July 27, 200618 yr Author I am still fascinated to know who these jews are that dominate the cabinet though ;) I dont think it's so much Jews in Cabinet, it's the unelected, undemocratic Pro-Zionist Pressure groups who contribute vast sums of money to Political Parties and influence the corridors of power that are the problem.... "Lord Levy"...? One pretty good example. Gave "loans" to Nu Labour, got a Peerage for his trouble.... Let's scrutinise where this man's interests really lie.....
July 27, 200618 yr true there arnt so many in the labour cabinet, the tories though...lol.. micheal howard, that letwin guy, if they had won the last election we would have jews as prime minister and deputy..... acceptable? yes? i bet if howard and letwin were muslim it would have been all hell let lose! they wouldnt have been elected. this is my gripe.... jews are white, they are accepted. muslims arnt, they wouldnt be accepted. im begining to think that only BRITISH C OF E people should be elected to parliament, then they would truely reprisent the feelings of real brittain!....lol..
July 27, 200618 yr Author micheal howard, that letwin guy, if they had won the last election we would have jews as prime minister and deputy..... acceptable? yes? i bet if howard and letwin were muslim it would have been all hell let lose! they wouldnt have been elected. this is my gripe.... jews are white, they are accepted. muslims arnt, they wouldnt be accepted. im begining to think that only BRITISH C OF E people should be elected to parliament, then they would truely reprisent the feelings of real brittain!....lol.. First point, I totally agree with, but your second I dont at all. The Church of England hardly represents the feelings of the majority of Great Britain :lol: seeing as how church attendences are plummeting year after year and the majority of people in GB dont even attend church on a regular basis.... But yeah, there is a great discrepancy that Jews seem to be more acceptable than Muslims purely on the basis of skin colour, it's racist....
July 27, 200618 yr Author Tragic accidents occur in war situations when on a high alert footing, remember many of those Israeli soldiers are conscripts and kids on national service and are not trained military tacticians, a message can get lost, a radio signal can be misinterpreted at ground level, I very much doubt that they set after the UN guys deliberately, what does it gain ? what is the motive ? Olmert is a career politician he would no way authorise such an action, Israel has the firepower to turn the whole of Lebanon to rubble so why would it choose to attack the UN instead of Hezbollah ? Accidents happen, the yanks have killed hundreds of allied soldiers and peacekeeping troops in "friendly fire", is that murder or a communications **** up ? they destroyed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade when intelligence told them it was a weapons factory, they shot down an Iranian 747 when intelligence told them there was a spy plane in the region, are those incidents murder too ?? they are just tragic **** ups as is this Oh, I'm really gettng sick of this disgusting hypocrisy to be honest... Let's face it, if this was Saddam Hussein "Accidentally" firing a rocket against the UN weapons inspection team, we wouldn't be sitting here pontificating about it; even Kofi Annan would be on the blower to Bush saying "bugger the second resolution George, get the b/astard....".... And if this had been Hezbollah who'd "accidentally" fired one of their rockets on the UN observers, YOU sure as hell wouldn't be talking about "collateral damage" or "mistakes happen in war" would you....? Mind you, it aint just you, the craven cowardice of Margaret Beckett yesterday told all, she was blustering on, saying "well, I only just heard about it..." (Christ love, where had YOU been all fukkin' day..? Mars??) and saying "well, this is a matter for the UN to deal with...". Holy sh!t dear, sit on the fence anymore, you'll get a splinter up yer arse..... The point is, everyone in the international scene tiptoes around these bloody precious Israelis and nobody has the balls to actually challenge them, they always get the benefit of the doubt. We've been giving these b/astards the benefit of the doubt for the past 60-odd years. Is it gonna take the fukkers using a NUKE against a civilian population before we see them for the murderers and imperialists that they are....?
July 27, 200618 yr Oh, I'm really gettng sick of this disgusting hypocrisy to be honest... Let's face it, if this was Saddam Hussein "Accidentally" firing a rocket against the UN weapons inspection team, we wouldn't be sitting here pontificating about it; even Kofi Annan would be on the blower to Bush saying "bugger the second resolution George, get the b/astard....".... And if this had been Hezbollah who'd "accidentally" fired one of their rockets on the UN observers, YOU sure as hell wouldn't be talking about "collateral damage" or "mistakes happen in war" would you....? Mind you, it aint just you, the craven cowardice of Margaret Beckett yesterday told all, she was blustering on, saying "well, I only just heard about it..." (Christ love, where had YOU been all fukkin' day..? Mars??) and saying "well, this is a matter for the UN to deal with...". Holy sh!t dear, sit on the fence anymore, you'll get a splinter up yer arse..... The point is, everyone in the international scene tiptoes around these bloody precious Israelis and nobody has the balls to actually challenge them, they always get the benefit of the doubt. We've been giving these b/astards the benefit of the doubt for the past 60-odd years. Is it gonna take the fukkers using a NUKE against a civilian population before we see them for the murderers and imperialists that they are....? I don't blindly follow everything that Bush and Blair say, infact I have consistently probably been the most anti Bush/Blair/Iraq war person on this board and CC but however I support what they say on this occasion The Israelis don't deliberately target civilians, Hezbollah just position themselves in civilian areas, there have been reports of manned missile silos at hospitals and schools etc so the blood is on the hands of Hezbollah, Israel's first duty and rightly so is to its national security and the security of its civilians are of the most importance to them, if Hezbollah commanders are shacked up in schools and hospitals then faced with a choice of leaving the terrorists to reign missiles on Israel from the grounds of the hospital or blowing the hospital to kingdom come in order to protect Israeli lives then sadly the hospital has to go, Hezbollah are to blame not Israel, they get their nice little headline in Al Jazeera and lily livered anti semetic piece from John Pilger of women and children blown up but are the ones who are really to blame in the first place Israel have had nukes for 25 years if they wanted to use nukes they have had ample opportunity to do so
July 28, 200618 yr Author The Israelis don't deliberately target civilians Yeah, right, tell that to the family of the British Aid worker in Palestine assassinated by an Israeli soldier while he was saving the life of a Palestinian child. Israel dont target civilians eh? Fukkin' Bollocks.... <_< And just because they aint used a Nuke yet doesn't mean they wont....
July 28, 200618 yr Author I watch ITV News anyway, so I will listen to whatever they say now ^_^ ITN are pretty honest, but watch C4 news instead (it's done by ITN as well, but goes more in depth and tends to be a bit more critical than the ITN news on ITV...)
July 28, 200618 yr Yeah, right, tell that to the family of the British Aid worker in Palestine assassinated by an Israeli soldier while he was saving the life of a Palestinian child. Israel dont target civilians eh? Fukkin' Bollocks.... <_< And just because they aint used a Nuke yet doesn't mean they wont.... Rare cases by 1 rogue soldier, that can happen in any army, British and American soldiers have shot and killed many innocent civilians in Iraq at roadblocks etc so trigger happy soldiers happen in every military but I do not believe that targetting non terrorist civilians is a policy that is handed down from the cabinet Also you assume that Palestinian kids are angelic, I have seen many instances of Palestinian kids hanging around with automatic weapons and others throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers etc Israel has a right to put to death terrorists that are a threat to the security of Israel, sadly in some instances innocents can get caught in the crossfire but the terrorist has to be killed as he is a danger to Israeli lives even if others might get killed in the process, if the terrorist is spared then he might end up in the future killing dozens of Israeli civilians in a suicide bus bomb etc, accidents happen and in rare instances rogue soldiers play Dirty Harry but the terrorists must be killed come what may
July 28, 200618 yr Author Also you assume that Palestinian kids are angelic, I have seen many instances of Palestinian kids hanging around with automatic weapons and others throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers etc Oh, well, let's do a King Herod then eh? Put them all to death just for chucking a few rocks at heavily armed Israeli soldiers who are in ruddy tanks..... <_< I just cannot believe the shizz you're spouting man, you make all the excuses in the world for Israeli aggression and them killing innocent people, illegally attacking sovereign nations, undermining democratically elected Govts both in Lebanon (who have nowt to do with Hezbollah by the way...) and the occupied territories, then imply that it's okay to shoot at Palestinian kids because they're "not that angelic". Plenty of kids over here aint all that angelic either, does that mean we just let the bloody army shoot them all then eh...? Nobody in this country would tolerate that... If Israeli soldiers dont want rocks thrown at them, then the answer is simple - sod off out of Arab land, it's pretty clear the locals dont want the fukkers there.... I dont get you at all man, just why the hell is it you've got more sympathy for the oppressors than for the oppressed....? It seems pretty obvious to me the Israelis see the Palestinians in pretty much the same way that the British saw the Indians and the Africans during the "glory days" of the bloody Empire.....
July 28, 200618 yr I see Israel as the OPPRESSED Hezbollah started all this by abducting soldiers, sinking an Israeli warship and firing rockets into Israeli cities, they instigated this Scott the Israeli's were quietly minding their own business when next thing they are attacked so as far as I am concerned Israel is acting in self defence and it is in their interests of national security to go after Hezbollah and its commanders and kill/arrest them With the incapacity of Ariel Sharon Hezbollah saw Olmert as a soft touch and tried to take advantage of the power vacuum left by Sharon but they totally underestimated the steel and resolve of Olmert I think going after Hezbollah terrorists is a legitimate action, the Israeli's are right to seek to create a buffer zone in Southern Lebanon to protect its territory Hezbollah started this they are the oppressors and Israel are the oppressed
July 28, 200618 yr Author I see Israel as the OPPRESSED Hezbollah started all this by abducting soldiers, sinking an Israeli warship and firing rockets into Israeli cities, they instigated this Scott the Israeli's were quietly minding their own business when next thing they are attacked so as far as I am concerned Israel is acting in self defence and it is in their interests of national security to go after Hezbollah and its commanders and kill/arrest them With the incapacity of Ariel Sharon Hezbollah saw Olmert as a soft touch and tried to take advantage of the power vacuum left by Sharon but they totally underestimated the steel and resolve of Olmert I think going after Hezbollah terrorists is a legitimate action, the Israeli's are right to seek to create a buffer zone in Southern Lebanon to protect its territory Hezbollah started this they are the oppressors and Israel are the oppressed :lol: :lol: That's almost funny mate. How can Israel be the oppressed when they have the superior firepower, nuclear arms, the strongest army in the region, etc, etc. And you totally ignore 20th century history - it was the Isrealis who started chucking Palestinians off their land, making them into refugees in their own country, displacing them into surrounding countries, bulldozing their homes, allowing "settlers" to basically grab what they wanted, building huge great walls to fence in the Palestinians and basically create the sort of ghettoes that Hitler created against the Jews in Europe. Israel the oppressed? Laughable.... I've got quite a few Jewish mates and they would find your claims utterly laughable as well. And you fail to take into account that it was Israel who 'started it' by illegally imprisoning thousands of Arabs over a period of 25 fukkin' years. Hamas and Hezbollah are perfectly entitled to take some Israelis prisoner as retaliation. The Israelis have never 'minded their own business' as you put it, ever since the beginnings of their murderous, imperialistic ambitions, they've shat upon the Arab race and are now seem unbelievably shocked as to why everyone in the region hates them, they seem to think the natives should be grateful to these arrogant, self-proclaimed "God's chosen ones" for sh!tting all over them for 60-odd years.... I suppose next you'll be telling me that the British Empire was "oppressed" by African Zulus chucking spears at them (because in terms of the disparity between Israel and Hezbollah in terms of military capabilities that is pretty much what it amounts to...) because they didnt much like us coming in and nicking all the land or mineral wealth (how dare these bloody savages not be grateful to us for trying to "civilise" them...), or by Ghandi and his followers in India.... Israel has no right to carve itself land out of another sovereign nation. Hmmm, well, we're seeing a possible motive for the murder of the UN personnel arent we....? The UN wanted to create a UN-controlled buffer zone in South Lebanon as well.. Then four of their observers get blown up "by accident".... Hmmmmmm..... <_<
July 28, 200618 yr :lol: :lol: That's almost funny mate. How can Israel be the oppressed when they have the superior firepower, nuclear arms, the strongest army in the region, etc, etc. And you totally ignore 20th century history - it was the Isrealis who started chucking Palestinians off their land, making them into refugees in their own country, displacing them into surrounding countries, bulldozing their homes, allowing "settlers" to basically grab what they wanted, building huge great walls to fence in the Palestinians and basically create the sort of ghettoes that Hitler created against the Jews in Europe. Israel the oppressed? Laughable.... I've got quite a few Jewish mates and they would find your claims utterly laughable as well. And you fail to take into account that it was Israel who 'started it' by illegally imprisoning thousands of Arabs over a period of 25 fukkin' years. Hamas and Hezbollah are perfectly entitled to take some Israelis prisoner as retaliation. The Israelis have never 'minded their own business' as you put it, ever since the beginnings of their murderous, imperialistic ambitions, they've shat upon the Arab race and are now seem unbelievably shocked as to why everyone in the region hates them, they seem to think the natives should be grateful to these arrogant, self-proclaimed "God's chosen ones" for sh!tting all over them for 60-odd years.... I suppose next you'll be telling me that the British Empire was "oppressed" by African Zulus chucking spears at them (because in terms of the disparity between Israel and Hezbollah in terms of military capabilities that is pretty much what it amounts to...) because they didnt much like us coming in and nicking all the land or mineral wealth (how dare these bloody savages not be grateful to us for trying to "civilise" them...), or by Ghandi and his followers in India.... Israel has no right to carve itself land out of another sovereign nation. Hmmm, well, we're seeing a possible motive for the murder of the UN personnel arent we....? The UN wanted to create a UN-controlled buffer zone in South Lebanon as well.. Then four of their observers get blown up "by accident".... Hmmmmmm..... <_< totally agreed scott..
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