This is crazy crazy talk.Charity work is charity work, if Gary benefits from it good and well but the work he does benefits a huge amount of less fortunate people and how that is overlooked is beyond me. I am not 100% referring to Gary, but Kath the arguement your putting forward drives me insane, it doesnt matter what some people do they can do all the charity work in the world and do good for people time and time again but yet do somthing that someone doesnt agree with and all of that work is forgotten becuase they dared got something from themselves out of doing it.

 

Did Gary do to the Queen and ask for an OBE???No he did not but how dare the selfish ba****d accept an OBE,i mean how dare he accept something like that and overlook that in years to come his own kids can proudly say their Dad has an OBE.

 

Is what you are saying Kath, is that Gary should basically do everything for others and have absolute no reward for himself?? Maybe he should donate every penny he has, sell his home and leave his kids potless.

 

As for the avoiding tax debate, i too cant take your arguement seriously, because you totally left out Mark and Howard for doing the same or anyone else who has done it for that matter, and all this is done before the true facts have been confirmed.

 

The simple fact is it doesnt matter what Gary does you are gonna slate him and before you bite back saying i wont have a word against Gary, i certainly will voice my opinion when or if he does something that i feel is wrong. I dont think the sun shines out of his arse or anything like that and like most people he will put himself and his family first and the day he doesnt do that i will certainly slate him. I certainly believe what Mark done to Emma is certainly worse than anything Gary has ever done.

 

 

This is crazy crazy talk.Charity work is charity work, if Gary benefits from it good and well but the work he does benefits a huge amount of less fortunate people and how that is overlooked is beyond me. I am not 100% referring to Gary, but Kath the arguement your putting forward drives me insane, it doesnt matter what some people do they can do all the charity work in the world and do good for people time and time again but yet do somthing that someone doesnt agree with and all of that work is forgotten becuase they dared got something from themselves out of doing it.

 

Did Gary do to the Queen and ask for an OBE???No he did not but how dare the selfish ba****d accept an OBE,i mean how dare he accept something like that and overlook that in years to come his own kids can proudly say their Dad has an OBE.

 

Is what you are saying Kath, is that Gary should basically do everything for others and have absolute no reward for himself?? Maybe he should donate every penny he has, sell his home and leave his kids potless.

 

As for the avoiding tax debate, i too cant take your arguement seriously, because you totally left out Mark and Howard for doing the same or anyone else who has done it for that matter, and all this is done before the true facts have been confirmed.

 

The simple fact is it doesnt matter what Gary does you are gonna slate him and before you bite back saying i wont have a word against Gary, i certainly will voice my opinion when or if he does something that i feel is wrong. I dont think the sun shines out of his arse or anything like that and like most people he will put himself and his family first and the day he doesnt do that i will certainly slate him. I certainly believe what Mark done to Emma is certainly worse than anything Gary has ever done.

 

 

AMEN Pippa! Fantastic post!

 

Bottom line is Kath will always find a way of slating Gary. Even if this tax accusation remains unproven or if HMRC come out and say that Gary has paid what he supposed to pay Kath will probably turn around and blame Gary for wasting the media's time and HMRC resources :rolleyes:

 

 

 

These kinda debates open up alot but i do have say id like with pippa especially about the obe etc. As for the tax thing i dont fully follow to be honest as im not ovelry bothered about it but like said below there isnt anything definite yet as in whether its totally illegal etc.

Indeed these topics do and that is very understandable. That said, it just completly rattles me when people are just so one minded, have people forgotten how Gary was shamefully treated when his solo career stalled, he was hounded for absolutly no reason and yet he holds no grudges and now when he does something that benefits so many unfortunate people he gets slated aswell, i mean what do some people have to do. Some people are just so cynical and believe there is always an ulterior motive behind absolutly everything, maybe the point i am making is people shouldnt judge others by their own standards.

Again I agree completely Pippa, Gary was publicly humiliated all because Robbie was more of a loose cannon which the papers loved. Yet he hasn't said one word against what went on then and he never slated Robbie at all even when Rob was taking the mick out of him at nearly every opportunity through his setlists, interviews etc. Even Robbie has admitted that Gary never retaliated to him, he just kept on doing his own thing unnoticed for years until he came back with Patience.

 

But like i said, Kath will always find a way to slate Gary, that is an absolute certainty.

 

Oh and Kath, the accusation is nothing to do with offshore banking so you're wrong again there, that is just Jimmy Carr. Gary and the 1100+ people who you seem to keep forgetting including Mark and Howard have money invested into an ONSHORE icebreaker scheme which encourages the growth of music. That's the fact, and again, it is legal and nothing has been proven that shows he and the rest of the people have avoided the necessary rate of tax.

If a person simply hates or dislikes someone they will ignore all 1099 people and focus on the one they want to focus on which is Gary. What astonishes me is people like Gary Glitter for example is a person who has done something wrong, horrendous and dispicable, what he done deserves a backlash and punishment. Then we have people like Gary Barlow who gets nearly as much flack because he dared raise his profile through charity work i mean, what the hell is wrong with people it is simply nuts.

 

Kath what i cannot in any way fathom about your posts is how you can overlook the good in his charity work but completly focus on what Gary has achieved for himself out of it. Now, from your posts you seem like a person who does what they can for charity and i applaud you greatly for that, that said, no matter how hard you work and how much time you give to charity you cannot hit the levels that somone like Gary can (he isnt the only one either before you think im saying he is the only person ever to have done charity work). My main point is you like to tell people about what you have done for charity whether its buy a song etc or donate money so clearly you are proud to let people know as you dont keep it a secret, so why should Gary be punished for letting people know what he does????

 

The whole tax off shore stories i will hold back on yet as i do not know what has happened and it is totally unfair to judge (although Kath seems to have him locked up and the key thrown away already, innocnet until proven guilty does not seem to be coming into play here at all!!) but if it is something he has done wrong (1) he is not alone and (2) we have to see the extent of the deceit, then, when that is revealed we can truly judge him for what he has or may have not done.

Edited June 25, 201213 yr by pippa

Yeah but the main point with this tax thing is that it is 100% legal and it is not a criminal investigation into tax fraud or what else like Kath is making out. Every person wants to pay less tax, no one can deny that and if someone came to me for instance and said would you like to pay less tax and that its 100% legal then 99.9% of people would bite their hand off, that's just human nature.

 

Gary has done nothing wrong, he hasn't been avoiding his tax like Jimmy Carr, he has paid significant tax. But as you say Pippa, Kath has already thrown away the key :lol:

Yes, Kath does appear to have thrown away the key. I do respect i am a new member to this forum and i dont want to argue with people who are here much longer than i am. That said, i have found it difficult or maybe dis-heartening (for a better word) reading alot of posts from Kath that are full of constant negativity about Gary and its constant digs, snipes etc. all directed with the same vein. Kath doesnt appear to have any problem with the other members of the group though which is positive.

I did read through alot of posts when i joined and i often go back and look at old topics etc. to see what went on before i joined and maybe i am wrong (but Kath if your reading) you didnt appear to hate Gary as much as you do now, there was even some nice posts about Garys sense of humour in some old threads but you have even changed your opinion there from what i can make out.

hi. i'm quite new to buzzjacks and this is my first ever post on this website, but you've got to start somewhere.

 

kath, i can't be sure, but i strongly suspect you're the same person who i've seen posting in many other places on the internet, sometimes in different names. i say this because you repeat yourself a lot, and your posts across sites are almost identical, and you CLEARLY have what i would describe as an almost boderline unhealthy hatred of gary barlow. from how you act about him you'd think he'd gone to your house to shoot your cat! i can only imagine that either you were once impartial to this man, and he must have deliberately done something incredibly personal to hurt you, or else you must have one time really loved him and he's done something completely unknowingly and indirect to hurt you. either way, you do seem to treat anything he does as rather personal....

 

but anyway.

 

my point for posting is to weigh in my views on the whole tax/obe thing.

firstly, as has been pointed out before, the scheme that jimmy used is completely different from the one that take that (sans jason orange) used. jimmy placed all of his money into an offshore account in jersey, leaving only a tiny amount behind to "pay himself" with as a salary. it was that miniscule amount which he was taxed on. any other money he needed, he simply "loaned" to himself, as offshore loans are non-taxable. we know for a fact that the end sum of tax that jimmy carr was paying was ~1%.

 

the take that scheme involved three members of take that plus their manager (though according to kath it's only gary who's actually relevant here, because if you are who i think you are, then gary's just a "meanie", while mark's such a nice guy that really shocked you and howard's "nice but thick".....?). [personally i find having multiple affairs behind your partners back aswell as a long running deep emotional affair which carried on in parallel to relationship with said partner and happened to include having sex with her on occasions such as around the time "official" partner was giving birth to second child and a week before their wedding to be slightly more morally wrong than anything that's happening here, but hey ho, that's just me :wacko:]

the details of the scheme are as of yet unknown, although we do know that a collective investment between the four guys was made. we do not however know any other financial details, such as how much contribution individuals made, how much they each earn or how much tax as a percentage (or figure) that ANY of them actually paid. we do. not. know. all that's been said so far is that all of them "pay significant taxes".

the premiss of the scheme is also totally different. while jimmy tucked all of his money away in jersey to loan to himself when needed, TT made an investment in a uk based scheme which says that it's design is to aid in musical developement in the uk, although the scheme did permit investors to increase their investment value through using an offshore loan. (a real offshore loan - not just taking your own money from another place).

 

none of this is in any way illegal.

 

my own view is that 1% is far too low, and what jimmy did is definately a hell of a lot dodgier than what TT did, although as TT's actual tax figures aren't known yet i shall reserve my judgement. however, lets be frank - tax avoidance is nothing new (off the top of my head...stone roses, beatles, u2, iggy pop, elton, one direction, vodaphone, lewis hamilton, lord ascroft, phillip green, amazon, play, asda(?) and other major corporations, half the mps in parliament (and if memory serves me correctly, wasn't what most of those very mps doing with a certain expense scandal actually illegal?...."give back his OBE" my backside! how about you give up your own seat in parliament and go to prison - you're the one that broke the law!)). basically what i'm saying is that if we were to truelly be so morally outraged about all this as to boycot anyone who'd ever avoided tax....we'd all have to very quickly learn how to do everything DIY, live off the fruit and veg of our backgardens, make our own clothes and our own shoes, pretty much never use phones again, only watch the BBC (and only specific programmes - don't want to subsidise the wage of someone avoiding tax now, do we!!), and be even MORE careful about who's music we dare to like!

 

this thing of singling out indivuals is absolutely ridiculous. the fact of the matter is that what they did is 100% legal, and i guarantee you most people would jump at the chance to do it themselves. the problem lies in the law. it's that that people should direct their anger at, not the individuals who comply with it.

 

 

and i'm sorry but as for "if they all paid tax there'd be no need for charities".....WHAAATTT??? how on EARTH do you come to that conclusion???!!! there will ALWAYS be charities - FACT! and paying tax does not change the outcome of a charity - infact, charitable donations are non-taxable! what you say makes no sense at all. that is not how the world works. and nomatter what gary ended up paying on his tax bill that doesn't change the amount of millions that he has raised that have actually made a difference to people's lives. the two aren't even related, so i'm sorry but that's got to be one of the biggest grasps for thin air i've seen in a while now...

hi. i'm quite new to buzzjacks and this is my first ever post on this website, but you've got to start somewhere.

 

kath, i can't be sure, but i strongly suspect you're the same person who i've seen posting in many other places on the internet, sometimes in different names. i say this because you repeat yourself a lot, and your posts across sites are almost identical, and you CLEARLY have what i would describe as an almost boderline unhealthy hatred of gary barlow. from how you act about him you'd think he'd gone to your house to shoot your cat! i can only imagine that either you were once impartial to this man, and he must have deliberately done something incredibly personal to hurt you, or else you must have one time really loved him and he's done something completely unknowingly and indirect to hurt you. either way, you do seem to treat anything he does as rather personal....

 

but anyway.

 

my point for posting is to weigh in my views on the whole tax/obe thing.

firstly, as has been pointed out before, the scheme that jimmy used is completely different from the one that take that (sans jason orange) used. jimmy placed all of his money into an offshore account in jersey, leaving only a tiny amount behind to "pay himself" with as a salary. it was that miniscule amount which he was taxed on. any other money he needed, he simply "loaned" to himself, as offshore loans are non-taxable. we know for a fact that the end sum of tax that jimmy carr was paying was ~1%.

 

the take that scheme involved three members of take that plus their manager (though according to kath it's only gary who's actually relevant here, because if you are who i think you are, then gary's just a "meanie", while mark's such a nice guy that really shocked you and howard's "nice but thick".....?). [personally i find having multiple affairs behind your partners back aswell as a long running deep emotional affair which carried on in parallel to relationship with said partner and happened to include having sex with her on occasions such as around the time "official" partner was giving birth to second child and a week before their wedding to be slightly more morally wrong than anything that's happening here, but hey ho, that's just me :wacko:]

the details of the scheme are as of yet unknown, although we do know that a collective investment between the four guys was made. we do not however know any other financial details, such as how much contribution individuals made, how much they each earn or how much tax as a percentage (or figure) that ANY of them actually paid. we do. not. know. all that's been said so far is that all of them "pay significant taxes".

the premiss of the scheme is also totally different. while jimmy tucked all of his money away in jersey to loan to himself when needed, TT made an investment in a uk based scheme which says that it's design is to aid in musical developement in the uk, although the scheme did permit investors to increase their investment value through using an offshore loan. (a real offshore loan - not just taking your own money from another place).

 

none of this is in any way illegal.

 

my own view is that 1% is far too low, and what jimmy did is definately a hell of a lot dodgier than what TT did, although as TT's actual tax figures aren't known yet i shall reserve my judgement. however, lets be frank - tax avoidance is nothing new (off the top of my head...stone roses, beatles, u2, iggy pop, elton, one direction, vodaphone, lewis hamilton, lord ascroft, phillip green, amazon, play, asda(?) and other major corporations, half the mps in parliament (and if memory serves me correctly, wasn't what most of those very mps doing with a certain expense scandal actually illegal?...."give back his OBE" my backside! how about you give up your own seat in parliament and go to prison - you're the one that broke the law!)). basically what i'm saying is that if we were to truelly be so morally outraged about all this as to boycot anyone who'd ever avoided tax....we'd all have to very quickly learn how to do everything DIY, live off the fruit and veg of our backgardens, make our own clothes and our own shoes, pretty much never use phones again, only watch the BBC (and only specific programmes - don't want to subsidise the wage of someone avoiding tax now, do we!!), and be even MORE careful about who's music we dare to like!

 

this thing of singling out indivuals is absolutely ridiculous. the fact of the matter is that what they did is 100% legal, and i guarantee you most people would jump at the chance to do it themselves. the problem lies in the law. it's that that people should direct their anger at, not the individuals who comply with it.

and i'm sorry but as for "if they all paid tax there'd be no need for charities".....WHAAATTT??? how on EARTH do you come to that conclusion???!!! there will ALWAYS be charities - FACT! and paying tax does not change the outcome of a charity - infact, charitable donations are non-taxable! what you say makes no sense at all. that is not how the world works. and nomatter what gary ended up paying on his tax bill that doesn't change the amount of millions that he has raised that have actually made a difference to people's lives. the two aren't even related, so i'm sorry but that's got to be one of the biggest grasps for thin air i've seen in a while now...

 

Hey there Jenny! Welcome to the forum and hope you post here regularly :)

 

Very good post by the way! Kath is 99.9% the same Kath who appears across the internet, I've done the same thing as you and had a little look on the TT website etc for example. One of my favourite responses to Kath slagging off Gary was quite recent, some person replied Go back to buzzjack and slag Gary off there, which i found amusing as she certainly has in the past :lol: Again yeah I think I've asked Kath before how she can categorically hate the guy when she has never met him and has never done anything like cheating, breaking the law etc etc

 

I agree completely with what you say about the tax situation, Gary and co could have invested 2 million or 2 pound into the scheme who knows and tbh who cares, they pay significant tax anyways and weren't doing it to con HMRC out of paying tax unlike Carr.

 

Love the way the MPs are trying to judge people when as you say half the Parliament was/are so corrupt its ridiculous! But yet here they are giving moral advice and lessons to someone who has not broken the law at all. It is ridiculous how Mark, Howard and their manager have been completely ignored by people like Kath and the media.

 

And yes Kath's argument about there being no need for charities if we all paid tax and that she wouldnt give to CIN now etc cos Gary is involved in fundraising is baffling. He is using his fame and his name to attract big celebrities and audiences who will in turn give money and increase awareness, there is no sinister motive to take over the world, its just he's been down before and he wants to give something back now that he has got a second chance at his career

Edited June 25, 201213 yr by jay727

I believe it looks evident that Kath simply hates Gary and is not just expressing those feelings on buzzjack but elsewhere aswell. I would like is Kath posted so she could voice her opinion and some of the points we made aand even tell us without a slagging match why she hates Gary.

 

Jenny it was lovely to read your post as it was informative and i hope you stay with us here on buzzjack/take that forum and continue posting with us.

awww...thanks guys. sorry about how LONG that post was btw! generally speaking i don't normally actually post things, but just choose to read around on different forums to get a feel of general opinions on things, but when i do make a post on something it has to be important enough too spark me into it, and then i end up writing an essay! lol!

Great to see you here jenny and feel free to post essays if you like as so far they are interesting!!!

Nothing wrong with long posts or essays as you call them Jenny, all it shows is you like to express your thoughts and opinions which i find interesting.

I believe it looks evident that Kath simply hates Gary and is not just expressing those feelings on buzzjack but elsewhere aswell. I would like is Kath posted so she could voice her opinion and some of the points we made aand even tell us without a slagging match why she hates Gary.

If you want to hear her opinion i'd recommend this thread here Pippa > http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...43480&st=20

 

Kath is definitely voicing her opinions over there :lol:

 

Voicing opinions indeed, polar opposites in contrast to myself as i just dont enter those style of debates and i believe they are totally irrelevant in distract from Take That as a music band.

Anyone want to put a bid in for these?

 

http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/x-factor/x-fa...shoes-charidee/

Such sad news :(

 

Gary Barlow and wife Dawn 'devestated' after baby daughter is stillborn

 

Gary Barlow and his wife, Dawn, are “devastated” after their baby daughter, Poppy, was delivered stillborn.

 

Poppy was born on Saturday, eight-and-a-half months into the pregnancy.

 

In a statement, the Take That star and X Factor judge said: “Dawn and I are devastated to announce that we’ve lost our baby. Poppy Barlow was delivered stillborn on August 4th in London.

 

“Our focus now is giving her a beautiful funeral and loving our three children with all our hearts. We’d ask at this painful time that our privacy be respected.”

 

Barlow announced in February that Dawn, 42, was expecting the couple’s fourth child, telling fans that they were “a very excited family”. The due date was two weeks away.

The singer and musician married his wife, a dancer, in 2000. They are parents to Daniel, 11, Emily, 10, and three-year-old Daisy.

 

Barlow, 41, played a major role in the Diamond Jubilee celebrations this year, helping to organise the concert outside Buckingham Palace and co-writing Sing, the official Jubilee song, with Andrew Lloyd Webber.

 

In June, Barlow was voted Celebrity Dad of the Year and said: “Being a dad is a really important part of my life and it means a lot to have won this award.”

 

His bandmate, Mark Owen, announced the birth of a baby daughter two weeks ago.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebrityn...-stillborn.html

I think this sad news need a thread of their own and don't be mixed with trivial discussion.

 

I feel for Dawn especially... I am going now through a rough preganancy myself and i can feel how difficult it is. RIP little baby.

 

There is nothing one can say to comfort the Barlow family. I hope the media will have the decency to let them alone!