We seemed to have posted similar sentiments at the same time.

 

Your "Yes and he uses them characteristics because he uses humour to makehimself seem more fun in the same way some people use humour to stop bullying" matches "Being outrageous and pitching himself as a comedian stops him being a victim."

 

I'm not judging him, or questioning his motives - I just don't find him funny.

On BBLB earlier they were interviewing her Nan and Dad and they were saying they were shocked she smokes and never ever heard her swear.

 

I do think it's to do with were she lives...I'm not gonna judge her on being machaivalien as I think it's a good quality.

 

The psycholigists on Big Mouth said she was a social kameleon who changes to adapt to the situation. Now if thats makes her a bad person then I am too because there are times when Im with certain people and I have to change to o to be more acceptable.

 

On the levels of deceny, bitching and slagging others off she doesnt do anything behind peoples backs or do little impressions of people. She's always first to sort stuff out through talk like an adult.

It certainly not wrong not to enjoy watching him but it's not right questioning him trying to use comedy to cope with stuff he cant control.

And it was a quote from an article in The Times.

 

The article itself is not an attack on Pete - it's just explaining that not all his mannerisms are symptoms of Tourette's.

 

I'm not judging him, or questioning his motives - I just don't find him funny.

 

Yes and I think thats OK to say that! It's alright, itt's like I say oeople find certain things and certain people funny - others dont.

 

I'm pointing it out to other people in this topic who cant see thats why he acts the way he does and to be honest he really really doesn't need to. People would like him anyway if he didnt pull so many faces or feel the need to entertain all the time.

 

I didnt say it was an attack on him, I said it was 'questioning' which is what it and people are doing...fair do's if they want answers but to me it's always been obvious from the minute he fake fell down the stairs thats what he was doing.

 

How is she playing a game?

You keep saying it's obvious. If it's obvious, explain how she's doing it.

 

 

 

at the risk of sounding patronising, it comes with age/experience, having first hand experience mainly in the workplace on how two faced and dulicitous people can be.

 

you want an example?... well what about that time she was giving advice to spiral about how to get through the nominations? it was his first time "you need to think about it before hand so when you go in you can give the names straight off"................ then what did she do in the diary room nominating?..... a thirty minute crying tyrade "i dont want to do it, i cant do it"......

 

then theres the way she blubbs her heart out if her perceived perception of herself is brought into doubt... she was GUTTED that she is the most machiavalien, why?.

 

her attitude to being evicted was utterly obnoxious, she hated the fact that she was evicted and took it worse then anyone else.

 

her character changes....

 

now i do accept that she has some good points, and is far better... possibly the best, female housemate, but the innocent adoration some people are attributing to her is rather...... bizarre.

I'm pointing it out to other people in this topic who cant see thats why he acts the way he does and to be honest he really really doesn't need to. People would like him anyway if he didnt pull so many faces or feel the need to entertain all the time.

We are in complete agreement.

 

...I'm not gonna judge her on being machaivalien as I think it's a good quality.

 

 

 

 

that depends upon how you use that ability

at the risk of sounding patronising, it comes with age/experience, having first hand experience mainly in the workplace on how two faced and dulicitous people can be.

 

you want an example?... well what about that time she was giving advice to spiral about how to get through the nominations? it was his first time "you need to think about it before hand so when you go in you can give the names straight off"................ then what did she do in the diary room nominating?..... a thirty minute crying tyrade "i dont want to do it, i cant do it"......

 

then theres the way she blubbs her heart out if her perceived perception of herself is brought into doubt... she was GUTTED that she is the most machiavalien, why?.

 

her attitude to being evicted was utterly obnoxious, she hated the fact that she was evicted and took it worse then anyone else.

 

her character changes....

 

now i do accept that she has some good points, and is far better... possibly the best, female housemate, but the innocent adoration some people are attributing to her is rather...... bizarre.

 

AMEN! <3.

 

The way everyone's being "She's the most GENUINE one" is really annoying, because she clearly isn't :(.[/size]

 

The Phoenix from the Ash!

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Day 91, 09:45 BST - by Emzi Tingay

 

Hello there Machiavellian mollies, madams, mongers, mingers and misfits.

 

Have you got your Big Brother bearings back after The Great Eviction Rip-off of 2006? I went though the same emotions as everyone else – feeling utterly cheated, appalled at the sheer audacity of Endemol taking so much money off so many people for so long only for the evicted housemates to be given the chance of being regurgitated back into the house after we paid good money to swallow the odious little cretins for good. Swines.

 

So were we all abhorred? Did we swarm en masse over to Love Island? As if. Bucketloads more viewers, wads of cash pouring the way of Endemol-approved charidees, and we all sit up and take notice. Lump it or lump it, the twist worked.

 

Proof if it were ever needed that the great British viewing public are moronic nodding dogs who will even watch a gameshow which throws the rule book on the floor, stamps on it, pockets cash their ill-gotten gains and flicked a virtual V-sign at anyone who was ever daft enough to throw fifty pence pieces at them in the first place. Endemol knew they could get away with it because we’re fickle idiots. And me more than anyone. Brilliant.

 

Big Brother kids the kids

 

It's our own fault. We're adults, we should be off doing more ideologically sound things - reading, disco-dancing, making macramé plant pot holders, procreating, anything but continually throw money at the TV so we can sit in our house, watching other people sit in a house. It's madness, but we're informed grown ups. Stop bothering Ofcom, right?

 

Wrong, bother them all you like. What troubles me is this; The twist was a sure-fire way to get Nikki back into the house. Endemol knew the public and housemates would pick her, especially if Glyn was conveniently removed from voting. Although Nikki's fanbase is varied, a huge chunk of her fans are the very youngest of Big Brother voters. It's a no-brainer; it's easy for children to identify with her. After all, she acts younger than most of them and dresses like a bunny rabbit. The same young fans who voted for Princess Nikki, the human dolly, to save her from eviction dragons time and again, those little Year 8 critters with their sparkly, stickered mobiles with the Girls Aloud ringtone are the ones we're dealing with.

 

Big Brother's real Little Brothers

 

"But Big Brother isn't for kids, it's up to the parents to stop them watching at night", I hear you grizzle. I'm afraid that isn't the case. For all adults who think Big Brother starts post-watershed, you're fogged in a grand illusion – it's the talk of the playground. For many young families, Big Brother is served up every morning with the Coco Pops. A child-friendly version of the show is screened at around 8am on C4, usually accompanied by one of the sister shows such as Little Brother or Diary Room Uncut. Couple that with a smattering of BB related shows at school home-time on E4 and nobody can deny that Big Brother, while not defined as a children's show, is clearly aimed at involving children and in my opinion, it's their piggy banks Endemol are raiding to save Princess Nikki and Co.

 

"Do kids really interact with Big Brother?" I asked my friend who is a mum of three. "Well a load of idiots bouncing around a multicoloured house, Big Brother, Balamory the little man can't tell the difference," she joked before warning me: "As for the older kids, look up their phones, you'll find all the eviction numbers in there." I tried to argue that it's not for kids but her kids pointed out that the Terms & Conditions page on the official C4 site does not state you have to be over any certain age to vote. Endemol 1, Mum 0.

 

So that's what got my goat about it all. A lot of kiddies' pocket money was snatched. Boo hiss.

 

Glyn When You're Winning or Come On Aisleyne?

 

Decisions, decisions. Glyn, Aisleyne and Pete have all been my favourites at various stages over the past three months and now it’s down to business – who gets the 100K?

 

I get the feeling Glyn will reap the financial rewards of BB, endless heat covers featuring Glyn's Manly Makeover! complete with Daffodil-shaped posing pouch covering his Welsh Rarebit, not to mention the obligatory Can't Cook, Won't Cook appearance that awaits him. There's a self-made gap in the market for Glyn - I can see him gangling away like Swedish Chef from Muppets while Mr Socially Conscious Jamie Oliver shows Glyn and students all over the country how to make the best of their dried pasta, Value Tuna and tinned tomatoes. That will buy him more than a few bevvies in the Student Union no doubt.

 

Pete has drifted into OK! romance territory now and that pays well enough. Only time will tell if he was the best role model for Tourette's Syndrome. I've already had to explain to friends' kids that not all people with Tourette's take drugs meant for animals and lush over psychopathic sex bunny womanchilds. They think Tourette's sufferers are weirder than ever. But as an adult, I see that myths about Tourette's have been broken and that you can 'untune' yourself to someone's symptoms. If that was his goal, Pete's done a pretty damn good job despite his mother selling his soul for (quote) "glasses of champagne" to the trashy mags and rags.

 

Queen Aisleyne of Kings Cross

 

I've argued Aisleyne's case previously in this column but if you're not an Aisleyne fan or you're not convinced, picture the scene if Aisleyne wins...Grace will turn luminous green, sprout horns and combust, Pete will wonder what happened to Endemol dream that was five years in the contriving, er, I mean making. Nikki will phone her agent in a state of utter hysterics before she screams and her head starts spinning around a la The Exorcist, Michael will give birth to kittens, Susie will splash a vindicating bottle of Princess Nikki's mineral whoortaar over the exploding Grace, Mikey's jaw will drop open and he’ll adopt a thousand-yard-stare (no change there), a stunned Davina will have the indignation of interviewing the housemate she clearly loathes and Imogen will flash her genuinely happy beauty pageant smile over the whole event, bebe. Wouldn't that be brilliant?

 

Power To The People

 

Aisleyne has had precious little mainstream media support; her rise is down to Big Brother fans alone who have seen the caring, honest and sisterly side to the ghetto princess and raged against the frustrating Endemol bias she's endured. If Aisleyne wins, for the first time, we will truly see a people’s champion. Ah so what? One final 50p vote to Endemol, you gotta break eggs to make omelette and lordy, we've broken enough eggs already. In a series more full of twists than Kansas, wouldn't it be great if the final twist was on Endemol? It won't happen of course, Pete was favourite to win since..oooh…2001 when he first auditioned.

 

Game Over

 

I can't believe it's been six summers since Nasty Nick's Machiavellian mastery transformed an unassuming, cultish human zoo experiment on Channel 4 into the manipulating media monster it is today. It's still great, I’m still addict but it's never really been reality and now it's not even a game show. It's a scripted comedy-drama now. Who knows where it will go from here. 'Citing.

 

 

Yeah but look at the thing she said to Spiral - she was telling him how to do it, based on her own experience and fault because she cant do it - hoping he could do it. It was advice not saying one thing and not practicing it.

 

Yeah she has her faults - I know them and can see them but it comes down to she seems 2 faced because of the kameleon side to her & it's not that. It's not like she goes to one person says "your hair looks good" then goes to the next and says "Her hair looks $h!t" Not at all.

 

I don't think she's worth putting on a pedestal but out of the 6th left:

 

Glyn - Annoying. Cant stand him.

Jennie - I like her but she hasn't been in there long enough.

Richard - A fake as far as Im concerned. I was suckedin by him all series thinking his harsh slagging off of people was true. He started the 'plastics' then when it came face to face with Grace - did he continue his disgust and protest - oh no, he facking joined them. His words mean nothing to me now.

Nikki - Entertained me but does not deserve to win.

Pete - I do like Pete and he's my fave, I'd be happy for him to win but at the same time he hasnt had any bad stuff to put up with unlike...

 

 

...the only other one left I can see good in = Aisleyne.

 

Thats my reasons and on a personal note I like the kameleon and machaivalien in her. I think she uses it in a positive way.

It's weird I just read it and couldn't quite find anything new really saying why I should vote.

 

Admitidly part of my vote is to in some way slap Grace and Mikey in the face after last weeks fiasco. And also I feel Aisleyne was bullied by them in a way and I'm glad the public dont want to approve of that - it's done Nikki no favours mixing with them last week.

 

 

 

Pete - I do like Pete and he's my fave, I'd be happy for him to win but at the same time he hasnt had any bad stuff to put up with unlike...

 

 

 

 

you dont think that appearing 24/7 on national tv with tourettes qualifies as "bad stuff"?... :lol:

Thanks for answering and for giving reasons.

 

We're obviously not going to agree on Aisleyne. I've read your reasons and I'm going to state how I disagree with them.

 

I'm not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to put a case forward in her defence.

 

at the risk of sounding patronising, it comes with age/experience, having first hand experience mainly in the workplace on how two faced and dulicitous people can be.

 

Being older you'll have met a lot more snakes than me.

But Aisleyne is one of the least duplicitous IMO: only Pete trumps her on that count.

She confronted the people she didn't like - more than can be said for Lea, Lisa, Nikki or Grace. For all their posturing about how honest they are and how two-faced Aisleyne is, none of them dared say a word to her about it.

 

you want an example?... well what about that time she was giving advice to spiral about how to get through the nominations? it was his first time "you need to think about it before hand so when you go in you can give the names straight off"................ then what did she do in the diary room nominating?..... a thirty minute crying tyrade "i dont want to do it, i cant do it"......

 

I will give you this one.

I was bemused by Aisleyne's behaviour that time. It was bizarre and did not make her look good.

But that's the only time I've questioned her in that way. At all other times, she stands up for what she thinks is right and I respect that.

 

then theres the way she blubbs her heart out if her perceived perception of herself is brought into doubt... she was GUTTED that she is the most machiavalien, why?.

 

I think she was gutted because it looks bad. It makes her housemates lose trust in her and she'd been booed a lot by the audience. The public finding that out was not going to make her feel even more liked by them.

She seems to cry hard about everything. Finding out the score wasn't good news so her bawling about it fits a pattern. I don't think she was more upset about that than about other things.

 

her attitude to being evicted was utterly obnoxious, she hated the fact that she was evicted and took it worse then anyone else.

 

She did not take it well at all. But in a way it's understandable.

She'd been told she wasn't liked. So she acted like a knob so she can believe it's her decision.

 

That mentality is something I've seen a lot.

I mean put up with bad stuff inside the house by other housemates. Not talking about his tourettes or the views of the public.

 

No housemates slagged him off, taken the p*** out of him etc etc or tried to make him look bad. Like Glyn he's pretty much for the most had praise.

Thanks for answering and for giving reasons.

 

We're obviously not going to agree on Aisleyne. I've read your reasons and I'm going to state how I disagree with them.

 

I'm not trying to start an argument at all. I just want to put a case forward in her defence.

Being older you'll have met a lot more snakes than me.

But Aisleyne is one of the least duplicitous IMO: only Pete trumps her on that count.

She confronted the people she didn't like - more than can be said for Lea, Lisa, Nikki or Grace. For all their posturing about how honest they are and how two-faced Aisleyne is, none of them dared say a word to her about it.

I will give you this one.

I was bemused by Aisleyne's behaviour that time. It was bizarre and did not make her look good.

But that's the only time I've questioned her in that way. At all other times, she stands up for what she thinks is right and I respect that.

I think she was gutted because it looks bad. It makes her housemates lose trust in her and she'd been booed a lot by the audience. The public finding that out was not going to make her feel even more liked by them.

She seems to cry hard about everything. Finding out the score wasn't good news so her bawling about it fits a pattern. I don't think she was more upset about that than about other things.

She did not take it well at all. But in a way it's understandable.

She'd been told she wasn't liked. So she acted like a knob so she can believe it's her decision.

 

That mentality is something I've seen a lot.

 

 

oh im not arguing, just attacking ash! lol. debate! its good for the brain...

 

like ive said, shes probably my fav female housemate, but she ruins herself imho . and i dont think that she deserves that much adoration...

This one is good too.

 

You have to go through lots of screens but it reminded me of why she's my favourite.

Everyone who says she's a gameplayer, and uses popular people to survive, should note that her closest friends in the house were Imogen and Susie - hardly contenders to win.

 

Here:

 

http://www.orange.co.uk/bigbrother/feature...home2ndrowright

Sorry. Double post.

Edited August 16, 200618 yr by Tim

oh im not arguing, just attacking ash! lol. debate! its good for the brain...

Cool. Well this has certainly been a stimulating debate!

Cool. Well this has certainly been a stimulating debate!

 

Im With Tim, ash is great entertainment, end of, she gonna come second if not first get over it!!

right guys i look at all the polls n bookies and everything ash will come top 3 i think its a battle between her and glynn to who willcome 2nd

Pet will win

Ash/glynn 2

ash/glynn 3

nikki/rich 4

nikki/rich 5

jennie