause riots and fights, rather than because of what their viewpoint is.

If we pull out now, I believe it shows weakness and gives the Al-Qaeda reason for more terrorist attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. We will have to let the government win. It just sickens me that alot of the people on this forum seem to be condoning the burning of the poppy etc.

 

Dude, considering we're already "in talks about talks" with the Taliban, it would lead any sensible person to conclude it was pretty much all for nothing, especially when you consider that Karzai is absolutely corrupt and Bin Laden is still out there somewhere making DVDs and laughing his ass off in his cave... Frankly, I saw this coming a mile off, "we dont deal with terrorists", yeah, riiiiiiiggght, of course not, until of course we actually do (*cough cough* IRA *cough*)...

It just feels like the UK goes too far with accepting everyone and everything... what does it take? To kill people before action is taken?

 

THIS so true