Doesn't sound provocative to me.

 

Any artist's fans would be pleased to see him hitting number 1 on the strength of his music in a region where he has not been previously known and that would be a double pleasure if that artist's talent had previously been questioned by a large number of people who expressed the opinion that he got where he was purely because his was a good sob story, Already there are some who are badmouthing Johnathon from the new X Factor series and saying he will win because of his story. The fact that he's a good singer is getting swamped.

 

Haven't bothered to watch X Factor but have read the Jonathon stories. I've no doubt that he will receive a lot of coverage because he fits the mould & has a marketable story. It happens in all these shows, hoping the public will be carried along with the competitors they have already earmarked as possible winners. In X Factor the judges have even more sway to influence who goes far in the competition because they can save their favourite acts.

 

No wonder they had such trouble finding Will footage when he did win through as he certainly wasn't what they were looking for. ;)

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by truly talented

Such a quality topic, keep it up guys, very interesting read also!

It was a bit hard to judge Jonathans vocal abilities on the strength of the couple of lines that he sang, but

certainly, the XFactor was very apparent. He doesn't need any sob story, so Simon, button it, and let Jonathan do it on his own, he might just prove to have what's been sadly lacking from these shows since the first PI.

 

Anyway, I digress, so back to the topic in hand.

I hope there is some truth in what Joe Mott is saying. I would love to see Gareth back again. :)

 

I preferred his ballads. His voice seemed best suited to them.

 

To come back and have success he will need a stand out single and a good album - I do worry about where he will fit in with the music scene as it is today. He never did it for me with Sunshine and the other songs like that - is there a market for ballads in the mainstream these days?

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by Bluebell

Ballads do sell, just look at Westlife, but they have a good fanbase to buy them, as for other artists, it all depends if it grabs the public or not, by the way, welcome to buzzjack Bluebell.

No wonder they had such trouble finding Will footage when he did win through as he certainly wasn't what they were looking for

 

I have always wondered why i have never seen any early footage, I am a bit slow :huh: now it all makes sense ^_^

I hope there is some truth in what Joe Mott is saying. I would love to see Gareth back again. :)

 

I preferred his ballads. His voice seemed best suited to them.

 

Welcome to Buzzjack, Bluebell. There are very many people wanting to see Gareth back again :D Frantically waiting I might add

 

I personally agree with you. Although I loved Sunshine and the other up-beat songs on the second album, I too preferred the ballads. Gareth's voice does suit them. His voice is as smooth as velvet and listening to him sing a ballad just has me mesmerized. I'm certain this new album is going to be very different to what he's done before, and its what he wants, but I do hope he puts one or two beautiful ballads on there as well :wub:

 

Urgh, I don't think he'll be anywhere near as succesful this time around but as long as his record company realise that he'll probably do alright...

Tut Tut. I thought you didn't post to provoke arguements. :lol:

 

I don't dispute GG was successful in a lot of Asian countries (relative to their markets anyway) but it must be remembered this was quite a few years ago. I just hope for his sake that his fanbase isn't as fickle as they are in the uk. It can't be denied that his star had well & truly waned before he took his break.

 

It's a tall order for any artist to stick around, but Gareth since coming to fame has now spent a lot more time out of the spotlight than in it, without being firmly established. Having said that it's often said that your only as good as your last record so maybe if he can comeback with that really knockout single his career may flourish.

Hi you only have to look on our boards to see Gareth has a lot of fans from Asian countries who have joined Gareth's offical boards :cheer: we just had someone from Vietnam,Hong Kong who love to see Gareth again :D

that would be a double pleasure if that artist's talent had previously been questioned by a large number of people who expressed the opinion that he got where he was purely because his was a good sob story, Already there are some who are badmouthing Johnathon from the new X Factor series and saying he will win because of his story. The fact that he's a good singer is getting swamped.

 

Far from being an advantage the way its portrayed by some people, I think these stories are a noose around their necks :(

 

That's confirmed I think, by the success Gareth had abroad, where it wasn't made such an issue of. Unfortunately in this country, there is very little tolerance shown to someone in these situations.

 

Urgh, I don't think he'll be anywhere near as succesful this time around but as long as his record company realise that he'll probably do alright...

 

Can't speak for the record company, but personally I wouldn't be that bothered if he didn't have the level of success he had last time. I don't think that bodes well for happiness, which along with enjoying what he's doing, is what I would prefer for Gareth, rather than constantly having to be top of the tree.

 

we just had someone from Vietnam,Hong Kong who love to see Gareth again

 

Yes and that was only this last weekend

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by val4jadan

Far from being an advantage the way its portrayed by some people, I think these stories are a noose around their necks

 

That's confirmed I think, by the success Gareth had abroad, where it wasn't made such an issue of. Unfortunately in this country, there is very little tolerance shown to someone in these situations.

 

If this is the case Val then we can all cross our fingers that we don't get the recovering stammerer documentary & Gareth's return is all about the music.

Bluebell asked quite a sensible question "Is there a market for ballads" and yes, considering the biggest seller of the last year was James Blunts Your Beautiful, there's still a massive market out there for ballads it would seem. I think the problem is, there's not been a big market for male solo artists, James was very much the exception, although both Robbie & Will have managed to hang on in there, a lot of others, and big names too like Daniel Bedingfield, have seen poor album sales.

 

It looks to be changing again with the emergence of James Morrison & Paulo Nutini, both in the style of James Blunt I would say, so as Lily Allen and Sandi Thom are to the female market, I would think the male artists have to be at the very least, walking in the same footprints as James Morrison.

I would love a documentary about how Gareth worked hard to overcome his stammer, why not? And why should it not be used as promotion either?

The same as Will used the film to promote his album, it was not all about the music either at his promotion.

Everyone uses what fits, be silly not too.

If this is the case Val then we can all cross our fingers that we don't get the recovering stammerer documentary & Gareth's return is all about the music.

 

That's just the sort of reply I was expecting from you `truly talented?' ;) .

 

If it puts right all the wrong perceptions previously spouted by everyone, I would welcome it. All those wrong perceptions (not just the stammering) need to be put behind Gareth before he can move on and be free of them.

 

Then it will be the time to get on with the music which is what its always been about for Gareth, since the age of 8, if only the sceptical public and media had given him the chance to prove it.

 

Unfortunately for Gareth, he was too successful in the first year and we all know how that leads to the `knockdown factor' :D

 

I would love a documentary about how Gareth worked hard to overcome his stammer, why not? And why should it not be used as promotion either?

The same as Will used the film to promote his album, it was not all about the music either at his promotion.

Everyone uses what fits, be silly not too.

 

That's a little bit different Hasso as well you know, you're a member of Wills site afterall, so it shouldn't need explaining. The film was Wills work as an artist, the same as his album was, it wasn't his doing that both were released at much the same time, so he was having to promote both. (the film promotion was written into Wills contract, just like the album promo is).

 

Anyway, it's up to the management whether they wish to make a documentary of Gareths speech problems for promo, and it's up to the viewers whether they watch it or not.

 

up to the viewers whether they watch it or not.

 

Exactly, we only have to watch what we want after all, but I am sure there will be quite a few people interested what Gareth has been up to this last 2 1/2 yrs. :D

 

I hope that Gareth will be successful enough to carry on doing what he loves, I do not expect the success as in the first year either.

I cant wait to hear his new music. :dance:

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by hasso

That's a little bit different Hasso as well you know, you're a member of Wills site afterall, so it shouldn't need explaining. The film was Wills work as an artist, the same as his album was, it wasn't his doing that both were released at much the same time, so he was having to promote both. (the film promotion was written into Wills contract, just like the album promo is).

 

Anyway, it's up to the management whether they wish to make a documentary of Gareths speech problems for promo, and it's up to the viewers whether they watch it or not.

 

 

I don't really see that point Marguerite. Yes Will may have needed to promote the Film, but he virtually talked exclusively about the film in every interview he did before Christmas, almost to the point of not mentioning the music at all.

 

And Gareth being perceived wrongly also reflects on his work as an artist. Surely its only right he be given the chance to right a few things in his promotion. After all like you say it wasn't Will's doing that both the film and the album were released at the same time, just as its not Gareth's fault that people were so small minded about the fact he had a stammer.

Edited August 22, 200618 yr by val4jadan

I don't really see that point Marguerite. Yes Will may have needed to promote the Film, but he virtually talked exclusively about the film in every interview he did before Christmas, almost to the point of not mentioning the music at all.

 

And Gareth being perceived wrongly also reflects on his work as an artist. Surely its only right he be given the chance to right a few things in his promotion. After all like you say it wasn't Will's doing that both the film and the album were released at the same time, just as its not Gareth's fault that people were so small minded about the fact he had a stammer.

 

 

 

 

 

Well then, it's certainly not the case that Will used the film to promote his music is it? Even you can't have it both ways ;)

 

I'm at a loss to understand what these public perceptions of Gareth are. What were people supposed to know about him other than the facts? He was a young lad with a terrible stammer who entered a talent show and showed the public that his stammer didn't affect his singing? No big deal, there's stacks of people who have the same speech impediment and have a struggle to overcome it.

He went on to come second in the contest, have a successful career for nearly 2 years, since when, he's left the public arena and we await to hear more.

Is the public perception any different from mine? I don't know what the lies or whatever are supposed to be about. I've purposely left out one part of the CV, but even that cannot be denied. What happened exactly that you and his other fans think he got such a bum deal from the public then?

That's just the sort of reply I was expecting from you `truly talented?' ;) .

 

If it puts right all the wrong perceptions previously spouted by everyone, I would welcome it. All those wrong perceptions (not just the stammering) need to be put behind Gareth before he can move on and be free of them.

 

Then it will be the time to get on with the music which is what its always been about for Gareth, since the age of 8, if only the sceptical public and media had given him the chance to prove it.

 

Unfortunately for Gareth, he was too successful in the first year and we all know how that leads to the `knockdown factor' :D

 

Sorry I don' get it. Gareth's stammer or how he overcame it has nothing to do with his music. We've had the documentaries about it & you yourself have said you believe focusing on his speech impediment has been a noose around his neck. Let his music do the talking. If it's good enough it will sell.

 

As for Will using the film to promote his album I think you will find his album promo was mostly overshadowed by his film promo. Having said that as he sings in the film surely both are related & both belong in the world of entertainment.

 

Well then, it's certainly not the case that Will used the film to promote his music is it? Even you can't have it both ways

I don't think I said anywhere that Will used the film to promote his music, quite the opposite if you read my post.

 

you yourself have said you believe focusing on his speech impediment has been a noose around his neck

I didn't say that, I said the fact he had one was a noose around his neck. The perception was that he didn't have a stammer and that it was `put on'. I'm sure its not hard to see that as this perception spread like wildfire it did damage to Gareth's career.

 

I've purposely left out one part of the CV, but even that cannot be denied.

No one would want it denied. What I hope we get to hear is why it was handled the way it was. And who instigated what was said to the public about it. I do understand that the contracts both Will and Gareth signed after PI quite clearly stated that they would be expected to lie if necessary and if told to do so. Just another reason I'm so glad Gareth is out of that contract and no doubt he is too.