Posted July 26, 200619 yr Israeli bomb kills UN observers Israel had hit Khiam a number of times earlier on Tuesday Four United Nations observers have been killed in an Israeli air strike on an observation post in south Lebanon. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "shocked" at the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the post. Israel has expressed "deep regret". Israel earlier said it would control an area in southern Lebanon until international forces deployed. The force will be discussed at international crisis talks to be held in Rome on Wednesday. The meeting is being attended by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Mr Annan, as well as foreign ministers and top officials from five European and four Arab countries. BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall said the Italian prime minister and others believe a quick ceasefire to be the main priority. But the US and Britain will not push for a ceasefire unless root causes of the conflict are addressed, she adds. The summit will take place without a delegation from Israel. Observers sheltering Ms Rice will attend the talks after ending her tour of the Middle East on Tuesday. More than 380 Lebanese and 42 Israelis have died in nearly two weeks of conflict in Lebanon, which began after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July. The UN in Lebanon says the Israeli air force destroyed the post, in which four military observers were sheltering. People in Tyre describe life under Israeli bombings In pictures It said the four, from Austria, Canada, China and Finland, had taken shelter in a bunker under the post after it was earlier shelled 14 times by Israeli artillery. A rescue team was also shelled as it tried to clear the rubble. "I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN Observer post in southern Lebanon," Mr Annan said in a statement from Rome. Unifil has been operational in the border area since 1978 and is currently 2,000 strong. Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has vowed the group will continue its rocket attacks on Israel. Mr Nasrallah told Hezbollah's al-Manar television that the militant group would fire rockets deeper into Israel and would counter any Israeli advance into southern Lebanon, and criticised what he called an Israeli-US plan for a "new Middle East". "There is no way that we can accept any humiliating conditions on us, our people or our country... especially after all these sacrifices... we are open to political discussions and solutions with flexibility, but the dignity and national interest is a red line." In other military action: The Israeli army said it had killed a senior Hezbollah commander, Abu Jaafar, in fighting in southern Lebanon Mid-East crisis map New force for peace? Press scrutinises Rice trip Earlier the UN said Israeli forces were now in control of the town of Bint Jbeil after fierce fighting and were moving on the village of Yaroun to the south Israel resumed air raids on Beirut, with explosions heard in southern suburbs - a Hezbollah stronghold Hezbollah fired more Katyusha rockets into Israel, killing a 15-year-old Arab-Israeli girl in the northern Israeli village of Maghar and striking Haifa with a large salvo Hezbollah said 27 of its fighters had been killed as of Monday, but the Israeli military said it had killed "some dozens". Truce call Earlier, Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz had said a "security zone" in southern Lebanon would be maintained "under the control of our forces if there is not a multinational force". Hezbollah has maintained its rocket fire into Haifa He said: "We have no other option. We have to build a new security strip that will be a cover for our forces." He did not specify whether Israeli troops would remain there but insisted they would "continue to control [Hezbollah]" in their operations. Israeli government sources have estimated the width of the zone at anything from three to 10km (1.9-6.2 miles). An unnamed Israeli official quoted by Reuters news agency said between 10,000 and 20,000 international peacekeepers would be needed. BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson says Israeli details on the zone - and how it will be secured - are far from clear. Israel is acting with tremendous restraint, were they targeting civilian populations there would be thousands upon thousands dead Steve Gross, US Send your comments Saudis' $1.5bn offer Haifa's Arabs tested He says it is possible Mr Peretz is trying to put pressure on the international community to deliver the peacekeeping force. Earlier, Ms Rice met Israeli PM Ehud Olmert and later Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Mr Abbas called for an immediate end to "aggression against the Gaza Strip and the West Bank" and for an "immediate ceasefire" in Lebanon. Ms Rice said the only solution was a sustainable and enduring peace. Her words were reinforced later by US President George W Bush who said: "I support a sustainable ceasefire that will bring about an end to violence... Our mission and our goal is to have a lasting peace, not a temporary peace." In his meeting with Ms Rice, Mr Olmert said he was "very conscious" of the humanitarian needs of Lebanon's civilians, but insisted Israel was defending itself against terrorism. Source - BBC News I'm sick of this lying bullsh!t from these bloody Israelis... Olmert spouting his weasel words of "regret"... Facts are, UN personnel were shelled FOURTEEN TIMES and then hit by an air-strike and then the clean-up crews were hit by air-strikes again.... Accidental my arse.... <_< If this had been Saddam Hussein or Hamas or Hizbollah who had done this, I dont think we'd be very accepting of feeble and pathetic "excuses", we'd be on their asses like a ton of bricks (but of course the facts are that neither the Palestinians nor Saddam EVER targeted or killed UN personnel, UN refugee camps or Foreign aid workers, the Israelis however have a habit of doing this and have done so numerous times in the past....). Time for a 'regime change' in Israel methinks.....
July 26, 200619 yr I very much doubt the Israeli's deliberately targeted them knowing they were UN inspectors I am sure it was an attempt to blow up terrorists and there was just some wrong intelligence or something, sad of course but ultimately collateral damage in the quest for Israel's right to protect its national security and its borders, if Hezbollah were not shelling and sending rockets into Israeli cities then this sort of thing would not be happening, Hezbollah are to blame for this In terms of targetting civillians the experts are Blair and Bush who deliberately targeted civillian areas of Baghdad in "shock and awe" killing 20,000 innocent Iraqis because they wanted to scare the Iraqi population into rising up against Saddam Hussein, that to me was the biggest war crime since WW2 so while this UN inspectors thing was in my opinion a tragic accident more innocent lives will be lost undoubtedly unless Hezbollah stop sending rockets into Haifa etc. The onus is on Hezbollah to sort this out
July 26, 200619 yr isreal wouldnt stop,... they have an inbuilt hatered for any 'non-jew', and as they are gods chosen people <_< , they of course are right to be this way.... i dont believe it was an accident, they did it because they could. blair and bush wont codemn isreals actions, they cant, they have too many jewish people in politics/business proping up their governments. can you imagine...... lets swap every jewish person in parliament/politics, for a devout muslim.... bet iraq would never have been invaded in the manner that it was.... and i bet we would now be threatening isreal!!! lol.
July 26, 200619 yr Author isreal wouldnt stop,... they have an inbuilt hatered for any 'non-jew', and as they are gods chosen people <_< , they of course are right to be this way.... i dont believe it was an accident, they did it because they could. blair and bush wont codemn isreals actions, they cant, they have too many jewish people in politics/business proping up their governments. can you imagine...... lets swap every jewish person in parliament/politics, for a devout muslim.... bet iraq would never have been invaded in the manner that it was.... and i bet we would now be threatening isreal!!! lol. 100% in agreement with that mate....
July 26, 200619 yr isreal wouldnt stop,... they have an inbuilt hatered for any 'non-jew', and as they are gods chosen people <_< , they of course are right to be this way.... i dont believe it was an accident, they did it because they could. blair and bush wont codemn isreals actions, they cant, they have too many jewish people in politics/business proping up their governments. can you imagine...... lets swap every jewish person in parliament/politics, for a devout muslim.... bet iraq would never have been invaded in the manner that it was.... and i bet we would now be threatening isreal!!! lol. I am confused Rob, are you suggesting that the Israelis just sit there and take it while Hezbollah repeatedly launches rocket attacks against Israeli cities ? should they just sit back while Hezbollah do it ? Hezbollah started all this by launching 9 rockets into Haifa killing many Israeli civilians then abducting its soldiers I am in full support of the Israeli's over this although the death of those UN guys was unfortunate
July 26, 200619 yr Author I am confused Rob, are you suggesting that the Israelis just sit there and take it while Hezbollah repeatedly launches rocket attacks against Israeli cities ? should they just sit back while Hezbollah do it ? Hezbollah started all this by launching 9 rockets into Haifa killing many Israeli civilians then abducting its soldiers I am in full support of the Israeli's over this although the death of those UN guys was unfortunate Unfortunate my arse! Just in case you aint been keeping up with what's been going on mate, it transpires that UN positions are CLEARLY indicated on all Israeli intelligence and military maps, when the shelling started there were repeated calls made by the UN on the ground to Israeli army to stop the shelling, these calls were ignored and the bombing continued.... So, UN positions clearly known to the Israelis, precision-guided bombs used by Israel to hit UN positions.... Mistake my arse, murder, pure and simple..... <_< The UN aint the ones bombing Israeli cities, there is absolutely NO DEFENCE for this act of murder (not my opinion by the way, but Kofi Annan's as well...) on UN personnel whatsoever.... They did it to try and stop the UN from sending a buffer force into South Lebanon which would have totally buggered up Israel's imperialistic, land-grabbing ambitions. Israel = Rogue State in my book....
July 26, 200619 yr I am confused Rob, are you suggesting that the Israelis just sit there and take it while Hezbollah repeatedly launches rocket attacks against Israeli cities ? should they just sit back while Hezbollah do it ? Hezbollah started all this by launching 9 rockets into Haifa killing many Israeli civilians then abducting its soldiers I am in full support of the Israeli's over this although the death of those UN guys was unfortunate the situation is an ongoing one and didnt start with any rocket attack, that was just 1 incident in an ongoing war. ok... say i accept that israel had to retaliate... dont you think that the intensity of israeli bombing is way ott?... couldnt they have gone to the un? negociate? nah... israelis hate palestinians and vice versa, the situation is dire because dispite their religion, they chose violence.
July 26, 200619 yr Author the situation is an ongoing one and didnt start with any rocket attack, that was just 1 incident in an ongoing war. ok... say i accept that israel had to retaliate... dont you think that the intensity of israeli bombing is way ott?... couldnt they have gone to the un? negociate? nah... israelis hate palestinians and vice versa, the situation is dire because dispite their religion, they chose violence. As far as I'm concerned, the day Israel deliberately kills UN personnel should be the day that punitive sanctions should be targeted against Israel... But you're right, it wont happen, US and UK are so far up Israel's arse they'll just block any moves to do it.... Hmmm, US, UK, Israel? A second Axis of Evil anyone....?
July 26, 200619 yr I wont go into the debate because I've read quite a few of the threads on the middle-east & to be honest Grimly Fiendish's opinions are close to the truth. But what Israel did today was an absolute act of War. To murder four UN personnel after they phoned 6 times in a 7.5 Hour period prior to their bombing was no accident IMHO. They can have no excuse to call it an accident & for the USA & UK to accept Israel's excuses will be unforgiveable. What Israel are doing in the Lebanon is the greatest recruitment campaign that Osama Bin Laden could wish for.
July 26, 200619 yr Author What Israel are doing in the Lebanon is the greatest recruitment campaign that Osama Bin Laden could wish for. Absolutely. I predict more suicide bombings in London, more death, more horror on our streets...
July 26, 200619 yr Tragic accidents occur in war situations when on a high alert footing, remember many of those Israeli soldiers are conscripts and kids on national service and are not trained military tacticians, a message can get lost, a radio signal can be misinterpreted at ground level, I very much doubt that they set after the UN guys deliberately, what does it gain ? what is the motive ? Olmert is a career politician he would no way authorise such an action, Israel has the firepower to turn the whole of Lebanon to rubble so why would it choose to attack the UN instead of Hezbollah ? Accidents happen, the yanks have killed hundreds of allied soldiers and peacekeeping troops in "friendly fire", is that murder or a communications **** up ? they destroyed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade when intelligence told them it was a weapons factory, they shot down an Iranian 747 when intelligence told them there was a spy plane in the region, are those incidents murder too ?? they are just tragic **** ups as is this
July 26, 200619 yr I'm supporting Israel here. Although I didn't know much of the stuff leading up to this war, I have been watching CNN lots on holiday whenever I was in my hotel room as it was the only English speaking channel! So I now know more :) and I want Israel to win because although Hezbollah are providing Lebanon with schools and shiz they are a constant threat to the rest of the world, the amount of people they have kidnapped - and some tortured - is horrendous. If Hezbollah didn't exist the world would be a better place.
July 27, 200619 yr I'm supporting Israel here. Although I didn't know much of the stuff leading up to this war, I have been watching CNN lots on holiday whenever I was in my hotel room as it was the only English speaking channel! So I now know more :) and I want Israel to win because although Hezbollah are providing Lebanon with schools and shiz they are a constant threat to the rest of the world, the amount of people they have kidnapped - and some tortured - is horrendous. If Hezbollah didn't exist the world would be a better place. cnn?.... lol... soooo... a totally unbiased view then! and what about the muslim prisoners, including women and children that israel are holding indefinately?.. if israel didnt exist the world would be a better place! truth is, they are both as bad as eachother, however israel get away with it as they have western backing, western backing due to all the jewish people in our governments. like i said earlier... if all the jews in our government were substituted for muslims, we would be backing hezbollah against israel... we would probably have invaded israel, just like we did iraq.
July 27, 200619 yr cnn?.... lol... soooo... a totally unbiased view then! and what about the muslim prisoners, including women and children that israel are holding indefinately?.. if israel didnt exist the world would be a better place! truth is, they are both as bad as eachother, however israel get away with it as they have western backing, western backing due to all the jewish people in our governments. like i said earlier... if all the jews in our government were substituted for muslims, we would be backing hezbollah against israel... we would probably have invaded israel, just like we did iraq. If none of them existed the world would be a better place... actually come to think of it if the Middle East didn't exist the world would be a better place. -_- All the world's problems relate to them somehow :angry: and I didn't know much about the people Israel are holding, I just watched this documentary on Hezbollah :lol: so maybe they are biased!
July 27, 200619 yr Author If none of them existed the world would be a better place... actually come to think of it if the Middle East didn't exist the world would be a better place. -_- All the world's problems relate to them somehow :angry: and I didn't know much about the people Israel are holding, I just watched this documentary on Hezbollah :lol: so maybe they are biased! The coverage of CNN and Fox news is as jaundiced and biased as Al Jazeera. Look to our own BBC for a more balanced reportage. BBC is publically funded, therefore does not carry sponsorship or arse-lick to big business interests....
July 27, 200619 yr The coverage of CNN and Fox news is as jaundiced and biased as Al Jazeera. Look to our own BBC for a more balanced reportage. BBC is publically funded, therefore does not carry sponsorship or arse-lick to big business interests.... BBC has always been anti Israel and is basically the broadcasting equivalent of The Guardian There was a case a few years back where the BBC claimed 300+ Palestinians had been killed in an operation to bulldoze homes of Palestinians in some refugee camp and then even the UN's own investigation concluded that 9 Palestinians had died
July 27, 200619 yr BBC has always been anti Israel and is basically the broadcasting equivalent of The Guardian thats a plus point then craig! :) anyway its not true, the bbc has been headed by several people of jewish extraction...lord grade, alan yentob,to name but 2. i would suggest that if anything the bbc were biased towards israel.
July 27, 200619 yr Author BBC has always been anti Israel and is basically the broadcasting equivalent of The Guardian Well, that just recommends it even more then to be honest.... :lol: Anti-Israel? What tosh... They just aint Pro Israel....
July 27, 200619 yr thats a plus point then craig! :) anyway its not true, the bbc has been headed by several people of jewish extraction...lord grade, alan yentob,to name but 2. i would suggest that if anything the bbc were biased towards israel. I am still fascinated to know who these jews are that dominate the cabinet though ;)
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