I never liked Sunshine either, I wish him well on his return, he's got as much chance as anyone else has if the songs are good enough.

I never liked Sunshine either, I wish him well on his return, he's got as much chance as anyone else has if the songs are good enough.

 

That's what its all about for any artist isn't it. If you're lucky enough to find the right song, it will make all the difference.

 

And if Gareth comes up with one he's written himself it will be even better.

 

I loved Sunshine :wub:

 

If an artist has a diverse output, then even the most ardent fans won't like everything they've done, and Kylie is the classic example of that too.

 

With respect to Gareth's sales, I think it's worth remembering that even if Gareth's album underperformed in the UK, it still got to number one and achieved multi-platinum status in some countries, including Taiwan, which gives context to this recent posts by a Taiwanese fan on Gareth's official website on the subject.

 

I have no idea why BMG didn't want to work with Gareth, and the sale volume of both album and reputations are all very good in Asia country. I was told by Taiwan's BMG staff that Taiwan BMG hadn't given up the chance to get the ablum dealership from main BMG company. Of course, his request has been refused. he told me that they will do their best to figure it out.

Perhaps if we had any idea how many sales equal platinum in Asian countries, we might get a clearer picture as to how many in total Gareths last album sold.

 

I can't see it possibly being anywhere near the required British 300k otherwise SBMG would be biting Gareths hand off to get the next album release I bet.

I can't see it possibly being anywhere near the required British 300k otherwise SBMG would be biting Gareths hand off to get the next album release I bet.

 

Once again I say to you Marguerite, we don't really know that they haven't been, do we. I still believe there's a strong possibility it could have been Gareth's choice not to sign up for more of the same with SBMG just to plough through the same old rigmarole of not being able to release what he wants to release :D

 

Has it not occurred to you, this may have something to do with the long period of waiting.

 

You appear to be so knowledgeable about the music industry in your posts, I'm really surprised you can't see this as a possibility.

 

Once again I say to you Marguerite, we don't really know that they haven't been, do we. I still believe there's a strong possibility it could have been Gareth's choice not to sign up for more of the same with SBMG just to plough through the same old rigmarole of not being able to release what he wants to release :D

 

Has it not occurred to you, this may have something to do with the long period of waiting.

 

You appear to be so knowledgeable about the music industry in your posts, I'm really surprised you can't see this as a possibility.

 

Unfortunately it's very difficult to find out the sales in Asia. If the sales are as good as you believe Val & it's Gareth who has decded not to resign with SBMG then there will be a host of labels lining up to distribute his new album.

 

We'll just have to wait & see.

 

Seems the new album is ready & I really hope that he returns for his patient fans but his return has been muted many times before & nothing has materialised.

Edited August 20, 200618 yr by truly talented

Once again I say to you Marguerite, we don't really know that they haven't been, do we. I still believe there's a strong possibility it could have been Gareth's choice not to sign up for more of the same with SBMG just to plough through the same old rigmarole of not being able to release what he wants to release :D

 

Has it not occurred to you, this may have something to do with the long period of waiting.

 

You appear to be so knowledgeable about the music industry in your posts, I'm really surprised you can't see this as a possibility.

 

I tell you what Val, when I see half a dozen or so labels beating a path to Gareths door, contracts in hand, I'll take it all back OK? ;)

 

I've no more idea than you have about Gareths future, 19 management appear to have a deal that works with SBMG (It no longer includes Cowells SYCO records) so why that same deal wouldn't work for Gareth is a mystery.

 

Gareths album is a done deal, (working with 19, their producers their writers, it's been made without the input of SBMG obviously) all Gareth needed is a label who would produce , manufacture and distribute the c.ds (at a profit ) that SBMG have not taken up their option again really has nothing to do with whatever the content of the album is surely, other than their belief that they don't see a profit in it for them or their shareholders.

 

When the likes of some of the biggest music artists in the World have to comply to their labels wishes in order to get their music out there, then no, I'm not willing to believe that someone who's had an underperforming second album, would have the clout to dismiss one of the biggest labels in the World and expect offeres to pour in from all sides.

 

And this is not a personal attack on Gareth, far from it. The music industry is cut throat. Lee Ryan and Duncan James are going to be in Gareths position, their albums haven't performed well, would you honestly believe that either of them would tell SBMG to stkick their contracts 'cos offers would be pouring in?

Seems the new album is ready & I really hope that he returns for his patient fans but his return has been muted many times before & nothing has materialised.

 

It is ready. However, as you say, there have been so many false press reports in the past - coming back Busted style, coming back with a classical album, coming back as part of Boyzone etc etc etc :P - that I am waiting for something official before I get too excited.

 

then there will be a host of labels lining up to distribute his new album.

 

We know that BMG Taiwan has already expressed an interest to distribute Gareth's new album there.

 

No-one is claiming that platinum or gold sales are the same in each country, but the point of them varying from country to country is that these are the values that equate to a level of popularity and profit making for those countries. But as it's been asked, and it's one of the countries where we have rough figures - Gareth sold over 200k in Taiwan. It might seem small-fry compared to what can be sold in the UK, but on his last visit, he was told he was the most successful Western artist they'd ever had. It was in a local equivalent of the Financial Times that BMG Taiwan turned their fortunes around from being in the red, to having their most profitable year eve - and they attributed that to Gareth's album. BMG UK probably only saw a fraction of that money, because it's 19 who hold the licence to the music.

 

Do you think on American, Japanese and German music sites there are people bitching about artists who are successful in the UK, constantly implying it's all a joke because sales are so much lower? The UK is only the fourth biggest music market in the world. Other big markets are Spain and France, with the whole SE Asian region growing significantly.

 

The sense of achievement in these other countries isn't just about sales figures or making profits. As Gareth came from Pop Idol and many of his UK detractors have insisted he only made it in the UK because of all the hype of the show, then having significant commercial and critical success in countries that didn't watch Pop Idol, is incredibly satisfying. I know how excited Will's fans were when Light My Fire was a hit for him in Italy, even though sales there aren't paticularly high.

 

Marquerite, based on your posts I can only assume that you consider commercial success the most important thing in a musical career, but Gareth has been involved in music, working hard learning instruments and singing since he was a child. He didn't do that for commercial gain, so just because it's alien to you, doesn't mean Gareth might not have prized releasing music he loves above doing what he's told by a major label.

We know that BMG Taiwan has already expressed an interest to distribute Gareth's new album there.

 

No-one is claiming that platinum or gold sales are the same in each country, but the point of them varying from country to country is that these are the values that equate to a level of popularity and profit making for those countries. But as it's been asked, and it's one of the countries where we have rough figures - Gareth sold over 200k in Taiwan. It might seem small-fry compared to what can be sold in the UK, but on his last visit, he was told he was the most successful Western artist they'd ever had. It was in a local equivalent of the Financial Times that BMG Taiwan turned their fortunes around from being in the red, to having their most profitable year eve - and they attributed that to Gareth's album. BMG UK probably only saw a fraction of that money, because it's 19 who hold the licence to the music.

 

Do you think on American, Japanese and German music sites there are people bitching about artists who are successful in the UK, constantly implying it's all a joke because sales are so much lower? The UK is only the fourth biggest music market in the world. Other big markets are Spain and France, with the whole SE Asian region growing significantly.

 

The sense of achievement in these other countries isn't just about sales figures or making profits. As Gareth came from Pop Idol and many of his UK detractors have insisted he only made it in the UK because of all the hype of the show, then having significant commercial and critical success in countries that didn't watch Pop Idol, is incredibly satisfying. I know how excited Will's fans were when Light My Fire was a hit for him in Italy, even though sales there aren't paticularly high.

 

Marquerite, based on your posts I can only assume that you consider commercial success the most important thing in a musical career, but Gareth has been involved in music, working hard learning instruments and singing since he was a child. He didn't do that for commercial gain, so just because it's alien to you, doesn't mean Gareth might not have prized releasing music he loves above doing what he's told by a major label.

 

Seems your determined to have this debate viewed as an arguement.

 

I'm sure Gareth does realise now that he needs to put out good music as the days are long gone when his image & young fan base meant he knew he could put out virtually anything & be successful. The climate has now changed & pop isn't the order of the day & & many solo artists are finding it hard to keep their heads above the parapet. It's a brave label who invests in someone wanting to make a come back.

Edited August 20, 200618 yr by truly talented

It's not what I think about commercial success, it's what the label thinks about it.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that the likes of SBMG see an up and coming young singer and think 'Bless, he's cute, not a bad voice, nice bloke, let's give him a contract and let him have his dream'? Of course they don't, they look at the guy and think 'How much money can we make out of him'.

 

We're not discussing a charitable and altruistic entity, we're discussing a multi national, multi million pound industry with share holders to answer to and worse still, an industry where there's a never ending supply of young kids, willing to sell their grandmothers, just to get a contract from them.

It's not what I think about commercial success, it's what the label thinks about it.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that the likes of SBMG see an up and coming young singer and think 'Bless, he's cute, not a bad voice, nice bloke, let's give him a contract and let him have his dream'? Of course they don't, they look at the guy and think 'How much money can we make out of him'.

 

We're not discussing a charitable and altruistic entity, we're discussing a multi national, multi million pound industry with share holders to answer to and worse still, an industry where there's a never ending supply of young kids, willing to sell their grandmothers, just to get a contract from them.

Indeed. So who knows what they may have offered? There may have been no offer, there may have been an offer that was packed full of conditions that he wasn't prepared to take, it may have been a rubbish offer financially or there may have been a better offer from elsewhere or from 19 itself. If the latter, we know that the former BMG are notoriously slow at actually 'doing the paperwork' and releasing people even when they dont intend to give them a contract.

 

Who knows. I'm not too sure that I care. All I want is for some new music that Gareth is happy with and wants to put out.

I am just so glad that the album seem to be finished and that we wont have too much longer to wait now to hear Gareth new music.

I also dont care who he releases with as long as he does.

Regarding the posts above, noone can take away that Gareth was very successful abroad, and that lots of people in all sorts of countries love him. :D

And I for one cant wait to hear his new songs. I think its exciting because we do not know what the songs will be like. :dance:

We're not discussing a charitable and altruistic entity, we're discussing a multi national, multi million pound industry

 

No Marguerite, we're not discussing a multi national, multi million pound industry, we're trying to discuss Gareth Gates, what he wants from his career and how he's going about trying to get it.

 

Money is not the be-all and end-all to everyone, though it obvious is to some.

Seems your determined to have this debate viewed as an arguement.

 

No, I'm bored to tears that the same old names crop up with the same old petty arguements debates, but that doesn't mean I am willing to let it all go un-answered. I think it's wonderful that there are some members in here who are so concerned with protecting SBMGs profit margins, especially as those same people were so outraged at the supposedly terrible way they treated Will, but it's fantastsic that you are no longer bitter - at least not towards them. ;)

 

However, can I suggest that those with such a great interest and insight into industry accountancy take their superior knowledge to The Music: Culture forum here on BuzzJack as it is the area dedicated to "industry type discussions". Allow the rest of us to discuss the less high-brow, but more fun things like the artist themselves and their music. :D

 

Thanks.

I think the article isn't too bad, At least there's nothing nasty in it and Joe Mott knows Gareth is coming back. I can't wait to hear his new material he's been working on, I'm sure it will be FANTASTIC as always and especially knowing how hard he has worked on it. :)

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and his tour not selling as well

 

That's strange most dates are virtually sold out apart from the added Wembley date & he's hardly been out of the top 10 best sellers on Get Live. If that's considered not selling well a lot of other artists must be really worried.

 

Anywhere this topic is supposed to be about Gareth but as Nosey says we can't let things go unanswered.

 

 

Gareth wont come back he is a total flop, and if he does get another contract he will flop badly.. though I hate to say it Will :puke2: is the only succesful singer and even he is going down the pan now with the $h!t Keep On and his tour not selling as well

 

 

Flamebait Arctic-Owl - tut tut. :nono:

Edited August 20, 200618 yr by munchkin

How GG fans stay so loyal to a guy that has strung them along for 3years with hardly a word - except the odd 'I'm fine and I'm working on a new album' type comment, I'll never understand. Still, big up to them for sticking it out I suppose.

 

Personally I think Gareth's had his day, he is an 'ex' pop star, and the sooner the final chapter (next release - if there ever is one) is over and done with the better for all concerned.

Edited August 20, 200618 yr by fatmuffin

Flamebait Arctic-Owl - tut tut. :nono:

Sorted. :D

 

I love the huge discussion that comes when Gareth Gates is mentioned.

 

Great thread guys, just please try not to turn it into an arguement.... ;)