Which is?

Which is?

 

Against Labour, obviously.

 

Labour only win when they are not perceived as a financial threat - that's why Blair won in 1997.

ISTM it's more a case of what are they voting against...

 

 

Which is??

 

Tories are the same families that rules us as serfs.

 

Labour is about putting money and power back where it belongs.

Against Labour, obviously.

 

Labour only win when they are not perceived as a financial threat - that's why Blair won in 1997.

 

Economy currently tankin under Tories, oops

Which is??

 

Tories are the same families that rules us as serfs.

 

Labour is about putting money and power back where it belongs.

 

Feudalism ended over 650 years ago - that's around 22 generations, so we'll all have 4,194,304 direct ancestors - wanna bet that *none* of them were feudal lords? :rolleyes:

 

Wouldn't you agree that money & power belongs to those who earn it, rather than those who merely inherit it?

 

Economy currently tankin under Tories, oops

 

Please define 'tanking' in the current context.

well i'll help...

nobody cares about dead rich people. It's the current ones who inherited wealth, and help each other to hang on to it, that are the problem. Almost entirely, that is the Tory party and supporters. They could easily pass legislation making it illegal to stash money overseas in offshore accounts, chase up those who do, and stop doing favors for those firms and individuals who "donate" to the cause.

 

Money is power, and powerful people run things. Poor people have no say unless they band together (while carefully not falling for the lies of the powerful). I include powerful, well-financed figures on the left and centre, though, as well, though they tend to be more socially-minded.

 

Tanking: BofE warning household debt is getting to dangerous 2007 levels again. Lowest growth rate of all 28 EU countries. Industries moving away from the UK (don't deny this, it's already happening). Pound at record lows, inflation creeping up while wages don't. Dozens of industry areas with no idea what will happen to their customer base after Brexit, especially those subsidised by the EU.

 

Fortunately I'm vegetarian so I won't have to eat chlorine-saturated chicken and hormone-stuffed beef from the good ol US of A (according to the unreliable and self-interested minister for doing dodgy deals). I'm sure there will plenty of cheap wheat though as Mexico has chosen to source it's produce from argentina rather then the USA, so at least we can get cheap loaves in the future, hopefully not too much GM messing about and pesticides on them.

Theresa May has said that the Tories were caught off-guard by the calling of a snap election. No doubt she will be hading strong words with the person responsible for calling it just as soon as she finds out who it was.

 

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/09/ther...-snap-election/

 

File under "You couldn't make it up".

Can we invent impeachment proceedings so we can impeach this incompetent dipshit?

My god they are vile.

 

Aristocrats beed down the lines from landed gentry.

 

And no, 600 years does NOT.equal millions of direct ancestors. At all.

My god they are vile.

 

Aristocrats beed down the lines from landed gentry.

 

And no, 600 years does NOT.equal millions of direct ancestors. At all.

 

Doesn't it?

 

2 parents

4 grandparents

8 great-grandparents, etc

 

600 years = roughly 20 generations, so we're talking 2^20 potential ancestors

 

Yes, eventually you reach a point way back where there were fewer people on the planet than the number of theoretical ancestors, so that virtually everyone is related to their partners in some very distant way, whether they are toffs or not.

 

Doesn't it?

 

2 parents

4 grandparents

8 great-grandparents, etc

 

600 years = roughly 20 generations, so we're talking 2^20 potential ancestors

 

Yes, eventually you reach a point way back where there were fewer people on the planet than the number of theoretical ancestors, so that virtually everyone is related to their partners in some very distant way, whether they are toffs or not.

 

it doesnt quite work that way, we share many of the same ancestors before you go back far at all. We are all related, obviously because we are the same species, if you go back far enough.

 

That I may have had an ancestor who was filthy rich 700 years ago doesn't mean I have to in any way forgive the inherited generations of being rich who are self-interested rather than socially-minded. A stable and fair government and people who are not intent on revolution and killing all the rich people is the best way forward, plus looking after the people who allow them to have a society which creates or keeps wealth, should mean they have a sense of gratitude, not an inflated sense of self-importance and entitlement.

 

Plenty of (largely self-made) rich people campaign for the less-well-off and the needy. Those who don't are selfish and deserve no sympathy.

it doesnt quite work that way, we share many of the same ancestors before you go back far at all. We are all related, obviously because we are the same species, if you go back far enough.

 

Plenty of (largely self-made) rich people campaign for the less-well-off and the needy. Those who don't are selfish and deserve no sympathy.

 

Your first point basically agrees with the last one of my previous post.

 

Selfishness is hardly confined to the rich though.

Anyone watching the Tory conference, live on BBC Parliament? Today until Wednesday with May's speech on Wednesday at 11am.

Edited October 1, 20177 yr by commonsense

Good god no but I work across from the highly fenced off venue

Good god no but I work across from the highly fenced off venue

 

 

Yes it's like a fortress they said. Unprecedented security checks on everyone.

Spotted a couple of snipers on nearby rooftops as well.

Back in the 1980s a Tory junior minister (Grey Gowrie) resigned because he din't think his £30K salary was enough to live on in London. Now we have a Foreign Secretary who claims that his £140K salary is not enough to support his five children. He did. of course, vote in favour of restricting benefits to two children (apart from the royals).

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...h-a7976641.html

Yes it's like a fortress they said. Unprecedented security checks on everyone.

 

And that surprises you?

 

Spotted a couple of snipers on nearby rooftops as well.

 

Anyone think this is OTT?

 

A couple of questions occur iro the Tory conference protests...

 

1. Do the protestors take time of work to attend, or might they actually be dole-claiming layabouts? :teresa:

 

2. In what is ostensibly a peaceful protest, why do quite a few protestors feel the need to hide their faces?

A couple of questions occur iro the Tory conference protests...

 

1. Do the protestors take time of work to attend, or might they actually be dole-claiming layabouts? :teresa:

 

2. In what is ostensibly a peaceful protest, why do quite a few protestors feel the need to hide their faces?

Yesterday was Sunday. Most people don't work on a Sunday.