For me i dont want them to split, as it stands i still think they are delivering the goods and quality goods so they still have mileage, i suppose im greedy when i say this but i would also love solo stuff from them aswell but given the choice i would pick that they stay together. I agree though Kath they do know where there bread is buttered, take that as a unit is what works best, had they not reformed in 2006 there is no way Gary would be on x factor etc, the whole success has once again come from take that just like it did first time round.

You've got to look at the big picture Iris. Take That is a huge thing (especially with Gary Barlow's name attached to it). I think Mark will only be allowed to do something solo if it is 'up there' with Take That's stuff - perhaps with Gary writing stuff for Mark.

 

Personally - I'd hope Take That (as a group) would call it a day now that Gary has got his solo career up and running. And that Mark would go ahead and do his solo stuff (I also think that Jason has some mileage as a dramatist, and obviously Howard has his DJ stuff going strong).

 

Sadly ... they all know which way their bread is buttered and how to please their financial advisers ... and Take That will plod on and on for a few more years safe in the knowledge that the fans will buy anything. I think personal creativity will NOT come into the equation at all.

 

 

As the manager of TT is the manager of Mark's solo days and Mark friend, i don't think he need the "bless" of noone to make something solo. From all four,right from the beginning, Mark was the only to say that he will make solo work further, so i am sure he knew what to write in his contracts. Ah, and he was already cowroting stuff and make a charity song already without the help of the mighty Gary, so what is the outcry here? Gary may have influence, but he is not the master of TT, the other three are free to use their heads. And no, Gary should not write stuff for Mark, oh dear, isn't enough that he writes for Robbie (*shrugs at Candy* ; the 2 songs Gary cowrote for Mark were some of the weakest on his second album, so , please, no! Gary have enough publicity-hungry artists who wants to bragg with his name) ? Actually, the old friends of Mark , Ben Mark and Jamie Norton, with whom Mark wrote many times, even on The Circus and Progress, are in his team for the solo album - this makes me more sure about the quality he might come with. About the producers i don't know what they done before and the mixing team worked for Coldplay.

 

At this moment i don't care if TT remains togheter or not, the egos are to big for my liking, Gary alienated for me totally, not keen on the direction of The Progress, not keen on Robbie releases and Gary imputs for other artists, not keen on over the top stadion tours, so i am not very interested in what they might come up next time. Why should they not remain togheter for the money? At the end of the day we all get to work for the money, what is bad about it?, at least TT is miles better than X-factor things and fake charities outings... :lol: .

 

I really cannot understand the so -called TT fans that are so much in fear about the quality of Mark works but keep raving about every little boring songs about Gary didn't care to make it better for other artists ? There are a lot of artists who makes work outside their trade-mark band and no-one got so much negativity than Mark. At the end of the day, if Mark woudn't have been interested in music, Gary would have been waited and waited for a reunion, as he tried before to make TT reunite (if we believe what is written in Feel, it was Mark against reuniting without Robbie for some time). Can you imagine TT only with Gary, Jason and Howard would have worked?

 

As i said, i don't care how much Mark will sell and how much TT fans will feel that he tarnished the so good name of TT because his songs would be somewhere in the low 500 chart of itunes. If all that matter for TT fans is chart success and good reviews and nice articles in Daily Mail and The Sun, well , good that i am not a fan and not to be mixed with such a lot. If i will like the music and he deliveres some quality music, i will be happy. But i am not someone to put = between quality and chart success and sales. I let the young ones to die with fear about it.

I understand what your saying but that is not what i meant by my own point, i fully agree agree positions and sales dont make a good song, a good song is a good song. The point i was trying to make is im sure when someone makes an album 1 they are happy with the album they make but i am sure when any artist makes an album and it sells it is a good feeling as you are like there are people out there who enjoy my music. I mean i know many great songs that were flops and just because they didnt sell it didnt make me dislike the song.

 

I think im different in that i dont care really what the lads do, say etc. I have always said the main focus for me is the music and soley the music, i dont care what they get involved in or do, i am lucky so far in that i enjoyed all of take thats albums, while progress is not their best album it is still a good album with some songs i love. In terms of Marks solo career, he has done a couple of that i love and some i dont like. I have bought 2 of his solo albums and didnt buy the others as alot of his music isnt the style i like. But if he does release new music and i am liking what i hear i will purchase it and likewise if he or take that release an album of music i dont like i will not be purchasing it.

The music is indeed the priority for me too. There is no way i would spend my money on music i do not like or enjoy or relate to no matter what i think of the person or people who make it. I happen to love and enjoy their music, the music lifts my mood, makes me smile or makes me remember something and that are my reasons for liking Take That. When this attributes stop i will also stop buying the music, until then they have me hook line and sinker.

The music is indeed the priority for me too. There is no way i would spend my money on music i do not like or enjoy or relate to no matter what i think of the person or people who make it. I happen to love and enjoy their music, the music lifts my mood, makes me smile or makes me remember something and that are my reasons for liking Take That. When this attributes stop i will also stop buying the music, until then they have me hook line and sinker.

 

I think on the whole though - that Take That are still only selling to the people they sold to before. Total UK sales figures between BW, TC and Progress aren't that far apart. TC and Progress had massively front-loaded sales and then sort of stagnated. BW (as far as I'm concerned - still their best album) did have legs beyond its initial launch sales - proving so by returning to number one for two weeks about four months after it was released.

 

I think apart from maybe 10K here and there, that the same people are buying the albums. I didn't buy Progress because I still feel on the whole it is quite a terrible album (although I found myself singing along to Happy Now in H&M a week ago). I MAY buy the next album if it is a bit better but it'll have to be a vast improvement on Progress.

:lol: Iris

 

I agree Kath, BW is their best but Progress wasn't as bad as people said. It was something new, and highlights why they won't end up like a westlife bringing out the same albums every year.

 

I'm looking forward to the new TT album, not bothered about Mark's material tbh but I do like Take The Crown

In the mirror today gary confirmed that mark is releasing his solo stuff next year. Hope it does well for him. Just hope that if it doesn't then he won't lose confidence or motivation for the TT project

I would be hoping in the next 2-3 months we will be hearing of further news in relation to both new albums. I feel Mark's solo album will be the first of the two to get a release.

I reckon we wont hear about Marks album until after the new TT album has been written. So maybe a mark release in June/July. We won't hear any TT news till probably September earliest

I would think Mark would have all the songs wrote for his album already as the time away from take that would have given him more time.

Yeah exactly so he's just got to pick a release schedule if he's releasing on his own label which gives him a lot more freedom. TT start writing again this month and onwards according to previous stories and tweets so I'd imagine that once the basis of the album is written Gary will work with the producer as he always does, leaving Mark a window to release his album without interfering in the TT plans as it'll all be pretty much done. I'm sure mark isn't silly enough not to put 100% into this TT record as we have all agreed before he isn't a solo artist like Gary or Robbie, and all of them (even Robbie I think now) realise that TT is a much bigger entity nowadays than any of them

Difficult to find anything substantial about Owen's new record. Ben Mark and Jamie Norton aren't too keen to share some light about it unfortunately. <_<

 

Only interesting stuff I've found on Michael Brauer's twitter page. However these are his general feelings about Mark's new material, he doesn't speak about musical direction, instruments ect.

 

Article on Wikipedia about Brauer begins like this:

 

Michael Brauer is a New York-based mix engineer whose credits encompass a wide range of genres, and include The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Coldplay, John Mayer, Ash, My Morning Jacket, Ben Folds, Dream Theater, The New Radicals, Change, Fountains of Wayne, David Poe, Wilco, Alpha Rev and Ron Sexsmith.

and here are his twitts about Mark Owen's material.:

michael brauer ‏@mhb850

 

Yesterday I mixed a song that sure feels like a monster hit for Owen,I guess time will tell.

michael brauer ‏@mhb850

 

this Owen record is going to make his fans super happy,trust me.

michael brauer ‏@mhb850

 

Somebody is gonna wanna jump on the dance floor with this owen song. One more to mix and then it's off to mastering. #owenkicksass

michael brauer ‏@mhb850

 

Owen mixes finished,damn good record!ben,charlie,jaime,brad & little 'ol me-what a great team for mark !

 

Hmm, looks promising. :-)

To be honest, I'm not happy with the rumours that Mark want to release an electro-pop record. I hope it will turn out not true. Huge involvement of the guitarist Ben Mark and keyboardist Jamie Norton give an assumption that the record should have a respectable dose of real instruments, I really hope so. I would love the next Mark solo album be a natural progression from "How The Mighty Fall".

Well at the least we know it is coming together, an electro-pop record is exactly what i would love to see delivered by Mark right now as i believe it is a style that would really suit him.

Well I think that Mark should just go ahead with whatever he thinks feels right. Thanks to the success of TT he has a blanket of security financially and now is the time for him to branch out and do his own thing - he DOES have a fairly faithful (if not massive) solo following so now is the time to satisfy his faithful. He's safe in the knowledge that he can top up his bank balance with the next Take That album and tour - so why not a solo album? I mean - Gary's doing his own thing - why shouldn't Mark?

Edited February 6, 201312 yr by Kath

I agree, financially he is fine so that gives him lee way to just do what he wants with this abum, the success of it wont be something he depends on due to the financial security of Tke That.

Well at the least we know it is coming together, an electro-pop record is exactly what i would love to see delivered by Mark right now as i believe it is a style that would really suit him.

 

twitter messages from Michael Brauer are from November last year, so I'm sure Mark's record is finished till now.

 

When it'll be released? Nobody know, but Brauer also twitts to Mark Owen's fan about this issue. From 17th November:

michael brauer ‏@mhb850

 

@M_Owen_TT weeeeellll in my experience a record usually comes out within 4-5 months after i've mixed it, so that it an educated guess.

 

The electro-pop style may suit him, you're right (but unfortunately it doesn't particularly suits my musical taste ;-)). After hearing him on Progress/Progressed it's quite easy to imagine his new sound. But what's the point to release almost identical sounding record as TT? Mark surely has developed his own style during the solo years and I would like to actually hear the difference from TT production which is too polished and simply overproduced for my taste, I like more edgy and raw sound.

I don't think it will sound like a TT record at all, Mark will have taken steps to ensure that his style is original to him. Seems like he's got a couple of good songs on the album going by those tweets, just wonder how much of those tweets are just spin and promo to generate interest. I still think that TT will want to get the new album written before they or mark are happy for him to go off and promote his solo album. Wonder how long he'll promote this album for as well, will it be just one single and album the week after or maybe 2 singles first etc...either way he's restricted by time here. He should of just stepped it up and released it last year rather than running into schedule conflicts.

Last year would have been an ideal time to release but it didnt happen and we cant change that. Many of the songs on progress and especially progressed were the type of song i believe wouldnt look out of place on a solo Mark Owen album. As i said previously i think electra pop sound would suit him and it would suit me too. I would like to think Mark will give this album a good push, do at least 2 singles, line up some decent promotion and hopefully a successful album would be the result. I know Mark may not be doing it just for success but it would be nice, there is no denying that.

Album will be released by his label Sedna, but Mark also sign up a contract with Mercury Records, probably to support the release financially. So there is a hope for some decent promotion and maybe a single or even two. B-)

I'm still no sure how great it will do though, you only have to look at the likes of tulisa and Kimberley Walsh to know that a top 10 album, even with a hit single doesn't guarantee anything. That's why I'd think TT would want to write the album before his release in case it flops and his confidence is hit as a result