Miley Cyrus hasn't done well with her Can't be tamed era. It's a shame because it is actually a very good pop album. Something i thought i would never say about Miley Cyrus.

Corinne Bailey rae

 

What a depressing album though. I mean i know her husband died, but so did her music and possibly her career as far as i am aware of.

She hardly underperformed. I mean, yeah, in comparison to her last album, but do you really think she/her record label expected that album to do well commercially anyway? To be honest, it did better than expected if anything, I didn't think people would even remember her enough for it to even go top five. Sometimes it's not about looking for sales but making the album you want to make at the time... plus it did heaps well for her in other areas (really strong reviews, Mercury Prize nomination etc etc)

 

I don't think you can just compare sales to the last album when deciding these things. Surely it's more about the expectations - which are somewhat based on previous sales in the case of pop artists, but for more alternative artists it's not quite as easy at that IMO... there's so many other factors that come to play: the sound of the album (if someone makes an uncommercial album then it's hardly underperforming if it flops :/), the promotion/general interest prior to the album, level of support from the media etc that can factor into the expectations too.

 

Very obvious underperformers this year are probably Sugababes, Christina Aguilera, Duffy, Alesha Dixon, Joe McElderry... these kind of acts had big expectations placed on them I would imagine and really had no excuse for doing as poorly as they did. A lot of the acts mentioned here probably didn't expect to light up the charts anyway, so (in my opinion) they didn't really underperform.

Um i think you have taken too much into comment. Calm down dude. :)

She underperformed. Of course she wasn't gonna sell a big album like her first. But her first album sold like 4 million copies. The sea has barely sold a million. I don't think it's even sold half a million copies. 4 million for the first album and only less then a million for the first qualifies it as a underperforming.

 

I agree with you excpet for saying that "All the lovers" did just ok. Its been her biggest selling single since Cant get you out of my head. So its done more than ok. Plus acts with over 20 years in the industry and bound to drop massivly sales wise becuase its norm just the harcore fans that buy it.

 

 

Well that's really because her songs since 2001 have not sold well on the whole so beating them was not very high. An for her album not even over 600k world wide really is poor. That is not just to say Kylie has underperformed I think in general established acts are struggling against the like if Lady gage etc, eg Westlife, Mariah Carey and so on.

Um i think you have taken too much into comment. Calm down dude. :)

She underperformed. Of course she wasn't gonna sell a big album like her first. But her first album sold like 4 million copies. The sea has barely sold a million. I don't think it's even sold half a million copies. 4 million for the first album and only less then a million for the first qualifies it as a underperforming.

:mellow: I am calm? I was just replying to your post with my opinion, starting some discussion etc. How you got the idea that I was somehow annoyed is beyond me.

 

And well, you obviously just base these things on previous sales. That's fair enough but I think there's more to it than that. The Sea was such a subtle, incredibly mellow and sombre album that it was never going to do well, and I'm pretty certain that Corinne knew that when she was making it. I mean, she's not stupid/completely ignorant of what sells and what doesn't... plus there was a 4 year gap between her albums which is pretty much murder these days.

Edited December 30, 201014 yr by superbossanova

You came across a little on edge so i was reassuring to say Calm down. Don't take it into offense.

I am not judging it by sales. I know it is more then that. I could easily go into further detail but i realized i would rather have better debates in these forums then over whether corrinne bailey's rae's sales etc.

 

No hard feelings :)

I think for 'The Sea' to do as well as it did was a fairly decent achievement if anything. The type of music was far less likely to engage mass market buyers, and she'd been out of the public eye for about 3 1/2 years. In comparison to acts like the Hoosiers and Kate Nash where the gaps between albums were smaller, they've underperformed on a much greater scale.

 

Joe McElderry is the obvious one of the year, especially in comparison to Olly Murs, along with Christina Aguilera, although I don't think being number one helped her as it exaggerates just how much she flopped.

Well that's really because her songs since 2001 have not sold well on the whole so beating them was not very high. An for her album not even over 600k world wide really is poor. That is not just to say Kylie has underperformed I think in general established acts are struggling against the like if Lady gage etc, eg Westlife, Mariah Carey and so on.

 

I agree. She has underperformed overall but I still consider "All the lovers" to be a big hit. Sadly the 2nd and 3rd single did nothing to support the great start to the campaign that it had with great first weeks sales and highest debut positions worldwide

Christina

Duffy

MCR

Maroon 5

Ting Tings

Scissor Sisters

Linkin Park

Gorillaz

Hoosiers

Kate Nash

Shayne Ward

Tinchy Stryder

 

the list goes on really, although I dont think Kylie flopped, a top 3 hit and a number 1 album isnt bad, its just her other two singles that flopped

 

Diana had a number 1 single and album, I know they fell quickly, but a number 1 is a number 1 (unless its as extreme as Christina's drop) but after that she unfortunately did- even an XF performance of a brand new song couldn't get her into the top 10

Edited December 30, 201014 yr by chart wizard

The common theme seems to be that acts who were popular 2-5 years ago have struggled to capture the hype they had first time round.

 

Acts like Scissor Sisters, Maroon5, Ting Tings, Mika, Duffy...all had great hype with their first albums, and will go down as being some of the 00's most memorable acts. But the public quickly tires and moves on. And in some cases (such as the Scissor Sisters) they simply took too long releasing their 2nd/3rd albums.

 

I agree. She has underperformed overall but I still consider "All the lovers" to be a big hit. Sadly the 2nd and 3rd single did nothing to support the great start to the campaign that it had with great first weeks sales and highest debut positions worldwide

 

I feel she badly needs a new management team/label as they seem to completely mess up her promo.

 

with her last album 'X' they released the one song that didn't really 'fit' with the albums sound (2 Hearts) as the lead-single. Got her some great slots on US TV (Dancing With The Stars etc) but then chose to release the most forgettable song (All I See)

 

this time around the lead-single was good...but then they chose to release a summer song (Get Outta My Way) in September, by which time the weather had turned and the song lost impact as a result.

 

to top the year off they got Kylie an XFactor slot for 'Better Than Today' but then didn't bother to release the song until a month later, again losing all momentum. She managed to perform on XFactor, Children In Need and the Royal Variety, 3 of the biggest shows of the year...but it all seemed out of sync with the songs 'release' date.

 

I don't think the album was her best work, it is pretty forgettable...but her management really screwed it up IMO.

 

I also think she and Christina Aguilera have some big thinking to do about what style they want their next album to be. The public don't seem to have become board at both artists 'Electro-pop' sound, and I think something radical is needed next time round.

 

Gorillaz didn't flop by any means. One of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year, wonderful live reviews and almost platinum sales. It is hardly a commercial album anyway (of what really was commercial in 2010).

 

Sometimes you need to look behind the singles chart. I bet Gorillaz can score hits in the future. True flops like Joe McElderry, Mika, Kate Nash etc probably can't.

 

 

You came across a little on edge so i was reassuring to say Calm down. Don't take it into offense.

I am not judging it by sales. I know it is more then that. I could easily go into further detail but i realized i would rather have better debates in these forums then over whether corrinne bailey's rae's sales etc.

 

No hard feelings :)

Not on edge, though I am a fan of Corinne and the album which is why I jumped on the comment a little bit :P Plus Corinne's album is much more of an interesting case that is worth some discussion - as she completely changed her direction to something that obviously wasn't going to sell compared to most of the other acts mentioned in here who just released a watered down version of previous efforts or just crap material in general.

 

Gorillaz didn't flop by any means. One of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year, wonderful live reviews and almost platinum sales. It is hardly a commercial album anyway (of what really was commercial in 2010).

 

Sometimes you need to look behind the singles chart. I bet Gorillaz can score hits in the future. True flops like Joe McElderry, Mika, Kate Nash etc probably can't.

Agreed. To be honest, how many other acts can sell almost 300k of an album with only one top 40 single?! And the large majority of that near 300k was recorded before Doncamatic hit the top 40 anyway. They've sold incredibly well considering. If Stylo, Superfast Jellyfish and On Melancholy Hill were all top ten hits then, yeah, that'd be hugely disappointing sales, but it's massive sales considering. It's all about perspective, I think. Things aren't always so black and white...

Edited December 30, 201014 yr by superbossanova

I feel she badly needs a new management team/label as they seem to completely mess up her promo.

 

with her last album 'X' they released the one song that didn't really 'fit' with the albums sound (2 Hearts) as the lead-single. Got her some great slots on US TV (Dancing With The Stars etc) but then chose to release the most forgettable song (All I See)

 

this time around the lead-single was good...but then they chose to release a summer song (Get Outta My Way) in September, by which time the weather had turned and the song lost impact as a result.

 

to top the year off they got Kylie an XFactor slot for 'Better Than Today' but then didn't bother to release the song until a month later, again losing all momentum. She managed to perform on XFactor, Children In Need and the Royal Variety, 3 of the biggest shows of the year...but it all seemed out of sync with the songs 'release' date.

 

I don't think the album was her best work, it is pretty forgettable...but her management really screwed it up IMO.

 

I also think she and Christina Aguilera have some big thinking to do about what style they want their next album to be. The public don't seem to have become board at both artists 'Electro-pop' sound, and I think something radical is needed next time round.

 

I agree except for 2 issues you brought up -

 

1) they chose to release a summer song (Get Outta My Way) in September, by which time the weather had turned and the song lost impact as a result.

 

I hardly think the type of weather we had at the time had any impact on the song performance. Why would someone buy a song based on the weather we are having lol. People just didnt like it, simple as.

 

2) I also think she and Christina Aguilera have some big thinking to do about what style they want their next album to be. The public don't seem to have become board at both artists 'Electro-pop' sound, and I think something radical is needed next time round.

 

Kylie has been using the electro-pop sound for most of her latter career. Thank god not to the extremes that some are at the moment, I dont see why she should change at all.

 

Christina has only just startting using that sort of a sound so she def should think more about it even though Bionic was a brilliant album.

Well that's really because her songs since 2001 have not sold well on the whole so beating them was not very high. An for her album not even over 600k world wide really is poor. That is not just to say Kylie has underperformed I think in general established acts are struggling against the like if Lady gage etc, eg Westlife, Mariah Carey and so on.

 

It is at around 750K now I think, definetly over 600K.

LOL only Kylie fans can blame the weather

 

She needs to step outside her electro-dance diva role and record some brilliant songs like I Believe in You, Where the Wild Roses Grow, In Denial etc.

 

Same for Madonna.

LOL only Kylie fans can blame the weather

 

She needs to step outside her electro-dance diva role and record some brilliant songs like I Believe in You, Where the Wild Roses Grow, In Denial etc.

 

Same for Madonna.

 

Which Kylie fan blamed the weather? I certainly didnt and even said it was a silly thing to say so pleased dont band us "kylie fans" as one thank you very much

Which Kylie fan blamed the weather? I certainly didnt and even said it was a silly thing to say so pleased dont band us "kylie fans" as one thank you very much

 

Well Kylie didn't underperform at all imo but if people are claiming so here it definitely did not happen because of the release schedule and songs they chosen for singles. The album just didn't have the smash hit single after All the Lovers.

 

It was just another studio album and those come and go. She'll have hits again.

 

 

 

 

Well Kylie didn't underperform at all imo but if people are claiming so here it definitely did not happen because of the release schedule and songs they chosen for singles. The album just didn't have the smash hit single after All the Lovers.

 

It was just another studio album and those come and go. She'll have hits again.

 

Im not doubting that she will have hits again but there is no getting away from the fact the album is under perform based on her previous albums/singles.

One thing about the release schedule though: she could've released the album in November because as a household name already she could've done #5 peak and 2xp. But she chose #1 album instead. She was never going to have both. The question is: Would her fans have been happier with the first option?

Edited December 30, 201014 yr by SKOB