Im sure this is mostly made up, id say its acse of just filling the paper, we all know x factor judges say they dont know if they will be back until next when contracts etc are negoiated.

Hopefully they get rid of Louis Walsh and sign up Christian Bale as his replacement

Hopefully they get rid of Louis Walsh and sign up Christian Bale as his replacement

 

Louis Walsh is more of an asset to XF than Gary is. He's far more entertaining (yes - he talks a load of twaddle - but he's funny with it. Gary just talks a load of twaddle - and he promised he'd be so much more.)

Well whether gary is on it or not is seperate for me when i say louis walshe is terrible, he says the same ole crap every year, hasnt a clue what he is on about, the only thing he cannot say this year that he has said every other year is i still have westlife, with no westlife who has louis left apart from Jedward. Louis is a big kiss and tell person which is pathetic for a manager i think.

 

I dont mind gary as a judge but he isnt the best or worst judge on the show now or previously, personnely i would love dannii minogue to comeback, she spoke the truth and was never malicious even when telling someone they were bad, i also liked how dannii would often give great praise to acts that werent in her own category, overall i found her very honest and truthful as a judge. Funnily enough i never really liked dannii pre x factor but over time she just continued to grow and grow on me.

Gary has got a great reception as a judge and is the publics favourite judge on every single poll i have seen posted. Whereas Louis is absolutely useless. Agreed, he says the same things every year, tries to start arguments out of nothing and talks the most BS i have heard on XF.

I dont mind gary as a judge but he isnt the best or worst judge on the show now or previously, personnely i would love dannii minogue to comeback, she spoke the truth and was never malicious even when telling someone they were bad, i also liked how dannii would often give great praise to acts that werent in her own category, overall i found her very honest and truthful as a judge. Funnily enough i never really liked dannii pre x factor but over time she just continued to grow and grow on me.

 

I think I agree with the Danni thing (although I really didn't like her at first).

 

I know Louis is a PITA - but his repeptitive comments, etc ARE a part of XF that some people (a lot of people actually) look forward to. There is something about familiarity that people like and Louis provides that - if only for people to moan about him on forums later. Its like following a murder mystery on film or TV - there's something satisfying about 'Oh I know that was going to happen' - it makes us feel a bit superior (and a bit more intelligent.) Gary promised (or said) that he was going to bring something new to the X Factor - but he hasn't - all he has done is come out with lines that Simon would have done - but not as wittily (or convincingly.) He has proven himself to be no more than a 'seat-warmer' for a real judge.

 

Kath

Sorry Kath but calling Gary a seat warmer for a real judge is completely ridiculous.

Sorry Kath but calling Gary a seat warmer for a real judge is completely ridiculous.

 

He hasn't proven himself very capable so far has he. Certainly not enough to hail himself 'Head Judge'. His ridiculous excuse for not taking John Wilding through from JH's. His ridiculous idea to not get rid of Frankie in the first 'twist' and his continued championing of Frankie - telling the world that he was putting in good performances - only proving that Gary must be hard of hearing (can't be helped - it does come to some people as they age.) The worst thing though is the continued petty squabbles he has with Louis (yes - possibly staged - but I thought Gary came into this game on the premise that he would be in charge of at least his own actions).

 

No matter what I've said about Gary I honestly did believe he WOULD be a good judge on XF - and would bring something to it - perhaps a bit of honesty? You tell me one honest action he has made so far.

 

Kath

Dear oh dear, Gary has more than proved himself, although Frankie may have got the axe Gary was the only judge not to have an act voted off. Do you not think Frankie would have reminded Gary of Robbie in the early Take That days, and maybe it became the reason Gary stood by Frankie and understood him and tried to help him in a way he could understand and relate to.

 

While Gary is head judge, like any new job, it takes time to settle in, it is so easy to sit back and nit pick at every single fault from the comfort of your living room chair,whether we like what we see on screen or not there absolutly no doubt in my mind that Gary has done everything he can to help his acts, developed them, provided guidance and shared the ups, downs and pitfalls of his own career, that specific information is what I believe to be far more relevant than people wondering is he head judge material or not.

 

Gary is as real a judge as anyone who is on the panel or who has sat on the panel previously. While Simon may have the better comments and phrases and the put downs phrased in a way to laugh more at people (which I think was cruel in areas) may make him a better head judge but as pointed out beautifuly by LA Reid on the American X Factor Simon has never managed to write a hit song in his life, with Louis Walshe in the same position.

 

Head judge and the reasons behind it, can have different reasons, people have different opinions of good and bad, yes, people will say is Gary worthy of head judge, I ask was Simon worthy and if so why why more worthy than Gary or someone similar to Gary for that matter???

Dear oh dear, Gary has more than proved himself, although Frankie may have got the axe Gary was the only judge not to have an act voted off. Do you not think Frankie would have reminded Gary of Robbie in the early Take That days, and maybe it became the reason Gary stood by Frankie and understood him and tried to help him in a way he could understand and relate to.

 

Huge difference - Robbie could hold a tune (I may not like his voice but there is no denying he was never out of tune). The biggest non-help someone can give someone else is to give them false hope. Besides - I thought Gary was exceptionally cruel to John Wilding considering he knew disappointments he went through the year before.

 

Sorry - Gary is a good group member, a good (sometimes very, very good) songwriter but an absolutely dreadful judge on XF - possibly the worst judge (certainly the least entertaining judge) they've ever had.

 

Kath

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The worst thing though is the continued petty squabbles he has with Louis (yes - possibly staged - but I thought Gary came into this game on the premise that he would be in charge of at least his own actions).

 

No matter what I've said about Gary I honestly did believe he WOULD be a good judge on XF - and would bring something to it - perhaps a bit of honesty? You tell me one honest action he has made so far.

 

Kath

 

 

That is always Louis Walsh or Tulisa starting up, I never see Gary or Kelly starting arguments, its also the other two. Louis was completely disrespectful to try and par off Frankie's dreams, regardless of whether he had the voice of commitment to reach them. It's clear that Simon has told Louis and Tulisa to up their game and start squabbling over nothing, and I think Gary and kelly have handled it very well. Gary does give honest advice, he has held his hands up about Frankie before, over song choice or whether or not he was good that night, Louis and Tulisa chat the same dishonest BS as always. I really hope Tulisa is sacked this year, reports say that Gary and Kelly will be offered pay rises to stay on next year but Tulisa still has question marks. Louis Walsh will stay but not as anything other than the novelty judge at the end of the table.

 

 

While Gary is head judge, like any new job, it takes time to settle in, it is so easy to sit back and nit pick at every single fault from the comfort of your living room chair,whether we like what we see on screen or not there absolutly no doubt in my mind that Gary has done everything he can to help his acts, developed them, provided guidance and shared the ups, downs and pitfalls of his own career, that specific information is what I believe to be far more relevant than people wondering is he head judge material or not.

 

Gary is as real a judge as anyone who is on the panel or who has sat on the panel previously. While Simon may have the better comments and phrases and the put downs phrased in a way to laugh more at people (which I think was cruel in areas) may make him a better head judge but as pointed out beautifuly by LA Reid on the American X Factor Simon has never managed to write a hit song in his life, with Louis Walshe in the same position.

 

Head judge and the reasons behind it, can have different reasons, people have different opinions of good and bad, yes, people will say is Gary worthy of head judge, I ask was Simon worthy and if so why why more worthy than Gary or someone similar to Gary for that matter???

 

Kath seemingly loves to do that :lol:

 

Gary is the only judge that is always with his acts, look at his twitter and everyday he is there giving his acts advice, unlike louis, simon, cheryl etc who give them half hour and then are off again. Gary takes them running to bond, cooks for them and gives them advice on handling the media, although that didnt work with frankie no one in their right mind can blame Gary.

 

Simon is a very overrated judge. I have watched him this year on XF USA thinking that i would miss him on the UK XF but he has almost become a cynical louis walsh. He repeats the same lines of put downs, the same 'it wasn't good, it was fantastic *wink and show off the white teeth* nonsense. As LA said and rightly pointed out by Pippa, SC has no authority to judge a music talent apart from the fact that he runs SYco label. He's not an artists, never had a hit single, done promo, gone on tour, written a song that went number 1 in over 31 countries. Gary in that right is 1 million times more suited to the head judge role and I and millions of other people in the UK can see that, only a select few can't.

 

 

Huge difference - Robbie could hold a tune (I may not like his voice but there is no denying he was never out of tune). The biggest non-help someone can give someone else is to give them false hope. Besides - I thought Gary was exceptionally cruel to John Wilding considering he knew disappointments he went through the year before.

 

Sorry - Gary is a good group member, a good (sometimes very, very good) songwriter but an absolutely dreadful judge on XF - possibly the worst judge (certainly the least entertaining judge) they've ever had.

 

Kath

 

He was not cruel to John Wilding, he genuinely found it hard to decide, but he thought that JW was too boring an act with not as much personality as Marcus, Craig and definately Frankie, and personality sells records these days. He has been the best judge by a mile Kath, only your general dislike of Gary for whatever reason blinds you from seeing that.

Edited November 9, 201113 yr by jay727

That is always Louis Walsh or Tulisa starting up, I never see Gary or Kelly starting arguments, its also the other two. Louis was completely disrespectful to try and par off Frankie's dreams, regardless of whether he had the voice of commitment to reach them. It's clear that Simon has told Louis and Tulisa to up their game and start squabbling over nothing, and I think Gary and kelly have handled it very well. Gary does give honest advice, he has held his hands up about Frankie before, over song choice or whether or not he was good that night, Louis and Tulisa chat the same dishonest BS as always. I really hope Tulisa is sacked this year, reports say that Gary and Kelly will be offered pay rises to stay on next year but Tulisa still has question marks. Louis Walsh will stay but not as anything other than the novelty judge at the end of the table.

So you had no objection whatsoever to Gary dashing Sami's dreams a week or so before. I believe his words were along the lines of 'you will NEVER ever be a recording star' (despite the fact that she WAS hard working and not a shirker). Fair enough. What's sauce for the goose is obviously not sauce for the gander.

 

Gary is the only judge that is always with his acts, look at his twitter and everyday he is there giving his acts advice, unlike louis, simon, cheryl etc who give them half hour and then are off again. Gary takes them running to bond, cooks for them and gives them advice on handling the media, although that didnt work with frankie no one in their right mind can blame Gary.

Gary is always with his acts or always seen with his acts because he can't get enough of seeing his own fizzog in the papers. Apart from Frankie - Gary didn't have much hard work to do - Marcus and Craig are two of the most pliable, amenable, hard-working contestants XF has had. They would have thrived under ANY mentor.

 

He has been the best judge by a mile Kath, only your general dislike of Gary for whatever reason blinds you from seeing that.

 

Jay - your absolute, unflinching adoration of Gary makes you absolutely blind to any faults he has. I've not doubt you'd think he'd make a good pope if the opportunity were given to him! :lol:

 

Kath

So you had no objection whatsoever to Gary dashing Sami's dreams a week or so before. I believe his words were along the lines of 'you will NEVER ever be a recording star' (despite the fact that she WAS hard working and not a shirker). Fair enough. What's sauce for the goose is obviously not sauce for the gander.

 

Gary is always with his acts or always seen with his acts because he can't get enough of seeing his own fizzog in the papers. Apart from Frankie - Gary didn't have much hard work to do - Marcus and Craig are two of the most pliable, amenable, hard-working contestants XF has had. They would have thrived under ANY mentor.

Jay - your absolute, unflinching adoration of Gary makes you absolutely blind to any faults he has. I've not doubt you'd think he'd make a good pope if the opportunity were given to him! :lol:

 

Kath

 

 

Frankie, while not being an amazing singer has some sort of personality about him, girls liked him and he has that rockstar attitude although yeah clearly he was seriously lacking in the voice dept. Sami had a good voice but Louis turned her into a boring predictable singer, performing the old karaoke classics etc and for that reason she did not stand out from the crowd and wouldnt have had the personality or variety to sell album. So in that respect Gary was completely right, and the public thought so to as she was the least voted person by the public the week she went (it was leaked on twitter).

 

I dont agree at all with you saying that Any mentor would help them thrive, Gary puts time and effort into reassuring them and helping them out, theres no bias here, its complete truth as shown on twitter and said by them themselves.

Kath - you can't say that he loves his face in the papers. You have no proof and its just your dislike of Gary making you jump to those conclusions. I have no problem with Gary, and all your so called 'problems' with Gary appear that he is in the limelight more than he was...who cares, if he was cheating on his wife, doing drugs and going mad at night clubs then I would completely agree with you slaughtering him at every opportunity. Fact is he isnt. I remember someone saying somewhere that people are always ready to knock someone down when they peak a little too high over the wall. As far as Im concerned he is just passing his knowledge on to other artists on the XF whilst also organising CIN rocks and various other charity events. There is no evidence of anything under hand in what he's doing. But if you dont like him, by all means turn him over when he speaks on XF, dont buy TT records, its all your choice :lol:

I dont think Gary is the best mentor there ever was or best judge but i think he is doing a good job, ya gary did put sami down the week she was eliminated but its like he cant win, if he says something bad to put someone down its like that wasnt nice, if he doesnt do he is boring. Gary was good to sami and she has said gary was the one who was there for advice etc for all the contestants back stage not just his own category. Overall a few of the contestants have said the same thing about gary and the week Kelly was out sick the girls all said gary was there to help. Its things like this i like about gary he didnt just look after his acts but he looked out for others aswell.

 

As for gary been in the papers well thats not all down to him, the press know he will sell papers and they are overly keen to have in it especially the front page,,

 

 

Kath what i would like to ask is what is it he is doing that makes you think he such a bad mentor??

Kath what i would like to ask is what is it he is doing that makes you think he such a bad mentor??

 

There isn't one, Kath just doesn't like Gary.

 

 

Breaking News - apparently Amelia Lily, 2 Shoes, James Michael and Jonjo Kerr will face the public vote and the one with the highest votes will rejoin the XF.

Kath what i would like to ask is what is it he is doing that makes you think he such a bad mentor??

 

Its all a moot point now Pete - as has now been evidenced it looks like XF has just been one giant hoax this year. It appears that Frankie could just possibly have been a plant in order for this mid-series 'shock' factor.

 

I'm making no more comments about Gary as he's clearly in this just for the money and the fame (the same as all of them I suppose).

 

Kath

There isn't one, Kath just doesn't like Gary.

That's true!

Breaking News - apparently Amelia Lily, 2 Shoes, James Michael and Jonjo Kerr will face the public vote and the one with the highest votes will rejoin the XF.

 

Not news Jay! The whole thing was planned - people have been voting on Amelia to win at Betfair since last Saturday - three weeks AFTER she'd left and a whole day BEFORE Frankie's disastrous performance and departure. You probably believe its just a coincidence though so ... whatever!

 

Everyone involved in this show is a fake!

 

Kath

set up coincidence whatever i dont mind its entertainment so from all them i think Amelia is the one the deserves to comeback the most and the one i would love to see back and i also think she will be the one to comeback hopefully.

 

Hard to keep up this year, eg sami out then back in again, that chinese in then left, the risk has changed so many times, now frankie axed and someone coming back. I do have to say while im kind of enjoying the show this year im not enjoying as much as previous years, while i do miss dannii as a judge my main problem is the contestants, there isnt anyone in particular that im dying for to come on stage and usually i have 3 every year that i really enjoy. Maybe im wrong but i cant see anyone from this years show having a career at all, but what do i know i have often thought a few would go to have big careers and they flopped.

Not news Jay! The whole thing was planned - people have been voting on Amelia to win at Betfair since last Saturday - three weeks AFTER she'd left and a whole day BEFORE Frankie's disastrous performance and departure. You probably believe its just a coincidence though so ... whatever!

 

Everyone involved in this show is a fake!

 

Kath

 

Are you actually for real :huh: You think Frankie was placed in there by Gary to boost ratings and provide a shock half way through whilst also getting OFCOM involved due to his antics....I know there's reading into things but wow Kath, if I need any help with conspiracy theories Im coming straight to you! :lol:

 

 

set up coincidence whatever i dont mind its entertainment so from all them i think Amelia is the one the deserves to comeback the most and the one i would love to see back and i also think she will be the one to comeback hopefully.

 

Hard to keep up this year, eg sami out then back in again, that chinese in then left, the risk has changed so many times, now frankie axed and someone coming back. I do have to say while im kind of enjoying the show this year im not enjoying as much as previous years, while i do miss dannii as a judge my main problem is the contestants, there isnt anyone in particular that im dying for to come on stage and usually i have 3 every year that i really enjoy. Maybe im wrong but i cant see anyone from this years show having a career at all, but what do i know i have often thought a few would go to have big careers and they flopped.

 

 

Danni was a good judge and i would much prefer her to come back as Tulisa's replacement.

 

I think Marcus and Misha can have very successful careers in the UK and depending on the songs/album could sell abroad as well especially if Misha works with Kelly which has already been mentioned. Janet will probably have a diana vickers career, a successful single, top 10 album and then nothing.

 

What i dont get is an article i read today about how the media over reacts and chats rubbish about the x factor and the ratings. What it said (and check the BARB figures on wikipedia which are officially sourced) that the media say the XF is in crisis and is pulling in 9.6million. However this 9.6million is only the viewers watching the XF on ITV1. The media dont include the 500k on average who watch it on ITV+1 and it also doesn't include viewers that watch it on ITV1 HD which is regularly 2 million So when you actually add the ITV1, ITV+1 and ITV HD ratings together you get on average a very respectable 11/12/13 million a week tuning in to watch the programme. So there is clearly no ratings crisis, it is less than last year but it is the second highest series ever and is still pulling in loads of views and generating alot of press with SC will love!

Edited November 10, 201113 yr by jay727