just read a bit rfom WY's tour PR in some free newspaper

 

this bit is scandalous! ".but for Will Young, not the obvious path of performing horrendous cover versions al la G4, Gareth and Darius." it goes on "...seizing artistic control from the off....."

I know its pr but talk about piffle

 

 

I cannot beleive such a lie is printed in the press, do they even know what Darius has done ??????

 

sorry but that takes the biscuit, oh well count to ten <_< we all know these journos have no idea

Edited September 10, 200618 yr by prettyinpink

But dont you know that any publicity that puts Will in a good light, can be full of mistakes. Its just not aloud the other way round.

 

Everyone knows that Darius did no cover versions what soever, and Gareth actually did the same amount as Will. And they had no choice that first year.

That is disgusting PIP but so typical. When you know that Darius has been no.1 writer on virtually all his songs and NO cover versions, its unbelievable. Which paper was it?

one of the free manchester papers.

 

 

I think the only covers on CDs was Its not unusal b side on one of the CB single CDs(which was live from the PI tour, and anything but horrendous!! and pretty flamingo which Darius did for the NME charity album! which was not horrendous either. perhaps the writer's only knowledge of Darius is from PS and the britney bit. come to think of it gareth nor G4's covers have not been any more horrendous than Will's covers. how to put people's backs up in one swoop. G4 have been very popular since x factor

 

and yes, Will and gareth had no choice but fulfil their contracts and release covers to start with, plus Will has released mostly songs others have written anyway.

 

its a piece selling the tour so what else to you expect, it really bigs up Will which is to be expected.

Edited September 10, 200618 yr by prettyinpink

And this is what one of his fans posted - quote

 

this is good promo..who cares what they say about DD?

fantastic positive write up.

 

Still everyone knows that Darius writes his own songs thats why he didnt sign with Simon cowell in the first place.

I think anyone other than an ardent WY fan reading it would raise an eyebrow,

 

There was also the live concert performance of "I've got you under my skin" on the cassette of Girl In The Moon.

 

I just hope I didn't give the journos the wrong impression by starting those cover version threads - most of those are one offs, performed live and many are only partial because they're part of medleys.

I just hope I didn't give the journos the wrong impression by starting those cover version threads - most of those are one offs, performed live and many are only partial because they're part of medleys.

 

I shouldn't worry Baytree - I can't imagine the reporter would bother to trawl the internet looking for those kinds of individual threads if they can't even be bothered to look at Darius's Music section/catalogue on a website that's actually dedicated to him. It's obvious whoever wrote it has done no Darius research whatsoever, or chosen to deliberately ignore it :rolleyes: - who did write it anyway, does it say? - Is it hosted online anywhere?

I expect it was fed to the Journo by PR people for WY's tour. I just found it so odd that it seemed so deliberately and starkly OTT wrong about Darius

 

it is very sickophantic, in fact almost to the point of being sacrastic.....

I expect it was fed to the Journo by PR people for WY's tour.

 

That is outrageous. I've seen so much written about all the hype for Shayne Ward over the past 12 months. What on earth is this if not `hype'.

 

It would be different if it was truthful, but Will has done as many if not more covers than Gareth, if you count the ones he's done for the Live Lounge radio stations . And he's certainly done more than Darius.

 

Unbelievable how these journalists get away with their reporting.

I expect it was fed to the Journo by PR people for WY's tour. I just found it so odd that it seemed so deliberately and starkly OTT wrong about Darius

 

it is very sickophantic, in fact almost to the point of being sacrastic.....

 

 

That is outrageous. I've seen so much written about all the hype for Shayne Ward over the past 12 months. What on earth is this if not `hype'.

 

It would be different if it was truthful, but Will has done as many if not more covers than Gareth, if you count the ones he's done for the Live Lounge radio stations . And he's certainly done more than Darius.

 

Unbelievable how these journalists get away with their reporting.

 

It could well have been a PR feed that's how it all seems to work these days. I have nothing against postitive media for Will - but why must there always be comparisons to give the public negative impression of other artists, that's bad enough as it is, but downright lies is something else entirely :( Any self-respecting journalist really should check out the facts before submitting an article for publication though, but they are few and far between and like with every other area the media's misleading manipulation is rife :( I really think that even though the article has come out and done it's job so to speak, the journalist and newspaper should get a rebutal about it though ... it wont change anything, but at least it tells them that not everyone buys into their spin :angry:

Edited September 14, 200618 yr by Secret_Song

Frankly I don't believe Will would have been given the chance to have any creative input at all, even the minimal stuff he did on FNO if other artists hadn't taken up Darius's cry.

 

Simon was facing a situation where HE personally was beginning to get heat and his artists were being dismissed as lightweight cover merchants. People started to recall his Power Ranger days and other inglorious stuff like e.g. PJ and Duncan. Then the ratchet turned again - the NME chose Darius not Will to contribute to their War Child charity album of number ones to celebrate 50 years of the UK charts.

 

Simon has a big ego. I'm not that sure he gives a toss what happens to his cash cows, publicity wise, so long as they they keep the pounds rolling in. IMHO he was losing the argument and only relented so he could rebut the accusations and say "You're wrong, they've both written tracks for their albums."

 

He'd opened the floodgates and both Will and Gareth got satisfaction from their input and wanted to do more. They were able to write about half of their second albums. (I discount the Day CD of Gareth's because IMHO it was just the dying throes of SC's attempt to cash in on Gareth's tweeny fans while Gareth himself wanted to appeal to a maturer market.)

 

IMHO 19 made a hash of promoting GYOW and it didn't do as well as they hoped initially so instead of releasing some of G's own excellent tracks as a second single to boost sales, they released a ballad over- hastily.

 

They didn't make either mistake again with WY. His FC album was promoted to the hilt, released to get the swell of Christmas sales..... Heck I even got two copies as Christmas presents....and the same promotion went into every single from it.

 

They carefully timed the release of Keep On to cash in on all the pre-film blurb surrounding Mrs Henderson Presents. The promotional interviews were all about the film and what a wonderful actor he was. The public heard endlessly about the eight auditions and the plaudits from Dame Judy and Bob Hoskins.

 

Unfortunately Switch It On didn't light up the nation and the album did not do as well as they expected.

 

Many non-Will fans who saw MHP only saw Will be Will. Sure he delivered a few lines and stood prettily in the background of non-singing scenes but that was about as far as his "wonderful" acting went. He didn't even sing one full song.

 

The publicity team for the album went into overdrive and it got nearly as much promotion as Crazy Frog. Will was singing All Time Love and other tracks from the album on just about every TV and radio show instead of Switch It On. With TV adverts and discounts galore in the music shops and more importantly the supermarkets, it benefitted again from the Christmas and St Valentine's Day present market.

 

The stress went from the film to what a great songwriter WY is.

 

They'd tried that line before, duping some of the less clued up members of the GBP to believe that Will co-wrote the Ivor Novella Award winning Leave Right Now . He may be a poet who can get others to create a song from his words but unlike Darius or Gareth, I doubt whether I will ever see album tracks or b-sides with his name as sole writer.

 

The latter have a far deeper love of music forged since their childhood. Before PI Gareth was on track to become an opera singer, Darius had already dismissed that offer when he was sixteen and was dead set on being a singer-songwriter. Singing was not Will's first priority. He was studying drama.

 

I think he will be great in The Vortex. Again, it's not too much of a stretch character-wise, being an emotional upper class closet gay but it is Oscar Wilde, so he gets kudos for that.

Edited September 15, 200618 yr by Baytree

As this thread is all about a journalists inability to get his facts right, I think it's only fair to point out just how easily it happens.

 

Baytree, even you have made at least three glaring mistakes, but perhaps in your haste to discredit all things Will, you decided that fact should take a back seat. (I think that's the journalists approach too) :lol:

 

Firstly, PJ & Duncan were never Simon Cowells artists, Robson & Jerome were (are they who you meant?)

 

Secondly, they are the very famous Ivor Novello awards (not Novella)

 

And thirdly, andI'm suprised that someone of your intellect didn't know this, The Vortex was written by Noel Coward, not Oscar Wilde (but then, they're both gay men, closet gays at that) so why the heck worry who the true author was :rolleyes:)

 

As for the rest of your post, the reader can make up their own mind, I can't even be bothered to comment on such drivel.

I thought Will di really well in his first acting role. I wasn't impressed with the film but, that wasn't Will's fault.

 

As for writing, I think you'll find that he will develope into a good writer - if he wants too. Will has always perferred acting and, I must say, I think it'll be more suited to his personality. Whatever part you play, you need to be able to act to carry it off and I think Will has done.

 

I don't think he'll give up singing though, as he has many fans and it's another string to his bow. I think all three boys are talented. I don't need to bring one down to bolster another up.

 

If they ever get a last 5 like the 1st PI one, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.

Thank you, Marguerite. I had noticed that I'd spelt Novello wrongly but decided not to bother correcting it.

 

At the time PJ and Duncan were perhaps wrongly lumped into the SC fold by members of the media and the general mood to remind people about the fact that Simon's reputation may have been more due to quantity and the kerching of the cash register than quality.

 

The fact that I attributed The Vortex wrongly to Oscar Wilde was a senior moment, perhaps because he was more at the fore front of my mind because I had visited his tomb in Pere Lachaise this summer. That I will apologise for. It doesn't alter the fact that the lead character in the play is as described.

Edited September 15, 200618 yr by Baytree

 

 

Well call me picky this morning, but actually, the character Will is about to play in the Vortex, is that of a young musician (there's a link) who has a rather unhealthy obsession with his mother, an Oedipus complex maybe. No hint of homosexuality or closet gayness whatsoever in this part. The fact that it was written & first performed by the gay Noel Coward might be misleading, and as I've said before, just the sort of facts that these pesky journalists get wrong because they don't do their homework. ;)

these pesky journalists get wrong because they don't do their homework. ;)

 

Yes, unfortunately these pesky journalists do get so much wrong and a fair amount of people who probably don't know any different will start to believe them. Unlike us of course who through experience know differently. I think eventually though most people will see through these journalistic ploys.

 

I think all three boys are talented. I don't need to bring one down to bolster another up.

 

I absolutely agree with what you say here Megham. PI1 spoilt the format for any other shows in the same ilk. All the shows have found talent to a certain degree, but nothing near the likes of what was found on those first shows.

 

 

 

If they ever get a last 5 like the 1st PI one, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.

 

Last ten! They didn't!

 

Hayley's fantastic in Grease but :( there's no sign of an album/single. She's my fave after Darius.

 

Rosie and Zoe were brilliant and should of got more chances.

 

Jessica's still working on an album.

 

Korben is a better entertainer than loads from other TV shows.

 

Rik Waller has a good voice.

Korban and Hayley were among my favorites. I thought they were brilliant. I'd go and see either of those 2 perform if I could as well as the last 3.

Well all I have to say to this is that elton john is not a journalist yet it is on the same tack as that other journalist, but and this is what he says in a two page interview in the Mirror today basically talking about the x factor. Here you go.

 

 

 

The x factor is a cruise ship show Ive got nothing against people who go on, good luck to them but I hate how they are treated. They are given an awful sense of stardom and pressure straight away but they are only successful until the next series. The record companies sell a lot of records and those people are gone. Its f....ing cruel. Shaking his head Elton adds look at michelle mcmanus, my heart bleeds for her, she won pop idol, shes a really good singer and now shes forgotten. Will young is the best thing thats ever come out of these shows. He has proved himself but its no way to find talent. I WANT TO HEAR NEW SONGWRITERS. PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING THEIR OWN STUFF, NOT JUST SINGING MY SONGS EVERY WEEK. What is Darius if not that, he has written several songs ALONE which are b sides and no.1 writer on numerous others. He was writing FOR YEARS before he even entered pop idol BUT he didnt sign with SC because he didnt intend to do covers for the very reason that elton is saying.