'Up In Flames' is very nice too :wub:

My favorite part is the echoing beeping noise in the verses. Weird I know. This is up to #6 now :)

My favorite part is the echoing beeping noise in the verses. Weird I know. This is up to #6 now :)

 

That's my favourite bit too and the 'woo hoos' in the middle 8. As I mentioned before very KT Tunstall-esque! Still holding at #6 at the moment :dance:

#11 in the end then :(

 

I did fear this would happen, but I thought with the way things were still holding up with the midweeks on Friday that they still had a chance. I just really hope Polydor don't lose faith in them now. Some of it is the label's own fault for pushing the release date back twice on this.

Actually much better than I thought, so I'm happy.

 

Maybe stanning for Alanis Morissette has prepared me for my faves flopping :lol: bitch can't even get a top 10 album in a dead week </3

Still managed Top 5 in sales which is very impressive. #11 is just not fair. Almost as much of an injustice as Ugly Heart.

Still managed Top 5 in sales which is very impressive. #11 is just not fair. Almost as much of an injustice as Ugly Heart.

 

You just had to mention it didn't ya :cry:

I obviously don't like the song but it always seems wrong that a song can be top 5 on sales but streaming can push it out of the top 10! :/ I guess with sales getting lower and more people streaming it does better reflect how people are consuming music but still...

But this is what annoys me. Streaming is right to be included in chart data but the Official Charts use such vague guesswork in how many quantify a 'sale' and it is risking the entire careers of acts like Lawson because their record companies and the industry aren't bothering to find a way to make streaming accessible in some way or another to artists with fanbases that can't fork out for a Spotify or Deezer membership each month.

 

I've suggested a possible avenue into in this on a thread about streaming on the chart forum, but learning this was top 5 sales alone just - excuse my French - has shown just how f***ed up things are going, even Andy acknowledged as such (although more diplomatically) on his Twitter tonight. As I said I sincerely hope their label doesn't lose faith because Lawson are top lads and they deserve to keep going.

Is £9.99 a month a lot of money? Considering everyone has top notch mobiles? Its like buying 9 songs from the iTunes library but (bar Taylor Swift) having unlimited scope of it.

#5 on sales but #11 overall is definitely a kick in the teeth for them! :(

Not too much of a kick, they're still earning the same amount of money they would've previously which is all record labels *really* care about.

You don't even have to pay for spotify :P You just get some adverts, but they're quite infrequent, easily less than you'd get on the radio and unlike on the radio you're still choosing what you listen to. So the money side is not really an excuse as to why they aren't doing well on streaming.

 

However, I can see why fanbase acts don't get the same streaming support. For bands like this, the fans want to pay money directly to the band I guess, they want to support them in that way rather than them getting a fraction of a penny or whatever from a stream of the song. So they buy the song (perhaps multiple times, a physical and the remix bundle as well), album and tour tickets etc. but won't be so likely to stream it.

 

Streaming really caters for casual music fans (largely) who just lap up the most popular songs on the radio - hence why songs by the likes of Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran hang around FOREVER on the Spotify chart. Casual music fans are less likely to buy songs so £9.99 (or putting up with a few adverts) a month for them is much more worth it and convenient to consume unlimited music wherever they are, to try out new songs, to see what's popular. You still see the fanbases getting excited about "release week" and staying up to download the song etc. but the sad reality is less and less of the general population are buying and more and more are streaming, it's sad that acts like this (even if I don't like Lawson and for that matter some other fanbase acts, I rarely like boybands such as Union J either) are suffering just because the music consuming habits of their fans don't "match" the current market.

 

(I hope that actually makes sense, it's 1am and it's been a long day so forgive me if not :kink:)

But this is exactly my point. Their labels and the industry should be working together to find a way to make streaming accessible, instead of being all 'Well this is how it works now, end of' and then being so surprised when the single misses out on a decent chart position and then cancelling the record deal for fear it's all going tits up when in actuality it's not. I can almost guarantee if the ratio for streams to equivalent sale wasn't as large (10 streams = 1 sale is more realistic) that we would have been looking at a top 10 debut again but this is what pisses me off because the lads will cop the blame for it when it's the industry's fault.

You say that but these said fans don't buy the singles after the album. Look at 1D as proof. They can't get a post-album hit. Never have been able to.

That's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Not every artist gets hit after hit with post-album singles. 'Learn to Love Again' only went top 20 but it was more about airplay on that one and ultimately what it did for the album and helping that back up the charts.

 

This is the first single off a second album that's already been delayed by a year - OK, the large majority of reasons why beyond their control because of Andy's health scare etc. But this needed to be a top 10 and it's fallen short for reasons beyond their control. They've put in all the ground work these last few weeks so no one can accuse them of not doing their bit.

They're not the first act to have slightly underperformed with a single though, not that I'd even call #11 because of streaming an underperformance... It is a bit shit that they dropped 6 places but that's just the way things work, although it does seem odd that there can be such a discrepancy between sales and official chart position but we're still getting used to streaming so it will feel odd.

 

But at the end of the day. it's really not the end of the world :lol: Yes it sucks if you're a fan but it could be a LOT worse and #11 officially plus #5 on the sales chart is pretty good for a fanbase act.

 

Nobody's saying they aren't putting the work in, clearly they did and their fans pulled through for a #5 position on sales. That just happens to not be enough in this climate with streaming, however unfair or sad that may be. Acts like this currently aren't doing well on streaming, perhaps that will change when everyone adapts - who knows?

Let's face facts, as long as Andy continues to wear plunging necklines, sleeveless vests and tight trousers, we're okay. Occasional nudity would be nice too.

 

Alanis Morissette never had a top 10 hit when Jagged Little Pill came out and it sold alright :kink:

Edited June 8, 201510 yr by Regina

I'm offended that a classic such as JLP can be compared to.... this :smoke:

I'm offended that a classic such as JLP can be compared to.... this :smoke: