An artist does not need to write songs. The person can be just a singer (Whitney, Katherine, Alex) or maybe do a little songwriting. Doesn't make a difference. Adele, Florence, Whitney and Ellie Goulding have all been famous with their cover songs. It is about having support if the artist wants to, which Syco never gave Joe and Joe wanted to do some songwriting. He is only 20 years old anyways and has a lot of time.

 

Olly has a below average voice. There is nothing to it; my younger cousin can sing better than Olly. Joe's is pretty exceptional with his tone and great control at such a young age.

 

You said that Joe had "real talent" and Olly didn't. Olly can write songs, Joe can't. Regardless of the strength of their voices, Olly is more talented as an artist as he is a songwriter. And no, I don't really agree that Olly is below average in the vocal department either.

 

Are you serious? Singing opera is not difficult??!! You must think everyone can magically become an opera singer by just opening their mouth. It looks like you don't know how opera singers work.

 

Also, Joe is not a trained singer. He never did it before, and he is still very young.

 

Steve won because of Simon and the manipulation that year, not because of his voice. G4 should have won.

 

Whitney and Britney Spears never had a problem about not writing songs. ;) Yes, song writing is important, but a singer does not need to have original matter to make a song great like Adele's Make You Feel My Love.

 

Also, have you listened to half the shite in the charts? You described it perfectly "shit songs with terrible lyrics" like Swagger Jagger.

 

There are people out there called songwriters. ;)

 

Joe would have been trained throughout his time on X-factor. Trained singers can easily learn how to do opera, whether they are any good at it is another matter.

 

Manipulation? Dear God, :lol:

 

Yes there are songwriters, but there are also Singer/Songwriters. I think they are more talented than people who only sing. They might have weaker voices but thats not all that important.

You said that Joe had "real talent" and Olly didn't. Olly can write songs, Joe can't. Regardless of the strength of their voices, Olly is more talented as an artist as he is a songwriter. And no, I don't really agree that Olly is below average in the vocal department either.

 

And Whitney Houston must be less talented than Olly. LOL! Good job on that!

 

How do you know Joe can't? It is not like Syco gave him any support. Anyway, he is only 20 years old, and planning to in the next album, although it is not like it makes or break an artist like Whitney or Britney. And it's not like co-writing credit means anything.

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Joe would have been trained throughout his time on X-factor. Trained singers can easily learn how to do opera, whether they are any good at it is another matter.

 

Manipulation? Dear God, :lol:

 

Yes there are songwriters, but there are also Singer/Songwriters. I think they are more talented than people who only sing. They might have weaker voices but thats not all that important.

 

Joe was coached; not trained. There is no singing "training" program on the show. :lol: You understand it takes 8-10 years to be trained as an opera singer. You really have no clue about opera.

 

I don't know what show you are watching, but everyone knows, especially during Steve's year (as Sharon pointed out), there is A LOT of manipulation. You can figure that easily --- think Katie Waissel.

 

Whitney Houston and Celine Dion must be one of the most least talent artists then. :rolleyes:

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Whitney Houston and Celine Dion must be one of the most least talent artists then. rolleyes.gif

And Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley!

 

Olly can write songs, Joe can't.

 

How do you know? Are you a personal friend of Joe? As it happens, I read on another website that Joe is writing songs but wonders whether they are good enough. I wish some more people would do some wondering!

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Record sales prove why Olly should've won over Joe.

 

And blaming Syco for giving Joe shit music is just plain stupid, he is not current to the industry and would never have been able to sell what Olly has even with great songs. I don't really like Olly myself but there's no doubt in the world that Joe pales in comparison as a RECORDING artist.

 

 

Record sales prove why Olly should've won over Joe.

 

And blaming Syco for giving Joe shit music is just plain stupid, he is not current to the industry and would never have been able to sell what Olly has even with great songs. I don't really like Olly myself but there's no doubt in the world that Joe pales in comparison as a RECORDING artist.

 

What do you mean "he is not current to the industry"? The music industry is not just about pop you know. There are hundreds of different types of music.

 

I cannot understand why people like Olly (even my own daughter!) He is awful and cannot sing for toffee!

Record sales prove why Olly should've won over Joe.

 

And blaming Syco for giving Joe shit music is just plain stupid, he is not current to the industry and would never have been able to sell what Olly has even with great songs. I don't really like Olly myself but there's no doubt in the world that Joe pales in comparison as a RECORDING artist.

 

No it doesn't. It proved that Joe was given shite by Syco. Have you seen Syco's current and previous track records?!! Come on. No one would be blaming that label if they actually did their job, but as proven with how well Universal is doing with Joe, Syco has completely failed him and did not give him any support. That is the problem. Joe was always the winner, current to the industry, and he proved that with actual talent, and not needing to strip for a #1.

 

And this is not the first time that Syco has done this as well.

 

What is going on with Leona is upsetting, how mishandled she is. Then there is Shayne, who Syco basically tried to destroy his career. Syco made the brilliant idea to wait 3 years to release another album, and release a cover as a debut single. Then drop him like a hot potato. It goes on and on.

 

There is a reason why Simon/Syco is not respected in the music industry.

 

Anyway, this album looks to be staying in the Top 5 again this week, as it moves to #4 to. Great job to Joe and giving Syco a big middle finger! :)

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How deluded can you be? When Joe gets two high selling number ones, an arena tour and an album selling over 400k' then and only then, will I be the first to say that Joe has proved to be the rightful winner.

 

Universal hasn't done anything better with Joe as he's churning out an album FULL of covers after winning a talent show full of Z-listers. The hype will soon die down and he'll churn out xmas and mothers day albums which sell 20-30k at a time, if hes lucky. If Universal REALLY were handling him better, they would have found a niche in the market where they could give him original songs and he would succeed. Instead, they've churned out an unoriginal album to an audience dominated by middle aged women which will wear off in the future.

 

I have a strong feeling that Universal/Decca will be helping Joe bring out an album which is not completely "covers". Unless they have been pulling the wool over Joe's eyes, I understand he is going into the studio again in the New Year to record his third album. I don't mind a few covers - they are obviously more recognisable and act as a hook.

 

By the way Alex, who are you talking about in your first paragraph? It could be anyone who has had those things you mention. And not everyone wants, or needs, to have an arena tour. I know I much preferred Will's theatre tour that he did back in the day. The arena tours are too big for my likeing. The best time seeing Will was at Ronnie Scott's.

 

I fully expect the hype to die down - it is inevitable. But Joe's album will stay in the charts for a while as he has a tour lined up for November, which then follows on to Christmas. More sales!

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I have a strong feeling that Universal/Decca will be helping Joe bring out an album which is not completely "covers". Unless they have been pulling the wool over Joe's eyes, I understand he is going into the studio again in the New Year to record his third album. I don't mind a few covers - they are obviously more recognisable and act as a hook.

 

By the way Alex, who are you talking about in your first paragraph? It could be anyone who has had those things you mention. And no everyone wants, or needs, to have an arena tour. I know I much preferred Will's theatre tour that he did back in the day. The arena tours are too big for my likeing. The best time seeing Will was at Ronnie Scott's.

 

I fully expect the hype to die down - it is inevitable. But Joe's album will stay in the charts for a while as he has a tour lined up for November, which then follows on to Christmas. More sales!

 

I was talking about Olly Murs since I stated that he should've won over Joe and my point was argued.

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No it doesn't. It proved that Joe was given shite by Syco. Have you seen Syco's current and previous track records?!! Come on. No one would be blaming that label if they actually did their job, but as proven with how well Universal is doing with Joe, Syco has completely failed him and did not give him any support. That is the problem. Joe was always the winner, current to the industry, and he proved that with actual talent, and not needing to strip for a #1.

 

And this is not the first time that Syco has done this as well.

 

What is going on with Leona is upsetting, how mishandled she is. Then there is Shayne, who Syco basically tried to destroy his career. Syco made the brilliant idea to wait 3 years to release another album, and release a cover as a debut single. Then drop him like a hot potato. It goes on and on.

 

There is a reason why Simon/Syco is not respected in the music industry.

 

Anyway, this album looks to be staying in the Top 5 again this week, as it moves to #4 to. Great job to Joe and giving Syco a big middle finger! :)

 

There is no point putting all the blame on the record company. If Joe wasn't happy then he should have spoken up, he didn't, so he is partyly to blame for being such a flop.

Joe did speak up but privately to the Syco management. That is why they parted company with no acrimony (so I gather).

Well done Joe for being at No.3 in today's chart! Onwards and upwards! :D

I was just on play.com and they have Joe down for a november release with an album called classic christmas, anyone hear anything more on this?

How deluded can you be? When Joe gets two high selling number ones, an arena tour and an album selling over 400k' then and only then, will I be the first to say that Joe has proved to be the rightful winner.

 

Universal hasn't done anything better with Joe as he's churning out an album FULL of covers after winning a talent show full of Z-listers. The hype will soon die down and he'll churn out xmas and mothers day albums which sell 20-30k at a time, if hes lucky. If Universal REALLY were handling him better, they would have found a niche in the market where they could give him original songs and he would succeed. Instead, they've churned out an unoriginal album to an audience dominated by middle aged women which will wear off in the future.

 

How deluded and uneducated can you be? Universal with Joe proved how badly handled he was by that shite Syco. I mean to be 5 weeks in the Top 5, and now 6 weeks in Top 10 is impressive, and he is doing it with NO airplay, NO singles, no big TV slot, and no big marketing. And it is a competitive season with Will, Example, James, Ed, David, Wretch, Tony, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and others.

 

Joe already proved how he is so much more talented than Olly during X Factor, where it was a level playing field. He didn't used big dancers, and media whoring, but just getting out there and proving how much of a great artist he is. Joe already got a #1 selling single. He is a respected class act with actual, unique talent, and doesn't need to strip to get a #1. This is why he sang for the Queen and royal family TWICE, and featured in a blockbuster movie.

 

Katherine Jenkins, Rolando Villazón, and Andrea Bocelli, are such Z-listers :rolleyes: Good job with that!

 

He did NOT bring this album out during xmas and holiday season like all x Factor acts. He did NOT released it during mothers day like Mary Bryne and other artists. And he is building his own hype because time-and-time again Joe proved himself as a great artist, and will be here for a long time as he matures.

 

And Adele, Florence and the Machines, Ellie Gouldings, Whitney Houston, Michael Buble, Katherine Jenkins much be handled so BADLY by their record label because they covered songs in there albums and so unoriginal. :rolleyes: Andrea Bocelli is probably the worst one since he has been releasing covers all his life. Good job again :rolleyes: ! It actually shows how unique and original these artists and Joe are to transform these songs into something of their own and sell well with them. ;)

 

And why don't you actually do some research because as you can see from Joe's fanbase, there is A LOT of younger women AND men. Again, good job. You are really hitting a home-run on these comments. :rolleyes:

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I was just on play.com and they have Joe down for a november release with an album called classic christmas, anyone hear anything more on this?

 

 

Official announcements has not been made yet, but due to the success of this album, I assume Universal will re-releasing the album with added christmas songs.

That would make sense re releasing the album with an extra christmas disc, if it happens it could do very well and overall bring the album well past platnum.

Joe already proved how he is so much more talented than Olly during X Factor, where it was a level playing field. He didn't used big dancers, and media whoring, but just getting out there and proving how much of a great artist he is. Joe already got a #1 selling single. He is a respected class act with actual, unique talent, and doesn't need to strip to get a #1. This is why he sang for the Queen and royal family TWICE, and featured in a blockbuster movie.

 

Most of his performances were boring though, having dancers doesn't mean you have less talent than someone who just stands still for a whole song.

Unique talent? Not really, he is talented, I'll give you that, but he isn't unique or original.

Olly only stripped AFTER he got to #1 :P and I for one was very happy to see that, the hottie that he is.