i was talking about now ,today not 10,20, or 30 years ago. I don't live in Germany,Spain, or N Ireland but these other terrorist groups are not targetting me now today in the UK. Do you agree with everything Scott says, even about the Israelis.

 

I largely agree yes, who was it that funded and trained Osama Bin Laden ? the CIA he was "convenient" to us till he turned against the west but various American regimes armed Osama to the teeth :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

I think Bush and Blair are war criminals who should be on trial in The Hague for the deaths of 28,000 Iraqi civilians the majority of which died in one night in Shock And Awe

 

I disagree in general about the Israeli's, whatever the rights and wrongs about Palestinian situation Israel was under constant attack so has mitigation in terms of defending itself

You disagree that we've killed tens of thousands in Iraq....?

 

You disagree that we refer to civilian deaths as "collateral damage"...?

 

You disagree that the Docklands Arms Fair supplies arms to repressive regimes....?

 

You're a fool who clearly only reads Tabloids....

 

I suppose you believe that our reasons for going into Iraq were all totally moral and above board and absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that Iraq has the third biggest oil reserves in the world......

 

And I suppose when America put across some rubbish excuse for invading Venezuela you'll believe that too.....

 

Not in my name, I didn't vote for Bliar, or new Labour, never have, Disagree with the invasion if Iraq,I'm only saying that if these arrests prove correct(and its a big iff, going by recent arrests) we may have to accept that we are now targets, and nothing we can say or do is going to change it, I can't say to a potential bomb terrorist on a plane " oh please don't blow up the plane as i sympathise with your cause, its not gonna give him a conscience is it. He's still gonna press the button.

 

There's not a lot i can do about iraq, i could write to No. 10 but they will put it in the bin along with your letter too.

 

But there are some muslin terrorists who would stop at nothing to convert all of the west to their religion.

 

This is a war and in most wars unless there is a total ceasefire from both sides, then heaven help us.

Not in my name, I didn't vote for Bliar, or new Labour, never have, Disagree with the invasion if Iraq,I'm only saying that if these arrests prove correct(and its a big iff, going by recent arrests) we may have to accept that we are now targets, and nothing we can say or do is going to change it, I can't say to a potential bomb terrorist on a plane " oh please don't blow up the plane as i sympathise with your cause, its not gonna give him a conscience is it. He's still gonna press the button.

 

There's not a lot i can do about iraq, i could write to No. 10 but they will put it in the bin along with your letter too.

 

But there are some muslin terrorists who would stop at nothing to convert all of the west to their religion.

 

This is a war and in most wars unless there is a total ceasefire from both sides, then heaven help us.

 

Our (well our government) backing of America and its utterly vile foreign policy is what has got us into this mess in the first place, we went 2005 years without a single muslim shedding blood on our soil and now we are right in the firing line because of Bush and Blair, if Blair had any guts which he clearly does not he would end this "special relationship" with America and focus on improving relations and cooperation with Europe

 

I really would not shed a single tear or have even the slightest bit of sympathy were Bush or Blair assassinated

Our (well our government) backing of America and its utterly vile foreign policy is what has got us into this mess in the first place, we went 2005 years without a single muslim shedding blood on our soil and now we are right in the firing line because of Bush and Blair, if Blair had any guts which he clearly does not he would end this "special relationship" with America and focus on improving relations and cooperation with Europe

 

I really would not shed a single tear or have even the slightest bit of sympathy were Bush or Blair assassinated

 

 

now we are in agreement <_<

I largely agree yes, who was it that funded and trained Osama Bin Laden ? the CIA he was "convenient" to us till he turned against the west but various American regimes armed Osama to the teeth :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

I think Bush and Blair are war criminals who should be on trial in The Hague for the deaths of 28,000 Iraqi civilians the majority of which died in one night in Shock And Awe

 

I disagree in general about the Israeli's, whatever the rights and wrongs about Palestinian situation Israel was under constant attack so has mitigation in terms of defending itself

 

Point one - Well put mate. You wanna know why Bin Laden turned against his CIA paymasters...? He objected to the West setting up permanent army bases on Arab soil, as well as being against the West's actions against Iraq in '91 (see, Iraq again comes up and plays a MAJOR part in AQ's whole ideology...). The Americans (and the Islamists themselves..) want us to believe that it's all only about 'Islam vs Christianity' because it's an easy sell, but this is utter nonsense, there are very powerful political motives behind AQ's actions which are being overlooked in favour of the simplicity..

 

Point two - in total and utter agreement

 

Point three - well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one... :lol: To me, Israel and the US' uncritical support of Israel (going so far as to veto UN resolutions against Israel) is a very important factor in all of this insanity...

Our (well our government) backing of America and its utterly vile foreign policy is what has got us into this mess in the first place, we went 2005 years without a single muslim shedding blood on our soil and now we are right in the firing line because of Bush and Blair, if Blair had any guts which he clearly does not he would end this "special relationship" with America and focus on improving relations and cooperation with Europe

 

I really would not shed a single tear or have even the slightest bit of sympathy were Bush or Blair assassinated

 

100% in agreement...

Not in my name, I didn't vote for Bliar, or new Labour, never have, Disagree with the invasion if Iraq,I'm only saying that if these arrests prove correct(and its a big iff, going by recent arrests) we may have to accept that we are now targets, and nothing we can say or do is going to change it, I can't say to a potential bomb terrorist on a plane " oh please don't blow up the plane as i sympathise with your cause, its not gonna give him a conscience is it. He's still gonna press the button.

 

There's not a lot i can do about iraq, i could write to No. 10 but they will put it in the bin along with your letter too.

 

But there are some muslin terrorists who would stop at nothing to convert all of the west to their religion.

 

This is a war and in most wars unless there is a total ceasefire from both sides, then heaven help us.

 

Well, good for you for being against the war (and no, I'm not being sarcastic....) and going on protests and such, but now you're just allowing yourself to be scared and cowed by a lot of bullsh!t Govt propaganda about a so-called "terrorist threat". Sure, there probably are a few nutters out there who want to blow you up, but frankly mate, you're a hell of a lot more likely to have your skull caved in by some fukkin' binge drinking Chavs pished out their skulls on super-strength lager or get knifed by some bunch of little Hoodies for your mobile phone or your wallet than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack. So let's get fukkin' real for a minute yeah....?

 

Frankly mate, you should be more concerned about this Govt's relentless quest to erode every single one of your civil liberties (including the right to protest by the way... The Govt have already stopped protests on Parliament Square and at the Cenotaph and people have actually been arrested under the caveat of the Anti-Terror legislation for doing just that; next it'll be Animal Research labs...)...

Well, good for you for being against the war (and no, I'm not being sarcastic....) and going on protests and such, but now you're just allowing yourself to be scared and cowed by a lot of bullsh!t Govt propaganda about a so-called "terrorist threat". Sure, there probably are a few nutters out there who want to blow you up, but frankly mate, you're a hell of a lot more likely to have your skull caved in by some fukkin' binge drinking Chavs pished out their skulls on super-strength lager or get knifed by some bunch of little Hoodies for your mobile phone or your wallet than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack. So let's get fukkin' real for a minute yeah....?

 

Frankly mate, you should be more concerned about this Govt's relentless quest to erode every single one of your civil liberties (including the right to protest by the way... The Govt have already stopped protests on Parliament Square and at the Cenotaph and people have actually been arrested under the caveat of the Anti-Terror legislation for doing just that; next it'll be Animal Research labs...)...

 

well you've just stated what i was thinking, but you lay it out better than i could :)

Well, good for you for being against the war (and no, I'm not being sarcastic....) and going on protests and such, but now you're just allowing yourself to be scared and cowed by a lot of bullsh!t Govt propaganda about a so-called "terrorist threat". Sure, there probably are a few nutters out there who want to blow you up, but frankly mate, you're a hell of a lot more likely to have your skull caved in by some fukkin' binge drinking Chavs pished out their skulls on super-strength lager or get knifed by some bunch of little Hoodies for your mobile phone or your wallet than you are to be the victim of a terrorist attack. So let's get fukkin' real for a minute yeah....?

 

Frankly mate, you should be more concerned about this Govt's relentless quest to erode every single one of your civil liberties (including the right to protest by the way... The Govt have already stopped protests on Parliament Square and at the Cenotaph and people have actually been arrested under the caveat of the Anti-Terror legislation for doing just that; next it'll be Animal Research labs...)...

 

Yeah thats why I do wonder, Blair and Prescott and Labour have been getting a hammering in the polls lately what better way to put that out of peoples minds than a high profile terror alert to make people think in the government "in Blair we trust" and make him and his regime look like strong leaders and patriots who are fighting against a massive evil, next thing will be further cracking down of civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism not to mention the £200 per person ID cards (lets not go there or it will put me in a bad mood :| )

 

 

phew.... thanks, Rob.... I was expecting a barrage of false accusations of racism for these posts..... ;)

 

 

the thought crossed my mind tbh, but i dont think you are racist but are sincere and pretty right! lol

 

dont forget though that when i was at school racism was rife not only in life but on tv etc... therefore i might still be tainted!

 

or i might be a realist...:)

the thought crossed my mind tbh, but i dont think you are racist but are sincere and pretty right! lol

 

dont forget though that when i was at school racism was rife not only in life but on tv etc... therefore i might still be tainted!

 

or i might be a realist...:)

 

God how you are right about TV

 

The black and white minstrel show, Alf Garnett and other stuff would give the editor of the Daily Mail a coronary if it was on tv today

this Govt's relentless quest to erode every single one of your civil liberties (including the right to protest by the way... The Govt have already stopped protests on Parliament Square and at the Cenotaph and people have actually been arrested under the caveat of the Anti-Terror legislation for doing just that; next it'll be Animal Research labs...)...

 

Scott... can I just mention 1984... miners marches... Thatcher's bully boys in blue? I don't think it was this government specifically who tried to erode your right to march....

You clearly know nothing about terrorism, go do some research on the Red Brigade and the Bader Meinhoff group and ETA and the IRA and INLA and UDF and other such groups, are they muslims ???

 

 

..are ANY of these terrorists still operating? The current terrorist threat is 99.999% Muslim, and until everyone can honestly accept this, it will never be eradicated.

Scott... can I just mention 1984... miners marches... Thatcher's bully boys in blue? I don't think it was this government specifically who tried to erode your right to march....

Oh, come on, that was over 20 years ago, and I think you'll find I wont make any argument in favour of that and I support what Scargill said, he was fundamentally right; but this is 2006 mate so I reckon we should be a little more concerned with the here and now.. But seeing as you brought up the past... I dont believe the Tories EVER came up with any plans to have compulsory ID card schemes (I believe even Thatch herself thought the idea impractical) with biometric details on them, or denied us the right to protest in Parliament Square or the Cenotaph, even at the height of the IRA terror campaign; nor was there any talk of invading or attacking the Republic of Ireland even though many IRA terrorists would cross over the Eire/NI border with seeming impunity and the Garda didnt exactly seem to bust a gut stopping them...

 

Now, this Govt.... who has taken part in an invasion of a country that NEVER ONCE threatened our borders, never killed a British citizen (unlike, say, LIBYA...) or took part in any terrorist activity against our country (again, unlike, say LIBYA who we're now supposed to be all matey with.....But hey, what's wiping out a small Scottish village between new friends, eh...?)

..are ANY of these terrorists still operating? The current terrorist threat is 99.999% Muslim, and until everyone can honestly accept this, it will never be eradicated.

 

We accept that there's a problem, but we do not accept the Govt and the media distortions of the facts, and frankly your rather jaundiced opinions of the Muslim community are not gonna help these matters come to an end.... I work with several Muslim lads and sorry, but they're okay by me and none of this sh!te is even an issue between us, and I totally resent this sub-Daily Mail rubbish that you're coming away with, it's frankly unworthy of you because you're smarter than this; and you seem to forget that in the bad old days of the AIDS hysteria, there was a lot of VERY similar distortions and jaundiced so-called "facts" about the Gay Community that were being propogated by the Tabloid Media and by the Govt of the day... It's very, very easy to distort a "threat" and whip up a media frenzy to attempt to alienate and cause hatred towards a minority group, ANY minority group.....

 

...It's all part of the twin process of 'Dehumanization' and 'Propoganda'. It worked in Nazi Germany, Bosnia, McCarthyite America, Stalinist Russia, Rwanda, etc, etc, invent an "enemy within" and it's easy to control, isolate and obliterate it....

Scott..

 

I've had colleagues and neighbours who were Muslim - and each and every one looked down on non-Muslims. Every single one of them.

 

My bloke lives in Riverside in Cardiff, a suburb now inhabited mainly by Muslims.... and time and time again he, and his neighbours who are Polish, have been threatened, ridiculed, ostracised and belittled.... for not being 'one of them'. Only last night, one of the fella's Polish neighhbours was beaten to a pulp by a gang of Muslim teenagers. The second time this has happened in 3 months.

 

Talking of 'utterly resenting' something as you have - ok - I ABSOLUTELY utterly resent being made to feel unwelcome in an area that, until 10 years ago, was a thriving happy predominantly Welsh Cardiff suburb... I'm fricking Welsh for Chrissakes... I've lived there all my bloody life! Now, since the Muslims have taken over the area, and 'taking over' is the correct phrase here, it's like a slum - rubbish piled high in the streets (daily), run-down houses, crime at an all-time high and the streets extremely unsafe after dark. Add to that the Muslim kids who are totally uncontrollable, out til midnight EVERY night (I'm talking 5 to 7 year olds here), and who graffiti the houses and scratch the cars (I saw one of the fukkers scraping along my car last weekend.... couldn't QUITE catch him, though... but I will).

 

My 'jaundiced' view of Muslims isn't gleaned from the Daily mail, but from personal experience, Scott.

 

Personally I would be more than happy to see every mosque in this country put under observation. The mosques apear to be the breeding ground for these scum hellbent on polluting our streets and killing our citizens - the Muslim leaders have proved unwilling to help root them out - so surveillance of EVERY mosque must be the next step.

 

The Muslim communities and in particular the Muslim council have proved themselves time and time again since the terrorism threat (and, yes - terrorism it is, nothing else) to be devious, untruthful, unreliable and utterly unhelpful to the cause of rooting out the cancer that is eating them away - the barbaric terrorists in their midst.

 

So it looks like we'll have to do it for them.

Scott..

 

I've had colleagues and neighbours who were Muslim - and each and every one looked down on non-Muslims. Every single one of them.

 

My bloke lives in Riverside in Cardiff, a suburb now inhabited mainly by Muslims.... and time and time again he, and his neighbours who are Polish, have been threatened, ridiculed, ostracised and belittled.... for not being 'one of them'. Only last night, one of the fella's Polish neighhbours was beaten to a pulp by a gang of Muslim teenagers. The second time this has happened in 3 months.

 

Talking of 'utterly resenting' something as you have - ok - I ABSOLUTELY utterly resent being made to feel unwelcome in an area that, until 10 years ago, was a thriving happy predominantly Welsh Cardiff suburb... I'm fricking Welsh for Chrissakes... I've lived there all my bloody life! Now, since the Muslims have taken over the area, and 'taking over' is the correct phrase here, it's like a slum - rubbish piled high in the streets (daily), run-down houses, crime at an all-time high and the streets extremely unsafe after dark. Add to that the Muslim kids who are totally uncontrollable, out til midnight EVERY night (I'm talking 5 to 7 year olds here), and who graffiti the houses and scratch the cars (I saw one of the fukkers scraping along my car last weekend.... couldn't QUITE catch him, though... but I will).

 

My 'jaundiced' view of Muslims isn't gleaned from the Daily mail, but from personal experience, Scott.

 

Personally I would be more than happy to see every mosque in this country put under observation. The mosques apear to be the breeding ground for these scum hellbent on polluting our streets and killing our citizens - the Muslim leaders have proved unwilling to help root them out - so surveillance of EVERY mosque must be the next step.

 

The Muslim communities and in particular the Muslim council have proved themselves time and time again since the terrorism threat (and, yes - terrorism it is, nothing else) to be devious, untruthful, unreliable and utterly unhelpful to the cause of rooting out the cancer that is eating them away - the barbaric terrorists in their midst.

 

So it looks like we'll have to do it for them.

 

And you say you dont sound like a Daily Mail editorial.....

 

This sounds like it could be any estate or run-down area, anywhere in the country and it could be any gang of youths (whether black, white or whatever...) doing it... You're making out that somehow Muslims are worse than anyone else, and that is utter bollocks. If you were living in the Parkhead area of Glasgow you'd see white, Catholic youths doing the same thing (and worse..) as the kids you're bitching about, so dont try and make out that the problems are exclusively to do with "Muslims" - frankly I doubt whether any of these people you are talking about are actually practicing "Muslims" at all, probably just Turkish or Pakistani kids who've never even seen the inside of a Mosque....

Scott...

 

the fella lives NEXT DOOR to a mosque - and the people I'm talking about are in and out of there all day every day. In fact, I believe the police visited there this evening after the Polish guy reported the attack - he's frightened to leave his fricking house because these animals go to this mosque next door to his house!

 

Next to Riverside is Canton, a predominantly non-Muslim area, multi racial, but very few Muslims.

 

The houses are well-kept, the gardens are lovely, the rubbish goes out on rubbish day, crime rates are low.

 

This is literally next door to Riverside, the Muslim area.

 

So my post was based solely on the fact that I'm very familiar with both areas - and the stark difference between the 2 areas is shocking.

Russ, I'm frankly getting very concerned about some of the language you are using - describing people from different ethnic backgrounds as 'animals', etc regardless of what they may or may not have done (which is a matter for the police to take care of..), and the fact that you are centring ALL your attacks SPECIFICALLY on one group in our society frankly concerns me, I will not tolerate racism as Mod on this Forum, simple as and some of the things you are saying to me sails pretty damn close...

 

I've said it before, you could be talking about ANYWHERE in the UK where there is a problem with Youth unemployment whether predominately Asian or White or Black (and I'm betting there is, and I'm also betting that there is a disproportionately high amount of unemployment amongst the Ethnic population, so, there you go, at least ONE explanation for why a problem might exist...).

Scott...

 

people can act like animals regardless of ethnic origin. And these kids ARE animals, end of.