Wow you really are a bit ignorant. :o

 

American Idol isn't The X Factor. AI has artists. Contestants aren't manipulated by the judges or the producers (their fate might be though) and they have no mentor to spoon-feed them. They style themselves, choose their own songs, choose their own arrangements, play their own instruments (many of them) and ultimately be artists.

 

Please enlighten me by explaining how being an artist is determined by your origins in the music industry?

 

But she still auditioned for a TV show to get herself heard. I'm sure she still had to work hard for what she has but doing that is very much a (comparatively) easy way to become famous.

 

She may have a lot of talent as an artist but 'real' is absolutely not a word I'd ever use to describe an artist that came out of a televised talent show.

 

Besides, she only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album and wasn't the sole writer on any - surely that's the main factor to consider when determining how 'real' an artist is? :unsure:

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Bré

But she still auditioned for a TV show to get herself heard. I'm sure she still had to work hard for what she has but doing that is very much a (comparatively) easy way to become famous.

 

I see your point, but I don't really thing it's fair to say "Oh, he had an easier ride becuase he got to be on the X Factor", or "She went to BRIT school, so she had an easy climb to fame". Plus, if you did that, the only "real" artists in the UK would be like Chipmunk and N-Dubz or something. :lol:

 

I normally think when people refer to "real" artists, they mean artists who might write their own lyrics, or maybe they can play an instrument, or perhaps they're really good vocalists, or they compose their own instrumentals. But even looking at it that way, the vast majority of artists currently in the chart qualify as "real" artists, and many of them can do more than one of those things.

 

Besides, she only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album and wasn't the sole writer on any - surely that's the main factor to consider when determining how 'real' an artist is? :unsure:

 

Adele wasn't the sole writer on most of her songs either I think, so by that logic she is also not a "real" artist.

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Eric comes out with a lot of sense music wise sometimes. :P ^_^

 

Coldplay performing T in the Park being shown BBC3 now. :) What about Beyonce?

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Karma

Adele wasn't the sole writer on most of her songs either I think, so by that logic she is also not a "real" artist.

 

But she did have at least a *co*writer credit on every song (except Make You Feel My Love and Lovesong but they're covers).

 

Like SIX said, there aren't many 'real' artists these days. I just disagree that Kelly C is one of the few. I'm not necessarily saying Adele is a 'real' artist either.

 

-x-

 

Ooh, Coldplay are at T In The Park as well? :o Hopefully their songs can get another boost then :D although I doubt it'll be anywhere near the size of the boost they got from Glasto.

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Bré

But she still auditioned for a TV show to get herself heard. I'm sure she still had to work hard for what she has but doing that is very much a (comparatively) easy way to become famous.

 

She may have a lot of talent as an artist but 'real' is absolutely not a word I'd ever use to describe an artist that came out of a televised talent show.

 

Besides, she only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album and wasn't the sole writer on any - surely that's the main factor to consider when determining how 'real' an artist is? :unsure:

 

So what if she auditioned for a talent show? So did the likes of Beyonce, Usher, Aaliyah etc. It doesn't mean you're not a real artist. You've just said yourself the main factor in determining who's an artist is song-writing and production so how does that have any relevance to being on a talent show and "having an easy ride"? :unsure:

 

The likes of Kelly, Daughtry and Leona have written quite a lot of their back catalogues yet they've come from talent shows, I don't see your point.

So what if she auditioned for a talent show? So did the likes of Beyonce, Usher, Aaliyah etc. It doesn't mean you're not a real artist. You've just said yourself the main factor in determining who's an artist is song-writing and production so how does that have any relevance to being on a talent show and "having an easy ride"? :unsure:

 

The likes of Kelly, Daughtry and Leona have written quite a lot of their back catalogues yet they've come from talent shows, I don't see your point.

 

Well we clearly have different opinions on what does and does not make an artist 'real'. So let's just agree to disagree I guess. Arguing about it won't really get us anywhere :P

But she did have at least a *co*writer credit on every song (except Make You Feel My Love and Lovesong but they're covers).

 

Like SIX said, there aren't many 'real' artists these days. I just disagree that Kelly C is one of the few. I'm not necessarily saying Adele is a 'real' artist either.

 

I would class both Kelly and Adele as "real" artists. They're great vocalists, great songwriters and great performers.

 

But how would you determine who are "real" artist is? Do you mean those that write their own lyrics, because that's probably a much bigger proportion of the chart than you might think.

 

In the current top 10 on iTunes alone, Loick Essien, Ed Sheeran, Jason Derulo, Example, Calvin Harris, Kelis, Katy Perry, Pitbull and Ne-Yo write lyrics.

So, in one hour from now David Guetta (apparently) and The Wanted are released. The new Scouting For Girls song is also out. Not sure where that'll chart, it could easily miss the top 40 I think :o Although 'This Ain't A Love Song' shocked a lot of people when it went to #1, so maybe 'Love How It Hurts' will do better than expected as well.

I wouldn't mind SFG missing the top 40, because I find the song really boring. Their best song has to be Heartbeat.

 

This Ain't a Love Song had masses of airplay before it was released, so I wasn't too surprised when it got #1.

There aren't many real artists around anymore, because to be a real artist you have to

 

- not have been associated with any talent show

- sing without autotune

- not have gone to the BRITS school

- not have been hyped up by Sound of 2011 poll etc.

- be able to play an instrument

- write their own lyrics

 

I don't like the terms 'real artist' and 'real music' that much, because people don't make it the hard way anymore and they need promotion like this to break through - and not everyone can sing perfectly and play an instrument. Writing lyrics is a hard task for some people as well.

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by danielMFAO

Hope SFTTR doesnt fall too much, The Wanted are likely to go to #2 i'd say, and Guetta and SFG could make top 10, so just by that it could fall to #14/#15. :( I wonder if Nicki can make top 10 before then..

A "real" artist is an ACTUAL artist in my eyes. Every act in the charts is loosely classed as an artist. Even The Saturdays are. By "real artist", I mean someone who is absolutely passionate about singing, performing and writing music. Someone who is not just passionate, but talented too. Britney, in my opinion, isn't a real artist because, while she can (could?) perform well, she could barely sing, barely write and judging by her lack of promo appearances and quite-frankly-$h!t music as of late, she's not exactly passionate. Rihanna, as much as I love her, can't write but luckily she has the ever-improving voice and performing skills.

 

In my opinion, the most real artist and best artist of ALL TIME is Michael Jackson because he could do all of those things and his home was on the stage. He could sing like no other guy could, his dancing skills are just undeniable and his writing was great too (with Quincy Jones especially). His passion was just out of this world also.

 

I would class both Kelly and Adele as "real" artists. They're great vocalists, great songwriters and great performers.

 

But how would you determine who are "real" artist is? Do you mean those that write their own lyrics, because that's probably a much bigger proportion of the chart than you might think.

 

In the current top 10 on iTunes alone, Loick Essien, Ed Sheeran, Jason Derulo, Example, Calvin Harris, Kelis, Katy Perry, Pitbull and Ne-Yo write lyrics.

 

Jason DeRulo, Example, Calvin Harris and Pitbull might write lyrics but they're mostly $h!t ones. :lol:

 

Katy, Ne-Yo, Kelis and Ed are all great at writing lyrics though. Haven't heard much of Loick's material so I can't really judge.

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by SceneofSIXCrimes

Hope SFTTR doesnt fall too much, The Wanted are likely to go to #2 i'd say, and Guetta and SFG could make top 10, so just by that it could fall to #14/#15. :( I wonder if Nicki can make top 10 before then..

 

I think Adele will pretty quickly overtake Pitbull and Alexandra after The Wanted and Guetta go top 10 (I don't think SFG will go near the top 10), she just needs to re-overtake Nicki which I think she will after the weekend is over, then overtake whoever is then #10 (which will probably be Katy, or Calvin if she overtakes him in the next few days). I think she could go top 10 next week. Possibly.

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Bré

There aren't many real artists around anymore, because to be a real artist you have to

 

- not have been associated with any talent show

- sing without autotune

- not have gone to the BRITS school

- not have been hyped up by Sound of 2011 poll etc.

- be able to play an instrument

- write their own lyrics

 

I don't like the terms 'real artist' and 'real music' that much, because people don't make it the hard way anymore and they need promotion like this to break through - and not everyone can sing perfectly and play an instrument. Writing lyrics is a hard task for some people as well.

 

True. And plus, things like the Sound of 2011 polls are out of the artists control. A lot of them have no idea they're being included on the poll until it's already happened. And if you have talent, and you want to be in the music industry, of course you're going to want to try and go to BRIT school or whatever. It makes perfect sense. It's like if you want to get a good job you try and go to University or whatever. Doing it the way Tinchy Stryder did out of choice isn't exactly sensible. :lol:

 

And then there's other things, like some artists can sing without autotune, but they choose to, or they can write their own lyrics, but they choose to use or work with different songwriters.

 

And then there's some artists that I think don't get credit just because their musical output might not be liked. B.o.B, for example, he plays the piano, he plays guitar, he writes all his own lyrics, he's a great singer, he's a great rapper, he can compose his own instrumentals. He can literally do it all.

 

The Black Eyed Peas aswell. They could easily make songs all by themselves, with no outside help, if they wanted to. All four of them write their own lyrics, will.i.am can compose the instrumentals, Fergie is a great vocalist, all of them can rap, will.i.am plays the piano, and so on. But because they make songs like My Humps, people tend to not give them enough credit imo. :lol:

 

Jason DeRulo, Example, Calvin Harris and Pitbull might write lyrics but they're mostly $h!t ones. :lol:

 

Katy, Ne-Yo, Kelis and Ed are all great at writing lyrics though. Haven't heard much of Loick's material so I can't really judge.

 

Jason has written songs for loads of other artists. Example can write great lyrics, even though he doesn't need to. Listen to his lyrics on Game Over for example. All the artists wrote their own lyrics on that song, so you can compare them. :lol: I think they all did great (except Chipmunk, but he's written great lyrics on other songs, such as Oopsy Daisy).

 

Calvin Harris, I'm not sure about, as I haven't heard too many songs. However, he does also make the music for all his songs (and for other artists too), and he sings too, so I think he can do enough. :lol:

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

But she still auditioned for a TV show to get herself heard. I'm sure she still had to work hard for what she has but doing that is very much a (comparatively) easy way to become famous.

 

She may have a lot of talent as an artist but 'real' is absolutely not a word I'd ever use to describe an artist that came out of a televised talent show.

 

Besides, she only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album and wasn't the sole writer on any - surely that's the main factor to consider when determining how 'real' an artist is? :unsure:

She wrote/co-wrote every song on My December. And the only reason why she 'only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album' is cos her label wanted to play it safe after MD & before she was on AI, she was demo-ing for other artists which is where quite a few artists start off and despite where she came from, she came from a time where reality TV shows weren't much. They weren't as glammed up as they are now and Kelly has done as much as she possibly could to distance herself from AI. She has said previously that she doesn't want to return to AI but she did for Charity and again for management. She may not have full creative control but that is down to her record label. Despite where she came from, Kelly is one of the most real artists that you can find from a reality TV show. I've had my cousins talk crap about her because she came from AI and then the next time she does a tour I take them with me and they leave a fan and buy her albums. If that isn't a real artist then I don't know what is.

She wrote/co-wrote every song on My December. And the only reason why she 'only had writing credits on 6 songs on her last album' is cos her label wanted to play it safe after MD & before she was on AI, she was demo-ing for other artists which is where quite a few artists start off and despite where she came from, she came from a time where reality TV shows weren't much. They weren't as glammed up as they are now and Kelly has done as much as she possibly could to distance herself from AI. She has said previously that she doesn't want to return to AI but she did for Charity and again for management. She may not have full creative control but that is down to her record label. Despite where she came from, Kelly is one of the most real artists that you can find from a reality TV show. I've had my cousins talk crap about her because she came from AI and then the next time she does a tour I take them with me and they leave a fan and buy her albums. If that isn't a real artist then I don't know what is.

 

Well said.

 

If there was a song that sums up Kelly's artistry (other than WRR), 'Because Of You' would be the song. She wrote that song when she was only a teenager. In my opinion, it's one of the best pop songs EVER written and, believe it or not, I'm not even a Kelly loon.

I hate the term 'real' for any type of music, it does get you a bit more credibility when you write your own songs but any artist is 'real', even if you come from a talent show, it just means you may lack the critical acclaim that artists who write their own songs and don't come from talent shows do

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Chart Wizard

I hate the term 'real' for any type of music, it does get you a bit more credibility when you write your own songs but any artist is 'real', even if you come from a talent show, it just means you may lack the critical acclaim that artists who write their own songs and don't come from talent shows do

 

I agree.

 

And it's ultimately the output that matters. Even if the credited artist doesn't have much to do with the making of the song, the people that did are still talented, and people who truly like ths song will usually research who wrote it, who produced it, what it sampled, etc.

 

Plus, people are forgetting that the credited artist is the one that has to travel around doing all the performances of the song, all the TV and radio interviews, is usually the one that has to deal with praise/criticism of the song (see: Kelly Clarkson and the Halo thing), has to be the one who acts in the music video, and has to be the one in the public eye and followed by the press all the time, so they still do their part imo. Those behind-the-scenes writers can just write a song and relax in their mansions until the next artist asks to work with them. :lol:

Edited July 9, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Plus, people are forgetting that the credited artist is the one that has to travel around doing all the performances of the song, all the TV and radio interviews, is usually the one that has to deal with praise/criticism of the song (see: Kelly Clarkson and the Halo thing), has to be the one who acts in the music video, and has to be the one in the public eye and followed by the press all the time, so they still do their part imo. Those behind-the-scenes writers can just write a song and relax in their mansions until the next artist asks to work with them. :lol:

 

You make out performers suffer. :lol:

 

If anything, they benefit far more than the producers. I bet when Britney came out with '...Baby One More Time', everyone was saying things like "OMG Britney's song is amazing! She's just amazing!" when, actually, the producers are "amazing". The public always assume that a performer's song is actually their own song and the performers get judged on the material they are given. Loads of people say that Rihanna is phenomenal. I love her, but is she actually phenomenal or are Stargate?

Beyonce #3 :wub: