At the end of the day, while it's not exactly great that the British public are turning their back on British acts, I don't really mind a great deal and I would oppose any new rules brought in for the express purpose of artificially inflating the number of Brits in the chart. The chart should reflect what songs are popular with the UK public and if that happens to be mostly US 'club bangers' at the moment then so be it. That whole fad will almost certainly be dead within a year and maybe the next fad will be more British. We just have to wait and see, at the moment I don't see the lack of British talent in the charts as being a big problem.

 

I think this sums it up well tbh.

 

Also, I think if Radio 1, Capital, 4Music, Viva, etc. were suddenly forced to play no more than 20% of songs from US artists (or something of that nature), then all that would happen is people would go and listen to the other channels, which still play their favourite music.

these days who actually follows the "singles" chart?

I glance through the OCC chart once a week (on a Monday...) but the casual music fan probably has no idea what's selling...

 

British tv can hardly support homegrown acts if there aren't any to promote. For example last night's BGT has Avril Lavigne performing in the results show?? Why??

Probably because Take That were unavailable (Gary's judging role) and Adele is busy off conquering America :dance:

 

Speaking of Adele - she at least has the top "single" of the year so far (and album here and the US) plus her 'Rolling In The Deep' still tops the US Hot 100 this week for a fourth week.

I do agree with you - but have a look at the release schedule and there are barely any British acts releasing that aren't really low profile indie bands who would never be successful even with support.

 

And the British 'breakthrough' acts of the year have mostly been extremely uncommercial, as one look at the Sound of 2011 poll would tell you. Of those 15 artists (some of which weren't even British of course) only Jessie J, Wretch 32 and Clare Maguire ever had any obvious hit potential in them to begin with. It could be a case of the people behind the poll overlooking more potentially successful British acts though I suppose...

 

At the end of the day, while it's not exactly great that the British public are turning their back on British acts, I don't really mind a great deal and I would oppose any new rules brought in for the express purpose of artificially inflating the number of Brits in the chart. The chart should reflect what songs are popular with the UK public and if that happens to be mostly US 'club bangers' at the moment then so be it. That whole fad will almost certainly be dead within a year and maybe the next fad will be more British. We just have to wait and see, at the moment I don't see the lack of British talent in the charts as being a big problem.

How do you know they didn't have hit potential? They didn't even get the support, so they barely had a chance anyway! It was some fat man sat behind a radio station or whatever that decided they didn't have the "hit potential", but most of them are clueless anyway (just look at bloody Heart FM). There are over 60 million people in this country and you only have to sell to an absolutely miniscule portion of them to be a success. I've followed the charts for 13 years (which is well over half my time on this earth) and in that time I've come to the conclusion that almost anything can sell well with the right exposure.

 

The charts reflect what is being pushed through more. Remember that the charts are an industry tool that just happen to be open to the public. The whole point of the charts is for record labels to see how successful they are doing with their marketing, etc. It was some men in suits sat behind the record labels who saw the success of certain songs by David Guetta and Lady Gaga and decided club music was the newest trend to exploit, remember. If someone new/something different manages to slip through the cracks unexpectedly then we'll have a new trend, like how Amy Winehouse did in 2006, etc. Anyway, the point is these songs are only popular because the record labels want them to be. Don't confuse the two.

 

I find it extremely bizarre that people don't care about what happens to British music. If British music falls out of the radio completely, then it becomes harder and harder for the lesser British acts to make a living if they're not being exposed to a massive audience like they are on the radio - although, thankfully, it's still possible with the internet. Obviously this is very overdramatic and as long as Radio 1 and Radio 2 exist it doesn't seem to be any danger of happening but I'm just saying. Why on earth would people not want their own music, their own talent, to be blasted out all over the radio? And why on earth does American music have the right to be? :huh:

How do you know they didn't have hit potential? They didn't even get the support, so they barely had a chance anyway! It was some fat man sat behind a radio station or whatever that decided they didn't have the "hit potential", but most of them are clueless anyway (just look at bloody Heart FM). There are over 60 million people in this country and you only have to sell to an absolutely miniscule portion of them to be a success. I've followed the charts for 13 years (which is well over half my time on this earth) and in that time I've come to the conclusion that almost anything can sell well with the right exposure.

 

The charts reflect what is being pushed through more. Remember that the charts are an industry tool that just happen to be open to the public. The whole point of the charts is for record labels to see how successful they are doing with their marketing, etc. It was some men in suits sat behind the record labels who saw the success of certain songs by David Guetta and Lady Gaga and decided club music was the newest trend to exploit, remember. If someone new/something different manages to slip through the cracks unexpectedly then we'll have a new trend, like how Amy Winehouse did in 2006, etc. Anyway, the point is these songs are only popular because the record labels want them to be. Don't confuse the two.

 

I find it extremely bizarre that people don't care about what happens to British music. If British music falls out of the radio completely, then it becomes harder and harder for the lesser British acts to make a living if they're not being exposed to a massive audience like they are on the radio - although, thankfully, it's still possible with the internet. Obviously this is very overdramatic and as long as Radio 1 and Radio 2 exist it doesn't seem to be any danger of happening but I'm just saying. Why on earth would people not want their own music, their own talent, to be blasted out all over the radio? And why on earth does American music have the right to be? :huh:

 

This is spot on, the video channels seem to try and support UK acts but radio is failing new UK acts.Fair enough the US record companies are better with pushing and promoting there acts but I think things are pretty dire.There are so many acts like Cocknbullkid, Dionne Broomfield, Diana Vickers, Marina, Nadine,Natalia Kills who are not getting enough radio support.It would be okay if the UK acts were rubbish but that is not the case.

How do you know they didn't have hit potential? They didn't even get the support, so they barely had a chance anyway! It was some fat man sat behind a radio station or whatever that decided they didn't have the "hit potential", but most of them are clueless anyway (just look at bloody Heart FM). There are over 60 million people in this country and you only have to sell to an absolutely miniscule portion of them to be a success. I've followed the charts for 13 years (which is well over half my time on this earth) and in that time I've come to the conclusion that almost anything can sell well with the right exposure.

 

The charts reflect what is being pushed through more. Remember that the charts are an industry tool that just happen to be open to the public. The whole point of the charts is for record labels to see how successful they are doing with their marketing, etc. It was some men in suits sat behind the record labels who saw the success of certain songs by David Guetta and Lady Gaga and decided club music was the newest trend to exploit, remember. If someone new/something different manages to slip through the cracks unexpectedly then we'll have a new trend, like how Amy Winehouse did in 2006, etc. Anyway, the point is these songs are only popular because the record labels want them to be. Don't confuse the two.

 

I find it extremely bizarre that people don't care about what happens to British music. If British music falls out of the radio completely, then it becomes harder and harder for the lesser British acts to make a living if they're not being exposed to a massive audience like they are on the radio - although, thankfully, it's still possible with the internet. Obviously this is very overdramatic and as long as Radio 1 and Radio 2 exist it doesn't seem to be any danger of happening but I'm just saying. Why on earth would people not want their own music, their own talent, to be blasted out all over the radio? And why on earth does American music have the right to be? :huh:

 

Absolutely hit the nail on the head. I agree with every point.

 

The US does produce some of the world's best music, but their domination across the charts of the world is getting a little bit too much now, it certainly doesn't produce anything approaching 50+% of all of the world's best music which is what TV/radio/the charts suggest :lol: Pure and simply, they have the most money, the most powerful people pushing them and therefore the most exposure. If Radio 1 and the music channels removed every club banger and urban song from their playlists and replaced it all with Scandipop for a month, I can absolutely guarantee that suddenly the Scandipop would start popping up in the chart. The masses buy what they like out of what they are exposed to, I sadly know very few people at work or in my circle of friends who like to discover new music of their own via the internet, most of them either listen to chart music or 'classic hits' the entire time, and I believe that this very much represents the population at large.

 

@Bray - the UK's always been quite a few months behind at getting Euro hits, it was always the way in the 90s that they'd be big summer holiday smashes and eventually get released here in September/October to capitalise on people buying the soundtracks to their holiday. It's a real shame that AATW are the ONLY label now supporting Europop/dance, we at least had Hard2Beat in 2008 as well who gave us September and Basshunter but that disappeared off somewhere a long time ago...

This is spot on, the video channels seem to try and support UK acts but radio is failing new UK acts.Fair enough the US record companies are better with pushing and promoting there acts but I think things are pretty dire.There are so many acts like Cocknbullkid, Dionne Broomfield, Diana Vickers, Marina, Nadine,Natalia Kills who are not getting enough radio support.It would be okay if the UK acts were rubbish but that is not the case.

 

I'd like to add Clare Maguire to that list.

ISTM part of the problem for new UK artists is the traditional conservatism of big record companies - they are very risk averse, and ATM especially so.

Edited June 3, 201114 yr by vidcapper

ISTM part of the problem...

 

ISTM? <_<

It seems to me.