It's actually not that common for a song to get into the 19-25 range at all!!!! So when a song gets there it's odds of being vetoed are already high enough that an extra 3 points don't really matter to it's cause.

 

For example. This month our vetoes scored 36 and 22 points. The next track/s score is/are 14 points and that's only achievable by getting 2 7's. (based on the initial batch)

 

So actually no song this month has fallen foul to anything because of the 1 chart thing. The 22 pointer was in 2 charts as was the 36 points. I wouldn't be opposed to it being changed to 2-3. I'm just saying that based on the evidence I see, it has no negative effect.

 

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We pulled it down to 22 because I don't think we've kept a song that got that high yet. I proposed 20 and 22, 22 was the consensus. It could come down further in the future to 20 but dropping it 5 in one jump is a large step.

Can I just make sure if anyone's going to chart a BJSC track that they're keeping anonymous, please tag it as like 'BJSC Entry - LXI', and don't include the number '61' nor leave it without an 'artist and song' bit. It will cause upset. :)

Can I just make sure if anyone's going to chart a BJSC track that they're keeping anonymous, please tag it as like 'BJSC Entry - LXI', and don't include the number '61' nor leave it without an 'artist and song' bit. It will cause upset. :)

 

You stole my line. :angry:

I wouldn't be opposed to it being changed to 2-3. I'm just saying that based on the evidence I see, it has no negative effect.

 

I see Pavel's point and I think it is worth the change as otherwise we are going to be in a situation with personal charts where entries will purposely not be included for this reason, or we will start seeing charts where a song is just called "BJSC Entry" to avoid the points.

 

A grand total of 3 points shouldn't be of a worry for participants who have well researched their entry beforehand to see if it fits the contest's rules. If an entry has scored a number of 20, like Silas said awarding it a further 3 points would yes result in an auto-veto but with a score that high, the chances of it passing us is ridiculously slim. Furthermore, if an entry has a score of 11 points and scored 3 from being on a personal chart it would indeed mean it's on the veto radar BUT as far as I've been part of the moderating team, none of the entries scoring that low of a point has ever been vetoed before.

 

Lastly, people are free to place their entries anonymously on their personal charts (it has been done before by several BJSC nations to avoid attention gathering prior to semi-finals opening) if they wish to really try and avoid the 3 points being placed but in all honesty, I think a bigger fuss has been made out of this than what it really is. We will go and look into this more if further people have spoken up against this decision but until then we see no reason in changing it yet.

Points evasion is a whole different kettle of fish, we know it goes on and we trust that our framework is strong enough for it not to have an impact.

 

I hope that people won't hide their entries in their charts and if it becomes a trend we will react accordingly.

 

 

For now I'll chat with the guys about making the 3 points 2-3 charts.

Moreover, it's not like you can vote for your own f***ing song, so your entry charting in your own chart has no added cheapness to it whatsoever. Plus it gives a slight advantage to people who don't do personal charts or don't post them on Buzzjack.

Moreover, it's not like you can vote for your own f***ing song, so your entry charting in your own chart has no added cheapness to it whatsoever. Plus it gives a slight advantage to people who don't do personal charts or don't post them on Buzzjack.

 

And once again, we have no idea who sent what. Someone sending an entry featured in a personal chart to BJSC might not necessarily the one who charted it in the first place.

And once again, we have no idea who sent what. Someone sending an entry featured in a personal chart to BJSC might not necessarily the one who charted it in the first place.

Oh, yeah, I suppose that's true. Still, it's far more likely that it's the same person that tries to confirm the song though.

Oh, yeah, I suppose that's true. Still, it's far more likely that it's the same person that tries to confirm the song though.

 

Far likely doesn't equal to each and every though, and you'd be surprised at people charting a different nation's entry without actually knowing it (during the veto research process).

Minor/Yellow (3 points)

• The song has moderate personal chart support from within it's likely fan base. (2-3 personal charts of BJSC participants)

As a gesture of goodwill we have agreed to change this to 2-3 charts with immediate effect. (Which doesn't change any of the scores of the track we have vetoed)

Hooray ~

 

After reading your reasoning I agree that the 3 point penalty would not actually make any real difference but just the principle of potentially punishing someone, even in a completely inconsequential way, for charting their own entry seemed a little bit iffy.

 

(should add I think the rest of the changes to the veto framework were all completely agreeable, so I don't appear to be a total negative Nancy here)

Brilliant, thank you! :cheer:

The Rules is the next thing to be updated. It's cementing a lot of items you've said we were inconsistent on for the most part with a few new additions. Probably the biggest overhaul since the veto/post-tirren yet the changes aren't too major.

 

The locked pinned threads have been locked as they are being refreshed this weekend and will be replaced with a new resource similar to the Spin-off Central Resource Centre. This is part of our move to simplify things for new members and make key information more accessible and co-located.

I'm guessing rules like this "Song has more than 75 replies in a genre forum thread" aren't cumilative?

I'm guessing if it has greater than 75 it doesn't warrant a 12, 7 and 3 pointer?

 

Also where does the Veto stand regarding Brit's Critic's Choice, Mercury Prize and BBC Sound of 2014. I found it tough to avoid anyone on the BBC Sound OF Longlist that I'm into at the moment for an entry.

We count things like the BBC sound of lists as media exposure. And you're right. The points are cumulative. You only get points for the highest relates flag. If a thread has 100 replies it would only get 12 points.

Can this replace the pinned thread?

It's included in the new pinned thread that is replacing about 4/5 of our threads. I will pin it while I finalise the new one though.

Strange question but when you say "with hyperbole set to 11", how hyperbolic is that actually?

 

Is there an example? :unsure: