The new album i would like to believe will be Gary's priority and comtentness with the output rather than churning out an album for contractual reasons.

I cant see them just churning out an album and the other guys have there say to it isnt all gary, im sure it will all work out though.

Yeah they wont ever churn out albums like some artists. What is clear though is that without Gary Take That would not make the cut. Goodness knows what Progress would have sounded like if Robbie and Mark took the reins. They all refer to Gary as the Captain of the machine or the ship but we all know that he pulls the strings together. BW was very much Gary with help here and there from Mark and Howard lyrically, Circus was more balanced with Mark stepping up more but Gary wrote nearly all the music and instrumentals himself with John Shanks.

 

Speaking of Gary, he has just announced on twitter that Dawn is pregnant with child number 4! Congrats to him! :cheer: :cheer:

Edited February 19, 201213 yr by jay727

Gary is in talks to return to the x factor this year with a pay rise. According to the Daily Mail.

 

Says it all really doesn't it? Not that I blame the guy (I mean - its all we've come to expect from him) - I'd probably do the same ... but ... its hardly 'rock and roll' is it?

 

 

Yeah they wont ever churn out albums like some artists. What is clear though is that without Gary Take That would not make the cut. Goodness knows what Progress would have sounded like if Robbie and Mark took the reins. They all refer to Gary as the Captain of the machine or the ship but we all know that he pulls the strings together. BW was very much Gary with help here and there from Mark and Howard lyrically, Circus was more balanced with Mark stepping up more but Gary wrote nearly all the music and instrumentals himself with John Shanks.

 

Speaking of Gary, he has just announced on twitter that Dawn is pregnant with child number 4! Congrats to him! :cheer: :cheer:

 

 

Great news, i love reading good positive news as god knows its rare these days among the doom gloom and recession, dawn and gary are fairly churning out the kids, i wonder will this be the last or will they keep going, they are lucky as they have the finances for a big family so fair play to them and best of luck health and happiness to the furture arrival.

Fantastic news, i am sure Gary and Dawn are thrilled as are his 3 other kids, 2012 without doubt will be another great year for Gary.

If gary is having more kids and trying to record a new solo album, I'm not sure how this will fit around doing the x factor this year and a Take That new album.

It is alot of work and all three are big work loads although his forthcoming child and existing children will be his priority im sure along with his wife. These however are the 3 main functions he has this not even taken into account the various other bits and pieces he is involved in. So strange when recapping on how just over 10 years ago not one person in the industry would even consider him for opening an envelope never mind anything else.

Yeah they wont ever churn out albums like some artists. What is clear though is that without Gary Take That would not make the cut. Goodness knows what Progress would have sounded like if Robbie and Mark took the reins. They all refer to Gary as the Captain of the machine or the ship but we all know that he pulls the strings together. BW was very much Gary with help here and there from Mark and Howard lyrically, Circus was more balanced with Mark stepping up more but Gary wrote nearly all the music and instrumentals himself with John Shanks.

 

Speaking of Gary, he has just announced on twitter that Dawn is pregnant with child number 4! Congrats to him! :cheer: :cheer:

 

 

And the world would came to the end without Captain Barlow. :teresa:

 

That they refer to Gary as the captain is one and another thing is who wrote the music. He wrotes the song he and Howard sings, and they are most of the times the weakest on the album (IMO). Without the cutting edge of Mark style and the involvement of the other , it would just have been like the songs Gary wrote for the other artists. He is too self-indulged in his song-writing.

 

Take That is for me all four (without counting Robbie, whose heart i don't think to be with TT). WIthout any of them, it won't be TakeThat, may Gary do whatever he likes.

 

For a new album i only hope they will take another producer. Progress didn't do too much for me and i think John SHanks is overrated and succed only to make bland all the acts he has... The Circus was a very good album despite John SHanks and not because him, his style is the Beautiful WOrld one, like he proved doing the producing for Westlife and Bon Jovi (shrugs).

I agree on a few thinhs here, take that is about all 4 well 3 for me as jason to me doesnt add much but i know many disagree, but mark definitly has a good influence on take that music and i like the combination of mark and gary. I also agree they should move on from progress, i do like the album and i adore the flood and really love 8 letters and love love but i would much prefer the new album to have more of a circus/beautiful world style. I loved the whole circus era and would love them to go down that route again, the whole album just clicked with me and in a sense its the take that album to beat for me.

And the world would came to the end without Captain Barlow. :teresa:

 

:lol: You're right in your irony Iris! It seems that Gary is the centre of the universe! And he's very, very fertile! Sorry - I just can't stand the man!

 

I still like TT - but I hope that Mark finds his balls and takes over the reigns for the next album. Apart from 'The Garden' (which I still detest) Mark's songs on The Circus were still the best. Either that or he should just take a rain check - and see how well Take That can do when it isn't all four of them involved.

 

Wishing Gary luck with his solo career!

LOL I had a feeling Kath might point out the pay rise thing, but at the end of the day it doesnt say anything about him demanding a pay rise, the links all say that Simon Cowell and the producers are keen to secure Gary as head judge. Personally if they were offering me more money for the same job then I like everyone else (I imagine) on this forum would accept it. If ITV want to pay Gary more money then that's their call. They will have to be careful though as although no one will argue that Gary is the most successful on the panel Tulisa and Louis will want a pay rise and im sure whoever succeeds Kelly will want a nice chunk as well. Here's me thinking ITV were running low on money. Guess the ewspapers are wrong again :lol:

 

 

 

For a new album i only hope they will take another producer. Progress didn't do too much for me and i think John SHanks is overrated and succed only to make bland all the acts he has... The Circus was a very good album despite John SHanks and not because him, his style is the Beautiful WOrld one, like he proved doing the producing for Westlife and Bon Jovi (shrugs).

 

 

I agree with this, I think John Shanks was excellent during BW and Circus but I dont think they should go back to him. Cant imagine Stuart Price producing either unless they do a 4 piece Progress styled album which we all know wont happen.

 

The album will definately be more Circus if anything else. I wonder whether there will be a time when Gary or Take That as a whole will produce the album on their own. They are already writing it so maybe thats the next logical step for them? who knows, we might get Shanks back again as he and Gary are very good mates and still write together

Edited February 20, 201213 yr by jay727

I agree on a few thinhs here, take that is about all 4 well 3 for me as jason to me doesnt add much but i know many disagree, but mark definitly has a good influence on take that music and i like the combination of mark and gary. I also agree they should move on from progress, i do like the album and i adore the flood and really love 8 letters and love love but i would much prefer the new album to have more of a circus/beautiful world style. I loved the whole circus era and would love them to go down that route again, the whole album just clicked with me and in a sense its the take that album to beat for me.

 

You're wrong Pete - the success of Take That relies on all four of them. Luckily for the fans - all four of them know which side their bread is buttered so any future tour WILL be at least four of them.

LOL I had a feeling Kath might point out the pay rise thing,

 

Jay - the one thing I do respect Gary for is that he's never made a secret that money is a HUGE incentive for him. His honesty in this department cannote be faulted!

 

Kath

You're wrong Pete - the success of Take That relies on all four of them. Luckily for the fans - all four of them know which side their bread is buttered so any future tour WILL be at least four of them.

 

I never said the success doesnt rely on all 4 of the, as it does, just for me im not quite sure what jasons role is. I have always been a fan of howard and would love a front lead single for him again, and gary and mark as we know add alot, i have often said in previous posts that if gary is to ever go solo i think he would be daft to think without take that he will survive as his success all stems from take that and what take that is, i think solo work will/is accepted as a sideline but should he quit take that he would need to make some very very very astounding music to survive or otherwise i could see a repeat of first time round again.

 

When the 4 lads work together we know it ends in greatness as we have seen over and over again, working with robbie has also done the same but again i would question does robbie really add anything to take that anymore, for me i would rather take that as 4 continue releasing music, i did enjoy gary's solo stuff alot but i do think he is better as part of take that and i would be shocked if he thinks anything different himself.

I still like TT - but I hope that Mark finds his balls and takes over the reigns for the next album. Apart from 'The Garden' (which I still detest) Mark's songs on The Circus were still the best. Either that or he should just take a rain check - and see how well Take That can do when it isn't all four of them involved.

 

Mark's song on the Circus? Just because he sung lead vocal doesnt mean that he wrote them himself! I remember reading a few articles when it was due to be released that there was 4 or 5 songs (including parts of songs such as Mark wanting to sing the bridge in the Garden) that the lead vocals were swapped around. One of which was Howard sung the original demo to Hold up a Light which would have been interesting to hear but Mark took it over as Howard didnt want more than 2 leads (dont ask why cos I have no idea).

 

To be fair Kath you say Mark should see how well TT do when they arent all involved...well Gary wrote the first 3 albums and the majority of the singles all by himself and that music propelled them into superstardom in the first place. Gary is pivotal to the success of TT, without his songwriting, his voice and all the other things he brings to the table behind closed doors I cant imagine TT being as big.

 

And remember how badly Mark did when he didnt work with Take That...number 30 albums, singles that missed top 40 etc.

 

They know they work well as a 4 piece and that they are best mates who enjoy creating music together. Mark is a vital component in this music making but I think Gary (and even Robbie on the last album) bring out the best in him

 

 

I never said the success doesnt rely on all 4 of the, as it does, just for me im not quite sure what jasons role is. I have always been a fan of howard and would love a front lead single for him again, and gary and mark as we know add alot, i have often said in previous posts that if gary is to ever go solo i think he would be daft to think without take that he will survive as his success all stems from take that and what take that is, i think solo work will/is accepted as a sideline but should he quit take that he would need to make some very very very astounding music to survive or otherwise i could see a repeat of first time round again.

 

When the 4 lads work together we know it ends in greatness as we have seen over and over again, working with robbie has also done the same but again i would question does robbie really add anything to take that anymore, for me i would rather take that as 4 continue releasing music, i did enjoy gary's solo stuff alot but i do think he is better as part of take that and i would be shocked if he thinks anything different himself.

 

I agree, Jason as shown in LBDS is more of the guy who plots a path for the album/tour but his involvement in music itself is probably one or two lyrics here and there and then playing a bit of guitar on the demo tapes...maybe some dancing but i wouldnt know how all that works. He again is a vital component to TT but in all honesty he doesnt bring to the table what the other 3 can.

 

If Gary wants to release a solo album out there then thats fine, people will buy it and it will do very well but I think we all know he isnt stupid enough to call an end to TT to repeat the solo leap again. He said he wants to release something in the future but maybe thats just a way of going full circle as 12months probably wasnt the ideal way he intended his solo career to finish.

 

I wouldnt say Robbie has actually added much, Mark and Gary could have sung his vocals on Progress equally as good but im sure Progress' style was to adopt the weird and wonderful ecentricity of Robbie's lyrics (esp IC, Rudebox and RKTVS) now he has gone hopefully things will carry on as normal.

Mark and Gary working together i believe works nicely and they both benefit from each other. Jason i am sure in his own way adds to the process aswell and Howard definitly adds to the dynamics aswell. With Take That the magic is them all being together and various attempts at solo careers (robbie excluded) shows that the magic is not there when they are not together.

 

Marks initial lack of solo success totally caught me by surprise as i was sure he would easily achieve 1-2 number 1 singles and a platnum selling solo album at the least but it never happened. Green Mans underpeformance was a shock and i knew that was it for him as by this stage the whole Take That mania was dead and buried. Initially Mark was after commercial success but his later releases i think were more Mark doing what he wanted to do rather than solo success.

 

Gary solo wise had the most pressure as the press had him built up to be a huge solo star before he ever released a single and as history now tells us Gary;s solo career certainly did not live up to expectations. The driving force behind Take That now is the relationship and bond these 4 guys have working together which simply was not there the first time round and the success of Take That this time lies on that as the creativity is encouraged from them all and the output as a result has been fantastic. Without doubt Gary played the biggest role in the success of Take That first time round as he wrote so so much of the songs and sang lead on most aswell. That said, in equal measures Gary played the biggest part in them splitting up as he craved solo success and as a result Take That ended.

 

On reforming i think mark played a huge role in Take That phase 2. From what i believe Mark had contact with all members robbie included and in a sense held some form of relaionships with them all which would have been pivital in them reforming, am i also right in saying Mark's solo manager then turned out to be Take Thats manager? Again showing the importance of Marks role within the band.

 

I do agree Gary doing a solo project as asideline to take that could work extremely well for him and i 100% agree it would be like going full circle for him. Gary will want his solo legacy remembered far better than having a flop album to close his solo career. Even a moderatly successful album from him now would just make his solo outings look a bit more impressive and i wouldnt blame him for wanting to do that. As shame is listed under Garys name rather than Take That it makes his solo listings look a tad more successful ie his last solo single reached number 2 looks better than a flop.

Without doubt Gary played the biggest role in the success of Take That first time round as he wrote so so much of the songs and sang lead on most aswell. That said, in equal measures Gary played the biggest part in them splitting up as he craved solo success and as a result Take That ended.

 

On reforming i think mark played a huge role in Take That phase 2. From what i believe Mark had contact with all members robbie included and in a sense held some form of relaionships with them all which would have been pivital in them reforming, am i also right in saying Mark's solo manager then turned out to be Take Thats manager? Again showing the importance of Marks role within the band.

 

I do agree Gary doing a solo project as asideline to take that could work extremely well for him and i 100% agree it would be like going full circle for him. Gary will want his solo legacy remembered far better than having a flop album to close his solo career. Even a moderatly successful album from him now would just make his solo outings look a bit more impressive and i wouldnt blame him for wanting to do that. As shame is listed under Garys name rather than Take That it makes his solo listings look a tad more successful ie his last solo single reached number 2 looks better than a flop.

 

Yeah Gary did want to go solo but Robbie broke the band up. After he left they all said that something was missing and then that was when Gary turned his gaze towards solo material to get in before Robbie as there was some sort of clause in the record contract that Robbie couldnt release music till after Gary. In TT for the record they all wanted to end the band with Howard being the only exception.

 

Mark plays a big role as said previously but he has only come into his own from the Circus onwards. Gary and John Shanks pretty much wrote BW together whether that be through music or lyrics. Circus has much more of Marky's flair and Gary's music gives him the platform to express that.

 

I wouldnt say Gary had a flop solo career at all. He had 2 number 1 singles, and an album that went number one and sold 2 million copies worldwide. He also had a number 7 single, number 11 single (and top 50 in America) and then a couple of top 25 singles. Then of course Shame which did very well too. Its actually quite impressive, and alot better than many solo artists around today. People say it was a flop because it didnt last as long as Robbie's and 12 months scraped number 35 or something. Reality is it's not that bad at all!

Edited February 21, 201213 yr by jay727

Robbie leaving would have opened up the split discussions but the tempting solo careers proved to strong at the time to resist for them, and gary definitly wanted solo success as he often admitted. I know howard did not want the split and them splitting had more of a an effect on him than anyone as he wasnt in any way prepared for it. I agree and dis agree about garys solo career, it wasnt a total flop nor a huge sucess, maybe i should say it didnt live up to expectations, The open road era did reasonably well for him overall but unfortunatly everything around the 12 months 11 days era went wrong which i always say is a huge shame as for me i love that album and some of the songs are right up there with some of my favourite gary/take that songs.

Mark definitly made more of a stance in the circus era and i enjoyed that, in general i like most of the songs mark sings lead on including julie which many fans seem to dislike. I definitilty agree about mark and garys style mixed together works as i love what they come up more so than what gary and robbie came up on shame even though i do like shame it sjust i dont love it. Shame while it did well again didnt live up to expectations as i think when we first heard of a gary and robbie duet alot of people including myself expected a sure fire number 1 hit with strong sales and neither in reality happened.

Shame while it did well again didnt live up to expectations as i think when we first heard of a gary and robbie duet alot of people including myself expected a sure fire number 1 hit with strong sales and neither in reality happened.

 

Well it went in at number 2 with quite strong first week sales but Cee Lo's Forget You was released the same day and that just took off! Strangely again Shame wasnt promoted until after it was released, they promoted it properly the week Rob's album was out.

 

Either way is sold over 200k and is Silver in the Uk and charted pretty well in 19 countries worldwide so although it didnt sell millions it definately was a success. It did the job of promoting Rob's album to number 1 and then to make the world aware that Gary and Rob were friends again and that a TT album was on its way.