The bbc said he couldn't come as he would be a government representative in a challengers debate!

 

*Insert 'well why's Nigel Farage there then' joke here.*

They should have two empty chairs in the middle to remind people that the PM and Deputy PM are too scared to be there. :wacko:

Clegg wasn't invited because the BBC were too scared to invite him and incur the wrath of Cameron.

Incidentally, because the BBC refused to invite Clegg, I'm refusing to watch it.

Ditto

If the debate in Sheffield was anything to go by, he'd had just refused and sent a 19 year old in his place.

Badman Eddie M WINS THE DEBATE according to Survation's snap poll *.*

 

Wishlist peddlers, racists and Celtic whingers SCHOOLED (by margin of 4%)

Best tweet was taking the piss out of the Torygraph that Cameron had won the debate by 103% according to poll!

I don't think the SNP have been in a better position, I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour forced into collation with them either. The ongoing support for SNP is incredible and I'm now positive in my lifetime I will see an independent Scotland.

I thought Ed did really well and certainly looked Prime Ministerial.

I don't think the SNP have been in a better position, I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour forced into collation with them either. The ongoing support for SNP is incredible and I'm now positive in my lifetime I will see an independent Scotland.

Nope. Just because the 45% turned into weird cultists who act like they lost on a technicality doesn't mean it's about to happen, considering the bulk of undecided voters who went for No did so on the basis that there were too many unanswered questions about independence. If anything, independence is even less viable now with the oil collapse. It'll recover, but it just goes to show how dangerous any plan which props itself up so much on oil tax receipts is for the lives of ordinary Scots.

Yikes. The closer we get to the election, the worse the polling gets for Scottish Labour:

 

 

They really need to hide Jim Murphy (and keep Miliband south of the border) and wheel out Gordon Brown at any opportunity from now until election day. The Scottish polling has got worse for Labour since Murphy took over, in a timeframe when the UK-wide Labour polling has got slightly better.

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It's not even just Labour - that's gotten even worse for Charles Kennedy too.

 

I think it's more down to Sturgeon's visibility these last few weeks than it is to Murphy - his ratings aren't negative among any group other than SNP voters, whereas Sturgeon's are stratospheric in general.

It's not even just Labour - that's gotten even worse for Charles Kennedy too.

 

I think it's more down to Sturgeon's visibility these last few weeks than it is to Murphy - his ratings aren't negative among any group other than SNP voters, whereas Sturgeon's are stratospheric in general.

 

Kennedy is only down a couple of points since the last poll -- the SNP have mainly gained from other parties.

 

And saying Jim Murphy has decent ratings "apart from SNP voters" is a bit of a red herring when SNP voters make up half of the bloody electorate :P Even Ed would have decent ratings "among Labour voters" if Labour had haemorraged to a rump of 25% or so. Clearly there's numerous factors causing this, but a negative reaction to Murphy is atleast part of it, especially considering he's apparently regarded even worse than the Scottish Tory leader. Though the immature "if you vote for the SNP then we won't work with them just to spite you" from Labour is probably also a factor.

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Kennedy is only down a couple of points since the last poll -- the SNP have mainly gained from other parties.

 

And saying Jim Murphy has decent ratings "apart from SNP voters" is a bit of a red herring when SNP voters make up half of the bloody electorate :P Even Ed would have decent ratings "among Labour voters" if Labour had haemorraged to a rump of 25% or so. Clearly there's numerous factors causing this, but a negative reaction to Murphy is atleast part of it, especially considering he's apparently regarded even worse than the Scottish Tory leader.

He isn't regarded 'even worse' than the Scottish Tory leader - Ruth Davidson (who's pretty impressive by Tory standards anyway) did better in the first debate, but her approval ratings are still below Jim's. Jim in Scotland has pretty similar ratings to David Cameron in the UK (hovering between -10 and 0), which is fairly impressive when 40% of the electorate loathes you for being one of the most prominent campaigners against independence.

I don't think the SNP have been in a better position, I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour forced into collation with them either. The ongoing support for SNP is incredible and I'm now positive in my lifetime I will see an independent Scotland.

 

Why split up a tiny island for nationalistic pride?

 

If Scotland leaves, it will be a powerless player on the worldstage with no material resources and reduce the UK to a side-player in the world. Many in England/ Wales would feel aggrieved at the betrayal of the UK and not support anything Scottish, leading Scotland's economy down into a gutter as it sets up a pointless man-made border across a tiny island. And for what? Scotland and Scottish are already far more recognised than most independent countries and it's not like the UK is a harsh totalitarian master!! Hopefully people see sense before it's too late. Unless they want to leave ONE union to join ANOTHER the European Union lol.

Nope. Just because the 45% turned into weird cultists who act like they lost on a technicality doesn't mean it's about to happen, considering the bulk of undecided voters who went for No did so on the basis that there were too many unanswered questions about independence. If anything, independence is even less viable now with the oil collapse. It'll recover, but it just goes to show how dangerous any plan which props itself up so much on oil tax receipts is for the lives of ordinary Scots.

 

This. The 45% number was inflated by the jingoistic, though excellent, campaigns by the SNP which have convinced people that independence is necessary for, well, I'm not sure why. 20 years ago this wasn't even an issue. We're not living in Braveheart times anymore. Small countries have to compete against HUGE countries like Brasil and India in today's world and becoming smaller still makes no sense.

 

And especially if the Shetland islands decided to hold ANOTHER referendum, as they are loyal to the UK, meaning the UK would still be in control of SEVENTY PERCENT of the (rapidly diminishing) oil reserves. Oil prices have desperately plunged too, and with more renewable energies being used, and the depleting stock AND increased costs, it becomes less and less viable.

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He isn't regarded 'even worse' than the Scottish Tory leader - Ruth Davidson (who's pretty impressive by Tory standards anyway) did better in the first debate, but her approval ratings are still below Jim's. Jim in Scotland has pretty similar ratings to David Cameron in the UK (hovering between -10 and 0), which is fairly impressive when 40% of the electorate loathes you for being one of the most prominent campaigners against independence.

 

A YouGov in March (which I think is the most recent one) put Murphy's net rating on -26.

 

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumul...312_Website.pdf

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Okay that one's genuinely news to me.

 

I'd still like to know exactly what part of the platform he's on you're taking issue with - I can't see Neil Findlay having said literally anything different from the likes of the things Jim's been promising so far.

I don't think the SNP have been in a better position, I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour forced into collation with them either. The ongoing support for SNP is incredible and I'm now positive in my lifetime I will see an independent Scotland.

 

Ignore Westminster - set up your own parliament -

 

 

 

Oh wait this isn't Ireland in 1919

Yikes. The closer we get to the election, the worse the polling gets for Scottish Labour:

 

 

They really need to hide Jim Murphy (and keep Miliband south of the border) and wheel out Gordon Brown at any opportunity from now until election day. The Scottish polling has got worse for Labour since Murphy took over, in a timeframe when the UK-wide Labour polling has got slightly better.

 

Is that a Tory gain??