Just a note, tsetsi - the song at number 20 is "The One That Got Away" by Katy Perry.

I was maybe so shocked from this number one.......or maybe very sleepy ^_^

 

I was maybe so shocked from this number one.......

 

And now it magically disappeared.....a song that spends ONE week on the chart and at NUMBER ONE yet (and this version did practically nothing in Europe).....

Edited December 28, 201113 yr by Jamse

MTV European Top 20 №51/27.12.2011

1. ( 4 ) Rihanna Feat. Calvin Harris - We Found Love

2. ( 3 ) Coldplay - Paradise

3. ( * ) Olly Murs - Dance With Me Tonight

4. ( 5 ) David Guetta & Usher - Without You

5. ( 6 ) Avicii - Levels

6. ( * ) T-Pain Ft. Lily Allen and Wiz Khalifa - 5 o'clock

7. ( 8 ) Flo Rida - Good Feeling

8. ( ** ) Lloyd ft. Andre 3000 - Dedication To My Ex (Miss That)

9. ( 2 ) Lady GaGa - Marry The Night

10. ( 12 ) Bruno Mars - It Will Rain

11. ( 16 ) Rihanna - Man Down

12. ( 7 ) Maroon 5 & Christina Aguilera - Moves Like Jagger

13. ( 10 ) LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It

14. ( 13 ) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Monarchy Of Roses

15. ( 18 ) Gym Class Heroes & Adam Levine - Stereo Hearts

16. ( 11 ) Marlon Roudette - New Age

17. ( 9 ) Adele - Someone Like You

18. ( 20 ) Katy Perry - The One That Got Away

19. ( 14 ) Cobra Starship Ft. Sabi - You Make Me Feel

20. ( 15 ) Lana Del Rey - Video Games

Absolutely ridiculous to see the #1 disappear from the chart...

The inconsistancy of the MTV European Top 20 continues. :D

 

For pure LOL reasons I hope Mariah & Justin re-enter at #1 next week. :lol:

MTV European Top 20 2011

1. ( * ) Adele - Rolling In The Deep

2. ( * ) Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull - On The Floor

3. ( * ) Pitbull feat. Ne-Yo, Nayer & Afrojack - Give Me Everything

4. ( * ) Maroon 5 feat. Christina Aguilera - Moves Like Jagger

5. ( * ) Adele - Someone Like You

6. ( * ) LMFAO feat. Lauren Bennet & Goonrock - Party Rock Anthem

7. ( * ) Katy Perry feat. Kanye West - E.T.

8. ( * ) Katy Perry - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)

9. ( * ) Bruno Mars - Grenade

10. ( * ) Rihanna - Man Down

11. ( * ) Lady GaGa - Born This Way

12. ( * ) Nicky Minaj - Super Bass

13. ( * ) Black Eyed Peas - Just Can't Get Enough

14. ( * ) Black Eyed Peas - Don't Stop The Party

15. ( * ) Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris - We Found Love

16. ( * ) Katy Perry - Firework

17. ( * ) Jessie J feat. B.o.B. - Price Tag

18. ( * ) Martin Solveig & Dragonette - Hello

19. ( * ) Black Eyed Peas - The Time (Dirty Bit)

20. ( * ) Lady GaGa - The Edge Of Glory

Edited January 3, 201213 yr by tsetsi81

I don't think it's that strange that "All I Want For Christmas Is You" left the chart after a single week... After all, Mariah Carey's original also spent a single week in European Top 20 in 1994 (but it debuted a little lower - at number 6)... Such is the fate of Christmas songs, it seems!

I still count MTV European Top 20's editions as coming on Saturday - which means that for me the next edition of the chart would actually be the last one of 2011 - but even so far 2011 has been a record-breaking year! According to Markus Tolksdorf's site (http://ki.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~topsi/mtvtop20.html), there have been 152 different songs in the chart in 2011 - a record beating even the seemingly invincible total of 150 from 1998...

Well, the chart in 2011 was really, really crazy. A couple of editions were copies of other charts (including a copy of the Billboard chart?!), there were weeks with many new entries and re-entries... And "All I Want For Christmas Is You" is not the only song to go out of the chart straight from the top - let's not forget how once both the songs at number 1 and number 2 ("Give Me Everything" and "Party Rock Anthem") went out... only to re-enter in the Top 3 again the following week!

All of this madness was too much even for me a couple of times... But during most of the year I really enjoyed the unpredictability - and, in fact, at times I felt European Top 20 had never been better! Let's hope the chart becomes even more amazing in 2012!

All of this madness was too much even for me a couple of times... But during most of the year I really enjoyed the unpredictability - and, in fact, at times I felt European Top 20 had never been better! Let's hope the chart becomes even more amazing in 2012!

 

There is something that hasen't ever been made clear to me so I thought I'd just ask you directly. Which chart do you prefer - this ET20 or the original ET20 (1991-2009)?

There is something that hasen't ever been made clear to me so I thought I'd just ask you directly. Which chart do you prefer - this ET20 or the original ET20 (1991-2009)?

 

For me personally I'd say I much preferred the MTV European Top 20 (1991-2009) as it was far more acurate and consistant with the popular hits from across Europe. It's gone rapidly downhill ever since and if people want to believe the charts were "exciting" throughout 2011 then so be it. I think the charts throughout 2011 have been embarrassing.

 

How can anyone justify a song dropping out from #1 only to re-enter at #2 two weeks later?

The end of this clip reveals that the chart is dated 890926 as Philippe Lafontaine with "Coeur de loup" enters the chart at No. 17 climbing from No. 28 (not 29 as it says in my earlier post).

 

No way :o Coeur de loup was an ET20 hit? Love that song :wub:

Jamse, I prefer to review MTV European Top 20 year by year. I started watching the chart in 2000 so of course I loved the chart then. I loved it in 2001 as well (although I probably felt it wasn't quite as good as in 2000)... When I found Markus Tolksdorf's archive dating back to 1991, I realized the chart had been even more interesting before - there had been weeks with more than three new entries, re-entries... I was so sad I had missed those wonderful times! 1998 was an absolutely crazy year with some completely unpredictable movements and many, many entries... 1993 was another dynamic and very interesting year, also 1995, 1999... 1992 felt somewhat strange to me, 1994 was OK and 1996 and 1997 seemed to be less interesting than the other years, but the 90's as a whole looked like a great time for European Top 20! I just hoped someday I would experience something as exciting as 1998...

Since 2002 I noticed that the chart was getting slower and slower... and very predictable. There were just 8 number ones in 2002... The total of new entries in each year was much lower than in the 90's... 2003-2004 was the worst period for the chart, I think. In 2003, the highest debut for the whole year was at number 12! There were just 5 reclimbs during the whole year and each song was guaranteed at least 7 weeks in the chart and a peak position of at least number 14! That predictability was torturing me... Not to mention that there were weeks without any new entries! In 2005 things started to get better somehow, but not by too much. 2006 was similar to 2005... but at least there was a re-entry in the chart - something that hadn't happened since 1999!

...And then came the bliss. 2007 was everything I had wished for - weeks with many new entries, re-entries, big movements, songs entering the chart if they were doing well across Europe in spite of not being released in the UK... The best year of the 2000's by far and the only one to equal the greatness of the 90's. 2008 was good but nowhere near the previous year...

2009 didn't start well... and then the way European Top 20 was made changed drastically. The new European Top 20 was basically a copy of the Eurochart. On the one hand, at least the songs that were doing well in Europe were doing well in European Top 20 as well. But I wanted MTV Europe to have an original chart, not a copy of another chart. Also, I disagree with the big influence the UK, French and German singles chart have on the Eurochart. There were many weeks in 2009 when songs that were doing well only in the UK were debuting in the Top 10 of European Top 20... As a whole, I wasn't happy with the chart but I thought things could improve.

2010 was better. Not all UK-only hits made it to European Top 20 and there were weeks when the chart didn't copy the Eurochart...

And then at the end of 2010 the Eurochart stopped. So European Top 20 couldn't copy it anymore. Which meant that in 2011 MTV Europe had an original chart again! Well, with several exceptions that I have mentioned before... But for the most part, for me 2011 resembled the greatness of the 90's (especially 1998)! I think I can say in my opinion it was better than any other year of the 21st century apart from 2007.

 

Hitstastic, European Top 20 has never been completely accurate - there have been huge hits in Europe that haven't charted here at all while some songs had great success in European Top 20 without doing well anywhere in Europe... I think the chart was most inaccurate in the middle of the 2000's and the beginning of 2009 - for example, "She Wants To Move" by N*E*R*D* reached number 2, "Walk Idiot Walk" by The Hives - number 3...

Hitstastic, European Top 20 has never been completely accurate - there have been huge hits in Europe that haven't charted here at all while some songs had great success in European Top 20 without doing well anywhere in Europe... I think the chart was most inaccurate in the middle of the 2000's and the beginning of 2009 - for example, "She Wants To Move" by N*E*R*D* reached number 2, "Walk Idiot Walk" by The Hives - number 3...

 

You're correct, as I know there have been several big European hits which failed to make the MTV European Top 20 for some reason (2003 being a prime example of this). Personally, I enjoyed the show more throughout the 90s. In my teenage years in the early/mid 90s, this chart was refreshing as it allowed me to hear music from other countries that was never released in the UK.

The initial presentation of the "new" ET20 in April 2009 was reasonably accurate and more representative of the continents biggest hits and I believe is the only way it was better than the original ET20 (1991-2009) at that time. However I think that the flow of the chart, the continuity as well as it's consistency is equally as important when compiling the European Top 20. I wouldn't mind strange links or awkward chart-runs ocassionally but they must remain within acceptable constraints. The "new" ET20 has been very week in this area and now in addition to that the European hits are not quite accurately represnted in the countdown which is why I still prefer the original chart to this "new" one.

 

Let me illustrate my view-point by reviewing last years ET20. This chart has shocked us on many occasions throught the year primarily because of it's incessant incontinuity. The year began with a very awkward chart on January 25th with inappropriate entries; a direct copy of the Billboard Hot 100 (and MTV denying it after confrontation) in April; the removal of all Top 3 hits in a chart in August, the cancellation of a chart due to the EMAs in November, the entry of an unsuccessful song at the top of the chart which fails the chart the week after (December) etc. These are a few examples of what makes this version of the ET20 lose value in my opinion.

 

I would like to see the following changes in the chart in the future:

 

1) The chart-runs and links for the different songs must become more sensible and an awkward chart run shouldn't at worst exceed the domains of the original ET20 (1991-2009).

 

2) The chart flow needs improvement and this can be attained when the chart-runs and links have become more appropriate so that it doesn't feel like the weekly charts are being compiled by different people on a week-to-week basis. When this is fixed the major incontinuity which this chart has suffered from over the course of last year will be eliminated.

 

3) The chart needs more appropriate entries and in the right positions on the countdown. I wouldn't mind less successful songs charting but shouldn't be anywhere near the top parts of the chart or specifically the No. 1. However songs that haven't preformed anywhere in Europe should be excluded from the countdown completely.

 

4) Overall compilation of the weekly charts shouldn't be based on any other existent chart but rather be independently compiled by MTV themselves (and I know they have the resources to do so). When this is fixed then the consistency of the chart will be restored.

Or you can just simply follow THIS chart instead. :D (shameless plug :lol: )

Don't worry, Hitstastic, I'm following your chart - in fact, each week I'm checking how similar it is to MTV European Top 20!

 

Jamse, I agree with almost everything you have written - in fact, I was thinking previously about writing what needs to be improved about the chart and it's very similar to your demands. I'll comment on each one of them:

 

1-well, I agree to a certain extent that the chart runs should be more "sensible" but they shouldn't be boring and predictable. While the yo-yoing of "Party Rock Anthem" between number 2 and number 13 was a bit too much, I love it when you can never be sure at what position a song is going to be next week. 1998 was the craziest from the "old" era in this regard and 2011 was certainly crazier. I think the right amount of craziness is somewhere between 1998 and 2011.

 

2-yes, you have said it quite well - the chart shouldn't look like it was made by different people each week. While I want unpredictability, there should also be a continuity from week to week.

 

3-I agree completely - ALL of the biggest hits across Europe should appear in European Top 20; it's a nice variety when less successful songs enter the chart as well but the should stay at lower positions.

 

4-again, I'm 100% with you - the chart shouldn't be based on any other chart.

 

It seems to me that we have very similar opinions... It's just that you have bigger problems with the inconsistency. While I disapprove of all the strange occasions during the year that you mentioned, if you don't take them into consideration, I think 2011 was fantastic!