I'd prefer full independence. But failing that, what Silas says. Devo Max.

 

I think the genie is out the bottle to be honest. Scotland will continue to move away from UK government control. It's just a matter of how far and how soon.

 

I agree.

If Scotland did gain full independence, I would seriously consider moving back, possibly to Edinburgh or Glasgow, I only really moved away in the first place to go to University in London and just ended up staying.... :lol:

 

I would miss all the great mates I've made down here though, so I dunno.....

Depending on who you ask, Scotland subsidies Britain or vice versa.

 

 

I think people have forgotten Northern Ireland is part of the UK too :kink:

I think people have forgotten Northern Ireland is part of the UK too :kink:

 

Some people haven't. Namely 50% of the people who live in Northern Ireland.

Some people haven't. Namely 50% of the people who live in Northern Ireland.

 

To be honest, I asked around 7-8 people from England on whether Northern Ireland is part of UK or Ireland and 5 of them said "It's part of Ireland, right?" :kink:

A question: the UK's full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so technically Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain. Despite that, the correct denonym for a UK national is British - so if you're from Nortern Ireland, technically you're British even though you're not from Britain. Does this strike anyone else as odd?

A question: the UK's full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so technically Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain. Despite that, the correct denonym for a UK national is British - so if you're from Nortern Ireland, technically you're British even though you're not from Britain. Does this strike anyone else as odd?

 

I'm from Northern Ireland and I would like to be a British Citizen compared to Irish :lol:

 

But yes, technically Britain is only England and Scotland, Great Britain is Wales added and the United Kingdom of Great Britain then adds Northern Ireland. Confusing but it's just the way it goes ^_^

It's one of those things that people will always argue about. In my opinion, you're British if you come from the island of Great Britain, and you're Irish if you come from the island of Ireland (don't get me started on the whole "British Isles" thing :P). With regards sides - I'm not a republican, nor am I loyalist. I dislike both sides equally. Surely it would be better to replace this whole "Irish or British" thing with just "Northern Irish", as in a NI passport and citizenship?

It's one of those things that people will always argue about. In my opinion, you're British if you come from the island of Great Britain, and you're Irish if you come from the island of Ireland (don't get me started on the whole "British Isles" thing :P). With regards sides - I'm not a republican, nor am I loyalist. I dislike both sides equally. Surely it would be better to replace this whole "Irish or British" thing with just "Northern Irish", as in a NI passport and citizenship?

 

That would make sense but I think the trouble is that it's very few peoples' first option - both republicans and loyalists would rather do that than be part of the UK/be part of the republic respectively, but that's not really how democracy works with our wonderful voting system.

I for one believe Scotland should be an indepent small nation, who is free to conduct her own affairs, but have a close relationship with England, including automatic citizenship for citizens of any british Isles nation after 2 years residence in Scotland, and also immediate permanent residence for any british isles citizen.... I also believe we need to maintain the closest relationship with England that we can, including monetary union.

Which would never happen as Salmond is pro-Euro and we would join the EU as a small country and be forced into the Eurozone and passport free zone.

Which would never happen as Salmond is pro-Euro and we would join the EU as a small country and be forced into the Eurozone and passport free zone.

 

I dpn't actually think being a part of schenging is a bad thing, and the EU can't stop us legislating who we give citizenship too, as for the Euro well the pound would remain Scotlands currency until we decided to abandon it, and as it is not tied to the Euro we would never reach convergence, much in the same way as Sweden which is technically legally bound to join the Euro, but the Krona has never met the criteria to do so, because the Swedes have delibrately failed to meet them

You over look the fact that Salmond actually WANTS the Euro.

 

 

And there would be no point in your citizen thing as they automatically have the right to stay in Scotland via the EU free movement legislation. (I am pro-schengen. Reading this thread would tell you that)

You over look the fact that Salmond actually WANTS the Euro.

And there would be no point in your citizen thing as they automatically have the right to stay in Scotland via the EU free movement legislation. (I am pro-schengen. Reading this thread would tell you that)

 

I don't see what Salmon wants is relevant to the Euro, after independence the question of what currency we use would be up to the Scottish public, his own party is not united on adopting the Euro. Citizenship is important as it does give you extra rights over the free movement legislation, such as the right to vote in national elections, a passport which gives visa free travel in differnet nations across the world, plus you can not be deported it might not see like much, but if Scotland become indepent European citizens who are not Scottish citizens will lose the automatic right to vote for the Scottish parliament, and Scottish citizens who are overseas just now will regain the right to vote for the parliament which they currently aren't entitled to do. Also I didn't question wether you are for or against Schengen, I merely stated I was for it....as you said we would be forced into the passport free zone.

In the latest poll independence is at 39%, status quo 38% and don't knows 23%. It could go either way.

 

At the moment the unionist parties are still leaderless. Yes, I know about Willie Rennie - what a no mark he's been so far!

 

Will the Tories vote for suicide and can we believe any new Scottish party of the right, taking the Conservative whip, would really be prepared to vote against the Tories, if something was clearly not in Scotland's interest?

 

I have no strong feelings about the currency we use. I'd like to see us continue with the pound but also introduce alternative payment in euros wherever possible without expensive cost to business.

I was reading something the other day that suggested Salmond might push for Devo Max and leave it there. A plan I very much approve of.

 

 

I have no idea why anyone would want to keep the Status Quo, unless they are just counting Devo Max under that. We are in a flawed system currently, with our own legal, health and education system but we can't choose how to fund these things.

 

I would like to see Scotland have financial independence and the ability to conduct our own domestic affairs with our defence and international interests maintained by Westminster (with a reduction in Scottish MP's and their inability to vote on matters not affecting Scotland).