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Predict: Mark Owen

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Take That really does fund the likes of these albums, especially for Mark as he releases through his own label. Not sure how it works for Gary, if Gary was to release a new solo album i wonder would he sign with a company or release it himself. Either way we all know Take That is the strength of these guys, and its where their lifestyle is paid for and it is what puts a lot of bread on the table that is why i think the sooner a new Take That album comes the better.

 

The price of Mark's album on itunes is ridiculously high and very off putting for anyone who is tempted to buy the album, it is also quiet expensive to purchase on places like play.com which makes me query why the album is priced so highly.

 

This is a strong album ghost and carnival are the stand out tracks for me so far but i have a few plays to go yet to decide what the truly best songs are.

 

Am i totally blind but on the album itunes chart i can only see Mark sitting at number 55 with the deluxe version but i cant find a position for the regular version.

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I just hope it makes the top 40! To miss it altogether would be a disaster imo. There aren't many positives but maybe one will be that more effort will be put by all of them into the new TT album, and maybe act as a reminder that they need up continue to deliver and not just expect results

Oh, i presume that everybody that is here disspointed that Mark's album won't be the world bestseller you all expected, is as well in top 40 of your profession, especially when he/she work in a known company.

 

There are tons of great albums you won't even hear the title. So what if they are not in top 40 or whatever? Perhaps those making them were in love with the music or it is their way of artistic expression, should they all be considered flopped? Guess what, the normal people doesn't care which place some album had in 10 years time.

 

Can you remember the Nobel price in chemistry last year? Because this is much more important than a damn place in a chart...

 

Let Mark do whatever he likes to do in his profession. If he feels happy doing it, what are your problem? Don't come with a stupid "legacy to Take tHat2 bullshit. They are a part of Take That and TT exosts because of them , they don't own their life to TT . TT is not a church, just a job. In one job you have better results, from other you gain more experience than succes. This society makes me ill with all emphasis on succes. Do you like the album? Fain, enjoy it. You don't like it? Great, there is pleanty to chhose from on the market!

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With Mark we knew it was always a side project and that he in a sense done it as a hobby rather than a career depending release, we all knew it would never be a world best seller, we had hoped he may possibly achieve his highest charting album to date. From my perspective that is how i see it, however, it is a strong album, it has got promoted by himself and stars is quiet a decent lead single, this mixed with the massive popularity of Take That one would expect a translation of sales to be much higher than what we are seeing. For Mark it probably does not make much difference but i dont think any of us are blinded enough to say that Mark would not be a far happier man if the album was more successful as i cant see him saying isnt it fantastic that my album sales are so much lower than what i anticipated or can he him been totally delighted with losing a lot of money he has put into the album.

 

Success does not define if an album is good or not, that i do hole heartidly agree with it, a good album is a good album regardless of its sales, but then the question is what defines a good album as what is good to one person could be equally as bad to another. I dont think any of us here have a problem with what Mark does in his profession we are simply saying we had hoped for better success especially as we all seem to be enjoying the body of work delivered. Yes, Take That is a job, and a very privileged job that earns them a lot of money and that is why they are doing it, they have all hit career low points and found it hard to cope with and i think it is more than fair to say they dont want to be there again and that is why they know and stick with Take That as they know its their savior in terms of a career and finance.

 

Are we not all the same when it comes to work,we do a job we enjoy if we can and also take the job with the best pay, if the odd bit of work comes up on the side we also chance our arm with it. That is what these guys do which is great. I would also ask do we not all aim for success when we do something, yes we do learn from mistakes and failures but i dont think any person famous or not sets out to achieve a failure, we all aim for success and deal with failure as it comes, we however do not reach out for failures.

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Yes, but what you define as succes for you? To be in top 40 of your profession? Or do you consider yourself a flop because you're not in this top 40? Or are you disspointed about it?

 

Like i sad i am sick of this society judging just in numbers and in succes an acomplished life and whatever one does. I met a lot of people who clean in firm which were more happy and enjoying life than a chef with a beautiful house but with a very stressful life. However, everybody would pity that cleaning person and will have only admiration for the life of that chef...

 

Is a matter of expectation. If you expect only success, you are damn to be not hoppy, as only a few people has it and even more few have continuously succes. Mark for example is one of the few enjoying succes. Why he should have it always is beyond my understanding? He might be happy to make music as he likes it, to go on this tour with his friends and just enjoy the experience of being creative.

 

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If that equals success for you i dont disagree and likewise for Mark. Success is different to each person, to me success is you do the job to the best of your ability, if the outcome is positive its a bonus but still only leaves the initial job a success.

 

 

Mark is number 18 in the midweeks, not bad at all, he stands a chance of achieving his highest charting solo album now.

That's heavily front loaded though. He should drop the price a little to generate some midweek buzz.

Iwonder what the difference in sales is between top 10 and top 30?

 

P.s - no.83 on itunes

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I would agree it is front loaded that is why i predict it will end up around #31 at the highest by end of the week. The price really should be reduced as its priced far to high unless they have a different strategy, knowing it wont sell hugely so make the extra bit of cash from those who will buy it.

 

 

The price really should be reduced as its priced far to high unless they have a different strategy, knowing it wont sell hugely so make the extra bit of cash from those who will buy it.

From the seller's point of view - you must admit that this strategy makes sense.

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For the seller yes but no for the buyer. Realistically we know record companies no matter who or what they are and probably the artist too dont give too much thought into removing money from fans!!
For the seller yes but no for the buyer. Realistically we know record companies no matter who or what they are and probably the artist too dont give too much thought into removing money from fans!!

I suppose Mark could have gone via the Radiohead route and had his album available as a 'pay what you feel is worth' sort of venture.

True, that may have worked and he may have got more sales, i suppose we will never know. I cant understand the high price at all, everyone knows sales are struggling so why price yourself out of the market. Also i thought Mark was releasing this on his own record label but its released on polydor, i never knew he got another record deal, did you know???

 

 

#18 is a lovely start in the midweeks but i would say that is hugely frontloaded i just hope he can stay top 40 and as mentioned by others i hope he can achieve a new peak for his solo career albums.

It's probably down to the TT link, so I doubt he's signed exactly as we would of heard.

 

Have TT signed a new deal with Polydor or have they got an album to go on the deal?

I don't know exactly, but he was signed in Germany (already in 2005) and i think through them did he come to Universal. But i don't know exactly the differences between a normal artist contract and a publishing one.
those are greay sales if true, number 23 today is better than expected hopefully he can hold on and chart higher than number 33

I very much doubt those sales are true. It only charted in the UK and made it to 59 so where could he generate those sales from?

 

The album and single have both failed to chart in Ireland unfortunately

The album's £9 in Tesco (standard edition that is). Cheaper than Amazon!
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