August 23, 200618 yr It does spoil the place when threads get hijacked, but this isn't the first time and it won't be the last and I don't think the answer is for mods to lock them. I know it gets really boring and tedious, and if we wanted to read about Will we're all more than capable of reading one of their many other threads about him, but that doesn't mean we should just give up on otherwise interesting threads. Baytree, you are right. As a fan I've always been very impressed with Gareth's attitude to tackling his stammer and helping others, but he's taken it way beyond what we all expected. It's clear from what he writes and what's written about him that it was very important to him to be able to do this. It's obviously a very time-consuming thing for him, which means we have to keep waiting that bit longer, but if you are a fan of someone, you have to respect that they have goals and aspirations that may extend beyond the day job. Besides, when your day job is music, it's a good thing to expand your horizons and when you are working in the fickle and often shallow world of showbusiness, it's very grounding to continue to work with people from all walks of life. We know that Gareth spent a fair amount of time working with Ricky Ross, formely of Deacon Blue, who also formerly worked with Graham Kearns, formerly of Wet, Wet, Wet. Graham also attends the McGuire programme and so Gareth and Graham know each other quite well. I can't help but wonder if that had any bearing on that collaboration?
August 23, 200618 yr Why? This is an interesting thread Who cares if fans of other artists post as long as its not too inflammatory (or dull and repetitive LOL) and stays on topic. But all of that is for a mod to decide, not us. Goodness, if we run away from discussions all the time we are in trouble. Exactly. As a Will fan who has posted in this thread in no way was it my intention to have the thread closed down. It is an interesting thread but I resent being told by someone who isn't even a Gareth fan what I can and cannot post as you say that's the job of a mod. If Gareth fans don't want Will discussed in this thread then they should leave him out of the discussion. Hope the thread remains open.
August 23, 200618 yr Please can a MOD close this post please? i think these boards are great but i dont think i be coming on here again :( If you ever send me one more threatening PM I'll report you and ask to have you removed from the site, IS THAT CLEAR?
August 23, 200618 yr Can I ask why my post was deleted , yet though it was quoted those were not deleted... surley it is polite to tell some one their post has been deleted
August 23, 200618 yr it is unfair to let "bullying" make people want threads closed, I feel that is the aim, as we have had it when Darius had threads in th epop forum. Surely Gareth Gates has every right to be discussed if there are people wanting to discuss him. I am so fed up with the :rolleyes: and ;) and the your mate mentioned our idols name - don't do it again or we'll continue stuff, it's rather like a gang from school days isn't it. I am not a fan of Garet's but I can see from a lot of posts in this thread that there are a lot of people very interested in what he has been doing and what he will come back with, why should the thread be closed because it has by some naysayers. plus surely any pms that members get which they arent happy about should be reported - rather than responded to with threats in posts. If you ever send me one more threatening PM I'll report you and ask to have you removed from the site, IS THAT CLEAR? Edited August 23, 200618 yr by prettyinpink
August 23, 200618 yr Whatever the view of each individual that's taken part in this thread, they've been posted honestly and openly on a public forum. To log on this morning and find myself in possession of a rather nasty PM warning me off this thread, was taking things more than a step too far in my opinion. In hindsight, I should have informed admin, but I was dammed annoyed. So, if we want to talk about bullying, it's the things posted behind the scenes that you should concern yourself with, anything that's posted up front for all to see, can be judged by whoever wishes to read it. No body wants this thread closed, although I doubt there's much more to add. It was a discussion and as such, there would be differing views of what happened in the past (none of us are able to tell the future are we?) There's not one side of the debate that's wholly right or wholly wrong, it's just individuals opinions. I doubt any impartial observer to the thread (and there probably are very few) would pick a good or a bad side and crying foul to get the topic shut down was really rather sad. As I said, there's really little else to add now and without debate, the thread will die a natural death.
August 23, 200618 yr it is unfair to let "bullying" make people want threads closed, I feel that is the aim, as we have had it when Darius had threads in th epop forum. Surely Gareth Gates has every right to be discussed if there are people wanting to discuss him. I am so fed up with the :rolleyes: and ;) and the your mate mentioned our idols name - don't do it again or we'll continue stuff, it's rather like a gang from school days isn't it. I am not a fan of Garet's but I can see from a lot of posts in this thread that there are a lot of people very interested in what he has been doing and what he will come back with, why should the thread be closed because it has by some naysayers. plus surely any pms that members get which they arent happy about should be reported - rather than responded to with threats in posts. And I am fed up to the back teeth of your mate's sanctimonious posts, little digs & telling people what they can & can't post. Up until she popped up we were discussing Gareth Gates return not other members right to post. These are discussion boards. GG's fans think a documentary on his overcoming his stammer will be good promotion for his comeback I don't & I honestly think the wider public won't either. Sorry if you don't agree but it is my opinion. Edited August 23, 200618 yr by truly talented
August 23, 200618 yr No fan photos, but there's the following photo that was posted on someone's blog that attended. You need to scroll down a bit now to get his own report on it all. I think that's the person Gareth co-led the course with last year. http://www.michaelhay.com/muchohabla/images/gareth_galway.jpg
August 23, 200618 yr GG's fans think a documentary on his overcoming his stammer will be good promotion for his comeback I don't & I honestly think the wider public won't either. Sorry if you don't agree but it is my opinion. So does that mean then that you don't believe all the appearances on Chat shows such as, Parkinson, Jonathan Ross, Paul O'Grady and GMTV, amongst several others, not to mention numerous Radio tours, are not good for promotion. Because really and truly that is just a different way of getting yourself and your material seen and heard by the general public, isn't it. Not a lot different to a Documentary really, just spread out into different appearances. We know in the past, Gareth didn't do many interviews which gave him the chance to shine, and we all know why. I'm sure once he's back and in full promotional swing again, that will not be a problem for him, but in the mean-time, he needs to have a way to let the people who books artists for these shows, and the general public too, see that he is now able to have a full and meaningful conversation on their shows. At the moment obviously, as he's been away for so long, no-one knows how much interest there will be from those who compile the programs, although going by the amount of times Gareth had to turn them down previously, because he wasn't able to do them, I wouldn't think there would be any lack of takers. Gareth himself has said in the past, how he was frequently approached by DJ's and such-like to appear on their shows, but circumstances prevented him from accepting. Can you not concede that someone who has come through such adversity, might just need to place a cautious foot on the ladder again, before being able to leap up the other rungs. And to answer your question Baytree, yes indeed one of Gareth's fans who waited very patiently until he'd finished his duties on the first day of his course (after a 13 hour nightmare journey, I may add) had a lovely picture taken with him. The picture was taken by someone who had difficulty working the camera and Gareth directed them as to what to do, so that in Gareth's words `the picture will take for her'. If you're able to log into one of Gareth's sites, either GPG or ggates, you will see it posted up on them :wub: along with a nice report from the young lady in question. Edit: Sorry took me so long to type this due to interruptions, someone got in before me :dance: Edited August 23, 200618 yr by val4jadan
August 23, 200618 yr So does that mean then that you don't believe all the appearances on Chat shows such as, Parkinson, Jonathan Ross, Paul O'Grady and GMTV, amongst several others, not to mention numerous Radio tours, are not good for promotion. Because really and truly that is just a different way of getting yourself and your material seen and heard by the general public, isn't it. Not a lot different to a Documentary really, just spread out into different appearances. Off course they are good promotion Val if they focus on the music. To me if emphasis is placed on his work to overcome his stammer in the form of an hour long documentary you may find that every interview that follows will be dominated by this & the music will be very much pushed into the background. I'm not having a go at Gareth I really think it could happen. It's just my opinion. You obviously see things differently. No one is right or wrong.
August 23, 200618 yr Right guys I have decided to re-open this upon even more requests than I had complaints. :lol: But i'm being serious, anyone that tries to cause an arguement in here by any means or starts slagging people off WILL be met with an increase in their warn level. You are all entitled to your opinion, but there's constructive and then there's downright slander. So as I say anyone that wants to break the above rules will be met with an increase in warn level. Even if i'm not here to do it I know Aly or Pipa will act in my absence. Cheers, now let's get discussing!
August 23, 200618 yr The music should speak for itself. It's the blatant attempt at trading on his disability in the past that has put me off. You can't deny that the initial Trevor MacDonald interviews were always conveniently repeated when Gareth had a single or album to promote. If he really wants to highlight the plight of fellow stammerers then let him put that documentary out NOW, when he's got nothing to promote, rather than waiting until his album comes out.
August 23, 200618 yr And to answer your question Baytree, yes indeed one of Gareth's fans who waited very patiently until he'd finished his duties on the first day of his course (after a 13 hour nightmare journey, I may add) had a lovely picture taken with him. The picture was taken by someone who had difficulty working the camera and Gareth directed them as to what to do, so that in Gareth's words `the picture will take for her'. If you're able to log into one of Gareth's sites, either GPG or ggates, you will see it posted up on them :wub: along with a nice report from the young lady in question. Thanks. I found it on GPG. That was a marathon wait but worth it in the long run. It's a lovely pic. White sure does set off Gareth's Spanish tan.
August 23, 200618 yr The music should speak for itself. It's the blatant attempt at trading on his disability in the past that has put me off. You can't deny that the initial Trevor MacDonald interviews were always conveniently repeated when Gareth had a single or album to promote. If he really wants to highlight the plight of fellow stammerers then let him put that documentary out NOW, when he's got nothing to promote, rather than waiting until his album comes out. I don't think I ever saw the Trevor MacDonald interviews repeated. Perhaps I missed them. Can't imagine how I managed to do that though. The way Gareth is helping fellow stammerers, is by spending a terrific amount of his time helping them on their courses, mostly, in fact almost totally, well away from the public eye, so he can hardly be accused of using that for his own ends can he. As for the Documentary. I think everyone is jumping the gun a little here. The rumours about a Documentary are just that, Rumours. They have not been confirmed by Gareth or by 19 as far as I know. So at the moment it is all speculation. There may have been one made, there may be one in the process of being made, but until we are told something officially, we won't know when, or if, it will be put out will we.
August 23, 200618 yr Personally I don't think you can blame the constant mentioning of Gareth's stammer on Gareth himself. It's like a lot of things, Pop Idol will always be mentioned in Gareth interviews, as well as those of Will and Darius. When artists leave a group to go solo they will ALWAYS be asked about their time in the group, no matter how long they've been solo for. So it's the same for Gareth it's not his fault that people always bring up his stammer, i'm sure it's something Gareth doesn't appreciate in every interview he does, but as an artist it's part of his job to answer any question put to him.
August 23, 200618 yr So it's the same for Gareth it's not his fault that people always bring up his stammer, i'm sure it's something Gareth doesn't appreciate in every interview he does, but as an artist it's part of his job to answer any question put to him. He can say no to any question he doesn't want asked..any artist can.
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