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I don't think anyone has even a distant idea of what you're talking about, 'ESC Expert' :(

 

:rolleyes: i mean the European Union my friend ,i made a small mistake sorry :naughty:

OK lets make the things more clear,

This is a prediction topic for the esc of 2011,

and i predict that, its FRANCE turn to win the contest,not because of the song but as GERMANY won last year,

and i also strengthen my opinium , showing you the proves of how germany won .

Yes, but what on earth was your point on how Germany won? Why does it necessarily follow France will win because of that? :manson: Norway isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 12. Switzerland isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 12. Serbia isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 8.

 

Your point is meaningless and your conspiracy theories are pointless. Deal with it.

I think he's on about proper Eastern Europe (he seems to be referring to Armenia, Moldova, Belarus, and Georgia, but I can't for the life of me find the fifth nation he's on about - Portugal's the only other one that didn't vote for Germany, but what on earth have they got to do with the above countries?), but it's a bit of a redundant measure anyway. Why include those nations, but not, say, Ukraine, who also gave Germany 5 points?

 

Deal with it, so-called 'ESC Expert'. Germany won last year fair and square.

 

i am reffering to Armenia, Moldova, Belarus, Georgia and ISRAEL l ,i also reffering to Ajerbaijan 1point and also russia gave only 6 ,average points ...

 

Have you ever seen a winning country eith only one "7points" ?Isnt that strange to you ?for me it is ,i can easily believe that they transformered to 10 and 12.

Well there we have it. The expert has spoken, what more evidence do we need?

i am reffering to Armenia, Moldova, Belarus, Georgia and ISRAEL l ,i also reffering to Ajerbaijan 1point and also russia gave only 6 ,average points ...

 

Have you ever seen a winning country eith only one "7points" ?Isnt that strange to you ?for me it is ,i can easily believe that they transformered to 10 and 12.

Your selection criteria makes no sense whatsoever. Why choose those countries and ignore all the others not in the EU that gave Germany high points? :manson:

 

You know, I can believe a winning country getting just one 7. You know why? Because Alexander Rybak only got one 7 as well.

 

Oh, but I suppose it was probably fixed for him too, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

 

Ooh, and you know what was REALLY a fix? Estonia won in 2001 and didn't get a SINGLE 7! How odd!

What on earth is this ridiculous argument seriously? You're spouting utter rubbish I'm afraid "ESC Expert".

Yes, but what on earth was your point on how Germany won? Why does it necessarily follow France will win because of that? :manson: Norway isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 12. Switzerland isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 12. Serbia isn't in the EU and it gave Germany 8.

 

Your point is meaningless and your conspiracy theories are pointless. Deal with it.

 

knock knock wake up ... :rolleyes:

Two countries are leading the EU , make all the decisions and leading the whole europe , Germany and France.

Norway is not a member state of the European Union (EU), but is closely associated with the Union through its membership in the European Economic Area (EEA), in the context of being a European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member.

Switzerland always giving at least 7-12 points to Germany ,70% of citizens are speaking german .

Serbia is a candidate country and just an 8 is not a serius degree to mention to .

 

 

TO EVERYONE

we are just discussing here

i am not tring to convince you for anything

i am writing my opinium and i am reading yours ;)

So how do you explain the fact that Satellite went top 5 in 14 countries then, #1 in 6 of these? Were the political heavyweights of Eurovision also brainwashing the buying public across Europe to buy the song in droves, or was it just because it was a genuinely popular song? Because I didn't notice any other song from last year having anywhere near the same level of commercial success, pre or post-contest.

Your selection criteria makes no sense whatsoever. Why choose those countries and ignore all the others not in the EU that gave Germany high points? :manson:

 

You know, I can believe a winning country getting just one 7. You know why? Because Alexander Rybak only got one 7 as well.

 

Oh, but I suppose it was probably fixed for him too, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

 

Ooh, and you know what was REALLY a fix? Estonia won in 2001 and didn't get a SINGLE 7! How odd!

 

i am showing you the voting gap between the two parts, the EU and not the EU. its seams so strange :huh: to me.

 

you are giving as an example RYBAK? you got a be kidding me ,the phenomenon of eurovision ,the highest score ever ...

and as a second example the esc 2001 ? A contest with 23 voting countries and only juries voting .

 

 

TO EVERYONE

we are just discussing here

i am not tring to convince you for anything

i am writing my opinium and i am reading yours wink.gif

So how do you explain the fact that Satellite went top 5 in 14 countries then, #1 in 6 of these? Were the political heavyweights of Eurovision also brainwashing the buying public across Europe to buy the song in droves, or was it just because it was a genuinely popular song? Because I didn't notice any other song from last year having anywhere near the same level of commercial success, pre or post-contest.

 

i agree that it was a popular song before and SURE after the contest, i never say that it was a bad song ,it was a good children s song , it could easily got a good position in top 10 or top 5, it might got the 3rd place in televoting or the 2nd or the 1st from the child's votes, but the juries are not childrens ...

knock knock wake up ... :rolleyes:

Two countries are leading the EU , make all the decisions and leading the whole europe , Germany and France.

Norway is not a member state of the European Union (EU), but is closely associated with the Union through its membership in the European Economic Area (EEA), in the context of being a European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member.

Switzerland always giving at least 7-12 points to Germany ,70% of citizens are speaking german .

Serbia is a candidate country and just an 8 is not a serius degree to mention to .

TO EVERYONE

we are just discussing here

i am not tring to convince you for anything

i am writing my opinium and i am reading yours ;)

i am showing you the voting gap between the two parts, the EU and not the EU. its seams so strange :huh: to me.

 

you are giving as an example RYBAK? you got a be kidding me ,the phenomenon of eurovision ,the highest score ever ...

and as a second example the esc 2001 ? A contest with 23 voting countries and only juries voting .

TO EVERYONE

we are just discussing here

i am not tring to convince you for anything

i am writing my opinium and i am reading yours wink.gif

Yes, it's a member of the EEA, but what's that got to do with Germany apparently leading the EU? And what on EARTH is this nonsense about 'just an 8' not being a serious degree when it's in the top three of that country? I'd say that shows it's got a fair amount of popularity going for it.

 

You're writing your 'opinium' but it's based on utter crap. You rule out cases that prove you wrong on the most shallow grounds possible just because they don't fit into your theory even though LOADS of countries that aren't in the EU still voted for Germany.

 

I'm being incredibly serious when I give Rybak as an example. You came up with the most ridiculous point possible - that just because Lena got just one 7 you couldn't believe she could've possibly won as they probably 'bumped them all up to 10s and 12s'. I gave you two recent examples of winners that only got one 7. Oh, and for a so-called 'ESC Expert' you seem to have a fair few of your facts wrong, as the majority of nations in 2001 used a televote. It wasn't 'only juries'.

 

You aren't showing us the voting gap between the EU and the non-EU, you're showing us the voting gap between the EU and a few countries YOU have chosen from the non-EU, there are loads not in the EU which voted for Germany which you're throwing away selectively.

 

i agree that it was a popular song before and SURE after the contest, i never say that it was a bad song ,it was a good children s song , it could easily got a good position in top 10 or top 5, it might got the 3rd place in televoting or the 2nd or the 1st from the child's votes, but the juries are not childrens ...

And this goes to show how redundant your point is - that you have to resort to patronising the song by saying 'it's a good children's song'. The jury figures WERE released and they showed that Germany would've still won off of jury votes, and that Germany won massively on televoting - hence the overall landslide. Your arguments are ridiculous and scream of you having a bizarre vendetta against Satellite. It wasn't my favourite song of the contest, but I can still see that it won fair and square - you're grasping at straws to find the strangest claims that it was somehow a fix, but you have no conclusive evidence whatsoever. Just selective choices of some countries' voting trends and the fact that they didn't release individual breakdowns of jury and televotes from every country. You keep saying we're just 'having a discussion' and you're giving us your 'opinium', but we're telling you - your opinion is based on complete shit. Give it up.

Ooh Tyron, you're so sexy when you're forceful.

 

Anyways, I see the first few posts from ESC EXPERT were prior to last year's contest, offering tips on betting, saying that in 2009 he had an 80% success rate which he hoped to get back up to 100% in 2010. Perhaps a little bitter that he didn't see a Germany win coming?

 

Or perhaps he did, since it was a fix from the start.

HA. What can I say? Eurovision arguments bring a side of me out that normally never gets unleashed.

ok tyron i give up ,

erase of your mind all you have read here and take this as my first post

its a prediction topic and i predict without any argument ;) that FRANCE will win ...

 

 

 

Can you peter remind me what i have predict ?

I've no idea what you have predict, because the only posts you made last year were offering your services in advising people where to put their money when it came to betting on the contest, considering your impeccable record.

 

EDIT: Apologies, you did in fact predict that Manga from Turkey, the band with many international fans singing the song which was among the bookies' favourites from the country with the biggest diaspora, would finish in the top ten. I don't think many of us saw that one coming, so well done for that.

 

EDIT2: Oh and Tyron...raaarrrrrrr :kink:

 

The juries indeed aren't children, they're a cross section of ages representing each country, just like televoters are. If televoters of all ages saw fit to vote for Satellite (and then BUY the thing with their hard earned money!), why shouldn't the representatively similarly aged juries? Contrary to popular belief, the jury isn't ten greying men from each country sitting and picking out their favourite ballad or the Irish entry, not any more at least! It's not out of the realms of believability that just as the European voters liked Satellite, so did the juries. She won incredibly comprehensively - with the televote, with the juries, commercial success wise etc...maybe your argument would be more valid if she'd come 3rd or 4th in the televote and won the jury vote by a landslide, leading her to win overall.

 

But we'll see if France do indeed win this year, now that they are 2011's jury 'chosen one's', because they certainly weren't last year when Jessy Matador came top ten in the televote but was sunk by the juries, tumbling him down to a mid-table position.

So if Germany won last year, France this year when will Spain and UK win? With the songs they have been sending recently results really NEED to be fixed.

 

But I do believe Russia won because people were tired of them trying too hard :lol:

Edited March 29, 201114 yr by SKOB

So if Germany won last year, France this year when will Spain and UK win? With the songs they have been sending recently results really NEED to be fixed.

 

But I do believe Russia won because people were tired of them trying too hard :lol:

 

2012 PARIS

2013 LONDON

2014 ROME

2015 MADRID

 

Oh dear.

2012 PARIS

2013 LONDON

2014 ROME

2015 MADRID

Well that's settled then. We may as well not bother watching the contest until 2015 now. :( I'll get the flights and hotels booked though, thanks ESC EXPERT! :magic: