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I'm not saying anything. :huh:

 

Kath

Just because the other don't show how they play instruments every time on TV it doesn't mean they cannot play them. I know some people (personally) who can play an instrument not professional like, but enough to help them with a singer carrier or voice coach or for regie of lyrical theater. Also, only because only Gary played at the beginning doesn't mean that the other were not capable to learn since them. Playing an instrument is not reserved only for those showing that or for the rockers. And the voice is also an instrument and far difficult to learn it properly. To make right harmonies, is not so easy as it seems... You know why i am saying this, Kate :)

 

Now, i think that while Gary worded very poor, perhaps tongue in cheek, he may be right. Now in the band are three songwriter with very different style. Did you take the time to hear Mark's songs? Go behind his voice, if it grates you, just listen to the melody and orchestration.... IMO they are good, and he has a broader range of musical style than Gary for the matter. Gary is very conservative (but exquisite in his small range), Mark likes the experiment. And now Robbie mixes in the equation and that complicates the things....

How many times does this completely jumped EGO INFLATED little Hitler have to taste his own CRUSHING defeat / failure of HIS EVERY alleged talent to get it through to him . NO-ONE wants him as a MUSICIAN or PERFORMER ( the CRAZED reawakened old nostalgic too long held back sexual/romantic er "stirrings" :blush: of Middle age women have no real direct interest in either, anyway http://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gif http://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gifhttp://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gif ) records EXECs DON'T want his LAME,INSIPID, DRAB,2 DIMENSIONAL - as the personality from which it was inspired/self material ( from his CRUSHING first rejection to the current Take That major hits severely limiting his input and hiring in some song writing talent (compared to him) EVEN the UK public swiftly judged him an instantly forgettable no talent, no mark, NOBODY his career bit the dust as an UNPRECEDENTED rate from its hollow hyped to death Madonna reject LIFE FORCE annihilating blandness combined with his career killing ZERO stage presence (unless you call your bumbling drunk OAP great granddad performing on stage blind DRUNK "a presence" http://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gif http://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gifhttp://209.85.12.227/431/162/emo/rotfl.gifwith the SWEET IRONY Robbie's career EXPLODED into one of the UKs biggest WORLDWIDE album selling Goliath EVER in BRITISH recording history - his "flop" album sold more than most stars best sellers :D someone having UNDENIABLE true STAR quality + long term cultural impact, with universally adored charisma + stage presence like Kylie before him.How mentally destroyed and fcuked up must the poor guy be to throw such UNIQUE + AWE inspiring success/credibility all away on the forgettable on the world scale + throwaway tacky outdated boyband and UTTER PITIFUL non - existent by comparison ENTIRE TT/solo combined history WORLDWIDE sales compared to EVEN JUST one of his multimillion sellers :blink:

 

Garry ( ie why we majority agree on BJ his solo career failed so hard + fast apart from his own insipid diabolical material he has 0 performing ability and an EVEN WORSE personality - TEDIOUS, totally up his own arse, pompous TWAT, thinks the world owes an unpayable debt since his first rancid attempts were rejected, to his INFINITE + INVALUABLE RAW musical talent of which TTs current phenomenal UK success has practically NOTHING to do with Garry appeal/alleged talent (bar mature woman driven by sexual frustration/nostalgic fantazizing)the music WHOLLY manufactured/chosen by record ( as per deal - Puppets as ever,little/no(especially ALL f'ing FIVE drum beating DURACELL monkeys) significant involvement EVEN in the change in course in progression of their music cf. the CONSCIOUS minded determination to keep interest/relevance by changing the musical course of their career - witness Kylie's spine chilling " Confide in Me" or Madge's "JML/Erotica" .

 

Just because the other don't show how they play instruments every time on TV it doesn't mean they cannot play them. I know some people (personally) who can play an instrument not professional like, but enough to help them with a singer carrier or voice coach or for regie of lyrical theater. Also, only because only Gary played at the beginning doesn't mean that the other were not capable to learn since them. Playing an instrument is not reserved only for those showing that or for the rockers. And the voice is also an instrument and far difficult to learn it properly. To make right harmonies, is not so easy as it seems... You know why i am saying this, Kate :)

 

I do remember saying at the time though, that the set in the Circus gigs where they played instruments was for me the weakest part of the show. I do find that they look extremely uncomfortable playing instruments - and to be honest - good on them for trying - but they are not good enough to play (at least not in public). I still think their shows are great - but I don't see why they should do something that exposes glaring weaknesses.

 

Now, i think that while Gary worded very poor, perhaps tongue in cheek, he may be right. Now in the band are three songwriter with very different style. Did you take the time to hear Mark's songs? Go behind his voice, if it grates you, just listen to the melody and orchestration.... IMO they are good, and he has a broader range of musical style than Gary for the matter. Gary is very conservative (but exquisite in his small range), Mark likes the experiment. And now Robbie mixes in the equation and that complicates the things....

 

I still wouldn't say that 'Take That have too much talent' - it smacks of arrogance (I'm not certain it is tongue-in-cheek). We're not talking Beatles/Kinks/Stones/Who standards here ... not by a long shot. Even alongside acts of today - Gary, Mark and Rob have quite some way to catch up.

 

And before anyone says it - I'm not having a dig at Take That (there is something in the humility of Mark, Jason, Howard - and even at times Robbie that is one of the things that still makes me like them) its just Gary's almost out of control ego that really gets to me.

 

Maybe some of the things that I'd read first time around were true after all.

 

Kath

Edited May 6, 201113 yr by Kathyp

Maybe some of the things that I'd read first time around were true after all.

 

Kath

 

Which which one???? Make me no curious, spill it all :w00t:

 

 

IMA, for someone liking KYLIE , don't you think that you are a liitle bit FUNNY in what are YOU writting? Take a rest, make a bow, shut your radio. Is very easy, you know, to calm down! :lol:

IMA, for someone liking KYLIE , don't you think that you are a liitle bit FUNNY in what are YOU writting? Take a rest, make a bow, shut your radio. Is very easy, you know, to calm down! :lol:

 

Iris - pay no attention to IMA - he's clearly as mad as a box of frogs but as excitable as a little puppy that keeps pee-ing all over the house! Whenever he posts in the chart forum he just gets laughed at. :lol:

 

Kath

FFS, you really think this was an egotistical comment? The Sun is taking quotes out of context from old interviews and printing them almost daily, for God only knows what reason. Gary said this when discussing how they break down the writing process between them all, with 3 capable songwriters in the room, and he also spoke about Jason and Howard's contributions. Gary, Robbie and Mark are all talented writers...not many bands have that. There is nothing wrong with stating that your band has 3 talented writers in it! Not everyone finds the 'we're actually $h!t' approach of the likes of Chris Martin, necessary. Confidence is not a crime. Watch Look Back, Don't Stare and get the whole thing in context and perspective! The Sun is $h!t stirring, as usual.

FFS, you really think this was an egotistical comment? The Sun is taking quotes out of context from old interviews and printing them almost daily, for God only knows what reason. Gary said this when discussing how they break down the writing process between them all, with 3 capable songwriters in the room, and he also spoke about Jason and Howard's contributions. Gary, Robbie and Mark are all talented writers...not many bands have that. There is nothing wrong with stating that your band has 3 talented writers in it! Not everyone finds the 'we're actually $h!t' approach of the likes of Chris Martin, necessary. Confidence is not a crime. Watch Look Back, Don't Stare and get the whole thing in context and perspective! The Sun is $h!t stirring, as usual.

 

I suppose its just the way the term 'talented' is bandied about (by a lot of people). Sometimes it is equated with 'brilliant' and I'm sorry - Gary, Mark and Robbie - brilliant songwriters? Capable, maybe even good - but not brilliant.

 

And yes - I know the Sun takes things out of context some(most)times - but I've watched Gary being interviewed over the last few years - and he DOES seem to brag. Not in this interview - but in many (and certainly in his own book) he uses the word 'I' a bit too much.

 

I have watched LBDS (only the once mind) I found it a bit boring and at times over-indulgent. I found myself liking Robbie Williams more and more.

 

Kath

I hated LBDS, to be honest. I loved their early docus, i wanted a docu about how they make music, but none about therapy and discussing over and over their relationship. And i am tired to hear that in their music too, i want some new thema, Perhaps that is why i like SOS, Kidz and Pretty Things and i dislike 8 letters... They are once again friends, great, move on :teresa: . And the press should also move on! I start to avoid looking at interviews, not because Gary, he have always used to much "I" for my liking for ages, but beacuse they are questioned over and over about the same things. I think they get bored as well about the same questions. As much as i don't like Jonathan Russel, his interviews were very funny ...

 

The only additional item i will buy from them apart for music would be an autobio written by Howard . He seems to be the only one having the guts to tell someday the thurth (he was also very entertaining in their first docu for the reunion :lol: ).

I agree i think too much talent quote was taking out of context and comes accros wrong, and out of context it sounds so arrogant in some ways, i agree there is nothing wrong with saying there is talent in the band but like anything if it is taking out of context it can sound pompus.

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I don't think he meant it as harshly as some people (not here) have implied. And how can it be egotistical if hes talking about others as well? I think he's genuinely proud of what they've achieved and they should be. They've pulled off a comeback from essentially being a laughing stock in the public eye.

 

I'll admit, I was cynical when I heard they were coming back and then I saw the Ultimate Tour (Relight My Fire). It was that ability to know what their audience wanted without being afraid of who they were. Yes they were a boyband with cheesy but great pop songs, but theyve never shied away from their roots. Good for them, they should be proud of themselves.

I don't think he meant it as harshly as some people (not here) have implied. And how can it be egotistical if hes talking about others as well? I think he's genuinely proud of what they've achieved and they should be. They've pulled off a comeback from essentially being a laughing stock in the public eye.

 

I'll admit, I was cynical when I heard they were coming back and then I saw the Ultimate Tour (Relight My Fire). It was that ability to know what their audience wanted without being afraid of who they were. Yes they were a boyband with cheesy but great pop songs, but theyve never shied away from their roots. Good for them, they should be proud of themselves.

 

I do think Gary comes across as smug and arrogant though. Its been a gradual process and absolutely NOTHING to do with Robbie being back on board. I started having my doubts when he was oh-so-sniffy about the touring production of Never Forget - The Musical. He said it had the 'whiff of an end-of-pier' production about it - when not long before - he'd been only too grateful to sell on the permission to use his songs - when he himself thought they'd never see the light of day in any other way.

 

Another thing is - where the hell has Gary's fun gone? One of the first things that attracted me to TT in the first place was Gary - in particular his interview with Jonathon Ross back in October 2006 (and I know that performance won a LOT of people over). He was unbelievably funny. I just don't know where that funny guy has gone.

I do think Gary comes across as smug and arrogant though. Its been a gradual process and absolutely NOTHING to do with Robbie being back on board. I started having my doubts when he was oh-so-sniffy about the touring production of Never Forget - The Musical. He said it had the 'whiff of an end-of-pier' production about it - when not long before - he'd been only too grateful to sell on the permission to use his songs - when he himself thought they'd never see the light of day in any other way.

 

Another thing is - where the hell has Gary's fun gone? One of the first things that attracted me to TT in the first place was Gary - in particular his interview with Jonathon Ross back in October 2006 (and I know that performance won a LOT of people over). He was unbelievably funny. I just don't know where that funny guy has gone.

 

I don't really remember back as far as the Never Forget musical and I dont think I read anything, so I can't really comment, but I can see why that would come across as arrogant. Maybe he's just bitter about the whole thing, because as I understood it, he wasn't particularly happy about others having the rights to his songs. But we get into the nitty gritty of contracts there, and thats something I avoid! lol!

 

In terms of the fun, I think it's still there! Maybe just up against Robbie's clowning antics and behaviour, he looks more subdued...I mean who could upstage rob?

 

He was great on the Chris Moyles marathon show, and other times he's been into the show. The kili climb was good too, and he was suffering with his back. Maybe there's just not so many opportunities for the light hearted interviews anymore and the focus is always on rob anyway.

 

I think people are so quick to criticise Gary, they just want to knock him down a peg or 2 it seems, and scrutinise his every move. It'll get even worse come X Factor time! :( I don't think I can be critical of Gary I'm afraid because I guess I want to see him through rose tinted glasses...but what annoys me is that other members of the band are guilty of much worse and yet its never mentioned. In terms of role model, you can't go far worse than Gary in my opinion.

I think people are so quick to criticise Gary, they just want to knock him down a peg or 2 it seems, and scrutinise his every move. It'll get even worse come X Factor time! :( I don't think I can be critical of Gary I'm afraid because I guess I want to see him through rose tinted glasses...but what annoys me is that other members of the band are guilty of much worse and yet its never mentioned. In terms of role model, you can't go far worse than Gary in my opinion.

 

 

"Guilty of much worse?" As far as i know, the only "guilt" is that both Mark and Howard were exposed to have too many ladies and not be family peoples (and the rumours are very strong that Gary did the same - at least in Germany - but was more calculated). But that is their personal problems IMO, and doesn't influence my oppinion in their music. But when someone like Gary or Bone becames arrogant and see themselves as the second coming, this is not personal affair anymore. That Gary would be criticised for his X factor, should be him clear and he done it by himselv - no one obliged him to do it. But for soemone who pretend to be such a profesional musician to go to the easy route of X factor - this shows what is really important to him. I criticised much more Paul McCartney for singing at X Factor and that ruined my oppinion much more as such a legend doesn't need to bow to such fake-show like X factor. If Gary wanted really to make other people succesfull, he could have done his own serious contest where real music and judges would have choosen the winner. But he got to the show which will give him the most exposure and most love of the people. He is now as worse as Dieter Bohlen in my eyes. At X factor the money maked with those naive persons is more important than creating a good musical act - and Gary is not so stupid to don't know that!

 

He would have sold his damn solo album anyway, he has more money than 90% of peoples in UK, he is already looked up - why the hell did he need the X Factor?

 

Let's say that Mark needed to do CBB to get the second album out, but i still think Mark was very stupid to do CBB and i hope he has learned his lesson as no one took him as a professional because of it He got the second album, but it was not what he wanted, as it was customed to "his fame" and the company was not interested to built him as a musician. When he wanted a dark atmosphere for his solo "4 minutes", he was not allowed - they targeted him to the people who looks CBB. He ruined big time the chances to be taken as a serious musician ... For a small group he redeemed himself with the brilliant third album and his constant trying, but his big chance for a big publicum and recognition from the profis was away.

 

The pity is that the decision of Gary ruines from me not only Gary, but Take That as a whole. Dieter Bohlen (ex Modern Talking) is now considered a joke, yes, he is very smart and laugh on his piles of money, but he is still a joke. They were with the Circus on the edge of becoming a real "classic act" and i think they ruined that big time for me with some of their last decisions...

 

I think is a matter of oppinion what is important for you that the artists must have and do. I am intereted in those artist wanting to make better music not to sell more albums, be in more papers and be more adulated or who are "megalomaniac".

 

I don't take any artist to be my role model, i think only weak people do that. So, if anyone wants to torn his life in pieces by alcohol, women and drugs, is his stupidity and as long he doesn't abuse anyone, is his problem, not mine. Rolling Stone and Beatles did it too, no one takes them as role models for that. But when someone showns his arrogance anywhere he can, chase after my sympathy with PR- autobiography and put himself with any occasion the target "look what a lamb i am, how charitable (but i fly with my own jet), how down to earth (but i have friends only those with success and hardly one see me with my family anywhere), well, i have a problem. I hate arrogance, that put me off from U2 for example... I also dont like arrogant collegues who speaks only high about their perfection or those pushing for attention.

 

Gary is not "guilty" of anything. But his decisions are not what in my eyes a genuine man, a professional musician with love for the music in first place would do. I don't like those artist, who just put the image of "we are serious artists interested for the music", but is not his real philosophy. His arrogance adeed to the fake image, make me to get very cold.

 

Sorry to be so bold, hope it annoy noone. It is just my oppinion and is nothing personal to Gary - i think the same about other artists. :teresa:

 

Ok, rant over. I am very p.... about the whole, X factor story was the last drop. I am annoyed that i bought tickets to see them, as i would need to make special arrangements with my baby and spend a lot on the way to the gig on top of that. With that money i would have seen a lot of genuine acts, perhaps in small venues with not so much abracadabra, but with a lot more love for their profession.

In terms of the fun, I think it's still there! Maybe just up against Robbie's clowning antics and behaviour, he looks more subdued...I mean who could upstage rob?

 

I find Rob's clowning around boring in its own right though - its just a different kind of boredom - so it isn't a case of Gary being in competition with him. Gary Barlow can be very, very funny - he has said things that are on a completely higher level of humour than Rob could ever manage (Rob's humour is very slapstick - which appeals to certain quarters, whereas Gary's is (or was) more acerbic, dry, and the listener has to actually THINK about it) but it seems to have been replaced lately with a 'we're invincible' kind of attitude.

 

I don't know - maybe we'll get a glimmer of it back when he starts on X-F. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.

 

Kath

Ya i agree robbie has more the slapstick comedy where gary is more witty and he says something and like 3 seconds later your laughing and that the kind of humour i love, for me robbies comedy is the comedy of coronation street and garys is the comedy of eastenders, but very differeent and not always uited to everyone.

Ya i agree robbie has more the slapstick comedy where gary is more witty and he says something and like 3 seconds later your laughing and that the kind of humour i love, for me robbies comedy is the comedy of coronation street and garys is the comedy of eastenders, but very differeent and not always uited to everyone.

 

I'd say Robbie's is the slapstick humour of Eastenders (the humour in EE really doesn't call for much thought Pete) and Gary's has (or had) the more dry, witty, adult, thoughtful humour of Coronation Street.

 

Kath

I agree that we'll have to wait and see how this whole X Factor thing pans out, I'm not totally sold on the idea, but I've learned not to judge before the event itself. Especially with take that. I judged the new single on the 30 second clip and that was wrong because I quite like it now.

 

I do find rob amusing, I think he handles interviewers well, better than the other TT members and especially when they ask stupid questions :lol:

 

Back to the arrogance thing though, yes I think he does have an element of arrogance about him, but to be honest I don't care, for me, some people carry it off well, they deserve to be arrogant to certain extent and I think he's one of those people. Believe me, if he'd done something that disappointed me, I'd change my mind, but he hasn't....yet! But this is just my own personal opinion and I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

 

And yes, he's someone I admire, I don't think that makes me weak though.

To admire is something different as to take him as your role model.

 

As for arrogance - no one deserve to be arrogant, regardless what he / she makes . :teresa: