Some “Muslim leaders†who demanded sharia for British Muslims rather than the existing legal system,is this what is needed in the UK. The call for special public holidays for Muslims was unnecessary, impracticable and divisive. Most employers already allow their staff to take such days out of their annual leave. And what about special holidays for Sikhs, Hindus, Jews? If we amended our laws to accommodate all such requests, then all the king’s horses and all the king’s men wouldn’t be able to put our workplaces and communities back together again.

When it comes to sharia, Muhammad ibn Adam, the respected Islamic scholar, says: “It is necessary by sharia to abide by the laws of the country one lives in, regardless of the nature of the law, as long as the law doesn’t demand something that is against Islam.†It is narrated in the Koran that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin.†(Sahih al-Bukhari, no 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi).

In Britain there are no laws that force Muslims to do something against sharia and Muslims enjoy the freedom to worship and follow their religion, as do all other faiths. Compare Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, a sharia regime where women are forbidden to drive; or Turkey, a secular country where women are forbidden to wear the hijab; or Tunisia, where civil servants are forbidden to wear a beard.

I believe that as a Muslim there is no better place to live than Britain. That doesn’t mean that all in the garden is rosy; often Islamophobia is palpable. But my message is: whether you are white, Asian, black, Muslim, Christian or Jew, if you don’t like where you’re living you have two choices: either you live elsewhere, or you engage in the political process, attempt to create change and ultimately respect the will of the majority.

When Lord Ahmed, the Muslim Labour peer, heard my comments — I said essentially that if Muslims wanted sharia they should go and live somewhere where they have it — he accused me of doing the BNP’s work. He is entitled to his opinion. However, a little honesty, like mine, in this whole debate might just restore trust in politicians and ease the population’s anxieties.

Since I made my remarks my office has been overwhelmed with support. I also know that some Muslims feel uncomfortable, not necessarily because they disagree but because they feel targeted. But what I want to say to my fellow British Muslims is that in this country we enjoy freedoms, rights and privileges of which Muslims elsewhere can only dream. We should appreciate that fact and have the confidence to fulfil the obligations and responsibilities as part of our contract with our country and as dictated by sharia law.

 

 

Can a Country be run with two sets of laws for its citizens.

 

So they want the right to stone women in this country and behead women and so on ? I think this country can manage without that

Edited August 20, 200618 yr by Ozzy Osbourne

So they want the right to stone women in this country and behead women and so on ? I think this country can manage without that

 

agreed

No No No.

 

"When in Rome ....."

I find it stupid that some of them want the whole country to abide by Sharia law - erm, you want us to obey a law fully respected by 1 in 30 of the population, take a step back into the middle ages by removing equality, bring back the death penalty, abolish alcohol...no ****ing chance! Like it or lump it, at least here Muslims are getting access to freedoms they'd never get in the Middle East.

no they shouldnt... we already live in a world where 'islamaphobia' is illegal, but muslims are free to dis christianity and other religions.

 

whoever wants to live here must do so on the understanding that they must accept the laws of their chosen foster country. if they dont like it.... eff off back!

no they shouldnt. britain is naturally a christian counrtry. if they dont like it psis off back to where they come from. ok, alot of muslims were born in this country but many still love to refer themselves as being ''..-ish'' and ''anything for there country'' when theyve never even been before.

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We have thousands upon thousands of laws, some of which are outdated and totally laughable but that's another matter.

 

We don't need a whole new system. Our laws should safeguard everyone and give everybody the same rights and responsibilities whether they are members of traditional religions, other sects, aetheists or agnostics. No religion should have astranglehold on the legal system.

no they shouldnt. britain is naturally a christian counrtry. if they dont like it psis off back to where they come from. ok, alot of muslims were born in this country but many still love to refer themselves as being ''..-ish'' and ''anything for there country'' when theyve never even been before.

 

My parents are Russian immigrants and I still refer to myself as Russian a lot, people are what their parents are nationality wise so should I "p*** off back to Russia" or am I ok because I have white skin ?

Just to play Devils Advocate for a moment....

 

...Considering the amount of lawlessness, criminality and the fact that it seems that on any given weekend the town and city centres seem to be hijacked by a bunch of binge-drinking fukkin' thugs who go around causing all sorts of havoc and generally just behaving like a load of low-life scum with no self-control or discipline whatsoever... Well, let's be honest, can you really blame some devout Muslims fearing for their kids' moral welfare and assuming that this country's laws are totally inadequate at dealing with the problems of youth crime, juvenile delinquency, thuggish behaviour, etc, etc, etc and perhaps wishing that some form of the Sharia could be imposed in the UK......? I'm not really sure I can blame them to be honest, because if we're being honest, these things concern us all, and our Govts and the courts just dont seem to have the answers to these problems.... So can we honestly blame some devout Muslims for perhaps seeking out a religious answer to the problems that afflict society....? We have to understand that many of these people are coming over here from countries where binge drinking, muggings, ABH, GBH, joyriding, happy-slapping and countless other things that happen as a matter of routine, just DO NOT EXIST because there is a strict code of order in those countries....

 

Anyway, like I said, just an idle thought.....

 

As for Sharia law itself, well, as has been pointed out to me by several Muslim friends of mine, it kind of depends on what sort of Govt exists as to how Sharia is interpreted. In places like Nigeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, the strictest, most repressive form of Sharia is imposed because the Govts want to control and oppress their population for their own ends. 'Spritituality' really plays very little part to be honest, it's all about control... Contrast that to more progressive Islamic countries such as Turkey, where it is the Devout Muslims who find themselves somewhat under the cosh.

 

And, by the way, it aint just countries which impose the Sharia that has Death Sentences - America being one particularly big example of how non-Islamic nations use 'cruel and unusual punishment'.... Just look at the US Penal system, the sheer inhumanity and horror of what happened in the Louisiana State Prison during Hurricane Katrina would shame even many proponents of the Sharia....

hmm... but scott, its our country, so whilst i agree that certain elements of our society are yobs, they are 'our' yobs.

 

i just dont agree with settling in another , richer, country in order to better yourself .... then turning round and dictating what the indiginous population can and cant do.... like what we did under good queen victoria when we were empire building. what we did was basically wrong.

 

this is how our society is, right or wrong, take it or leave it.

No way.

 

Why should we have to change our laws to suit people who choose to come into this country? The way I see it, if you choose to come into a country to live you have to abide by that country's rules. If these people want Sharia law, why did they leave their countries which have Sharia law in the first place? Don't come into a Western country and enjoy all the benefits and freedoms it can offer that may not be available in a comparitivley poor country with strict religious law, and then say it is "spiritually bankrupt". You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

As for British born Muslims, surely the same case appiles. They know this country has it's own rules, based on Christianity. The country is 'officially' Christian, but church and state are more or less seperate, which I think is a good thing. I'm sorry if this all sounds harsh, but if they want to live somewhere with Sharia law, they can always emigrate there permanently.

 

A similar issue in reverse is when Western people go on holiday in Middle Eastern countries and sometimes end up getting the death penalty or around 40 years in prison- and these are actually tough prisons- for something minor or something which isn't even a crime in their home country. (Drug taking, etc). While I don't agree with such strict punishments for such offences, if you go to one of those countries you have to make sure you keep within that country's laws. It's only common sense.

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hmm... but scott, its our country, so whilst i agree that certain elements of our society are yobs, they are 'our' yobs.

 

 

Well, they may be 'your' yobs mate, but I certainly want nowt to do with them, and frankly if it were up to me, I'd chuck these evil little fukkers out before I'd deport any Asylum Seekers or Migrant workers from Eastern Europe that's for damn sure...

 

No way.

 

Why should we have to change our laws to suit people who choose to come into this country? The way I see it, if you choose to come into a country to live you have to abide by that country's rules. If these people want Sharia law, why did they leave their countries which have Sharia law in the first place? Don't come into a Western country and enjoy all the benefits and freedoms it can offer that may not be available in a comparitivley poor country with strict religious law, and then say it is "spiritually bankrupt". You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

As for British born Muslims, surely the same case appiles. They know this country has it's own rules, based on Christianity. The country is 'officially' Christian, but church and state are more or less seperate, which I think is a good thing. I'm sorry if this all sounds harsh, but if they want to live somewhere with Sharia law, they can always emigrate there permanently.

 

A similar issue in reverse is when Western people go on holiday in Middle Eastern countries and sometimes end up getting the death penalty or around 40 years in prison- and these are actually tough prisons- for something minor or something which isn't even a crime in their home country. (Drug taking, etc). While I don't agree with such strict punishments for such offences, if you go to one of those countries you have to make sure you keep within that country's laws. It's only common sense.

 

It's all very well to say that, but how much respect do we really have for another culture when it's us that goes out to places like Greece, South East Asia, etc on holiday and just act like the same bunch of vermin we are when we're at home...?

 

I remember last year or the year before there was this Tabloid outrage at a British girl who was quite rightly arrested in Falaraki by the Greek police for parading around the streets half naked, drunk out her tiny little skull. The press made this silly little slapper out to be some kind of angel and that the Greek police were 'heavy handed', but she'd never have even thought about doing that sort of sh!t in this country, so why did she think it acceptable to do it in someone else's...? Like I say, it's symptomatic of a general lack of respect that a lot of these 'Club 18-30' types have for other people's cultures....

 

So, let's not make out like we're any better when it comes to respecting other people's ways, because we sure as hell aint.....

 

Back to the question though, what is your solution to the rising tide of lawlessness and crime then...? We are all supposed to respect the 'rule of law' in this country, but when you have a Govt that doesn't even do that (as Nu Labour and the previous Tory Govt proved time and time again), then you cant really expect the general population to really, can you...? Britain is a lawless, criminal and morally bankrupt country where even the supposed 'lawmakers' dont respect the rule of law (in fact, they're probably the worst culprits).... And it doesn't take a fundamentalist Muslim to see that....

Well, they may be 'your' yobs mate, but I certainly want nowt to do with them, and frankly if it were up to me, I'd chuck these evil little fukkers out before I'd deport any Asylum Seekers or Migrant workers from Eastern Europe that's for damn sure...

 

 

oh i share your distaste for them, and ive no doubt that there are far many, far better human beings that are foreigners who serve our country well, but that isnt really the issue is it .

Just by creating a new set of laws won't suddenly make people respetful of their elders and swear off drink. When England was a very Christian country there was still a hell of a lot of 'sin' going on, you just have to look at the image of paedophile priests to see that. Also, just because Sharia law controls most Muslim countries doesn't make them some utopian ideal, with no crime and 'respect' for everyone. Just look at the women in Iran and Afghanistan who are put to death for 'adultery' after being raped, with the way they treat women and minorities overall being appallingly bad.

The laws to stop the kind of behaviour that has been mentioned on this board already exist, but that doesn't stop people acting the way they do. Introducing a totally alien and medieval form of law wouldn't improve that situation. By stating that Sharia should be made law in this country, Muslim leaders are just scare mongering and attempting to increase Islamaphobia.

All this is a moot point anyway because there is no way in hell that Britain would ever become a Sahria law state anyway.