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Higher and Higher, i cant see making the cut. That said, including it, would open it to more people hearing it. There are people who will buy the Greatest Hits that wont have purchased Three.

 

Has anyone considered any good name for the Greatest Hits. 5:4:3 The Greatest Hits?

 

:lol: That would be appropriate :D

 

"Greatest Hits. Revolving Doors" ? or maybe "3+" ? :P

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In and Out: The Very Best Revolving Door Greatest Hits..... :P :P :P

 

 

I like it.

I am a TT5 and TT4 fan Milly. I am not keen on TT3, but appreciate that they take risks which is more than many others do. But... I have noticed and this is especially the case I the TT/Robbie world. that people simple close their eyes against reality.

I am a huge Robbie fan (who is and always will be a member of TT just like any other member of the group). He was once one of the biggest stars in Europe, sold 1.6 million tickets in a single day in 2006. a single day!, but I also know that he need a huge album to count in the highest league, which is difficult with the changed way music is consumed these days. There are not so many who still listen to entire albums. But he sells major tours far better than TT aside of the UK where he has not toured since some years. I can see his flaws and his good sides. The TT fans on this forum does not see this with TT. if they do not sell everyone is guilty only TT isn't. This is more than a pink glass to see it. I remember gary telling the press he will tour his solo album in Europe and Australia. He didn't because it didn't sell at all. TT have not sold without Robbie outside the UK either. They sell great tours there, but nowhere else. This is a fact.

But...no one knows if Robbie will sell with his album in Europe this time around. But I can realize this and love him nevertheless. And I love love love the Flood which by the way is written by Robbie in 2008 already (He speaks about writing this song in the Bio 'You know me'.)

And again the entire argument revolves around money and sales :banghead:

As for The Flood....I'll say this: interesting that Robbie would have written some lyrics (cause that's his entire contribution to the song!!!!) about TT in 2008. He must have been bored...or....

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Oh, for goodness sake, Elisabeth. Talk about going around in circles :)

 

For the final time Rob DID NOT write The Flood before 2010. It's been commented on by forum members including me that the song was written after they reunited. If you watch the documentary you will clearly see that Rob and Gary were working on the song and the lads joined them in the recording studio. Rob and Gary showcased how far they'd gone with the song. They had some lyrics and a good section of the music. There is irrefutable evidence of this.

 

Yes, Rob is more popular in Europe and the rest of the world. We've all agreed with you time and time again on this point. Forum members really haven't 'closed their eyes against reality.' Of course I can't speak for everyone else but if my memory's correct ( and I'm going off my fairly recent membership and haven't trailed back through threads), no one on this site has made the claim that TT4/3 is more popular world wide that Rob. If you can find evidence to the contrary then I apologise.

 

Also, I think you'll find that Rob has toured quite extensively in the UK in recent year including the Swing Tour and Take The Crown Tour. Finally, I take exception to your assertion that forum members don't see TT's flaws. If you've read the thread over the past week you'll see I and others have commented on Gary's shortcomings as a performer and on many occasions I've been critical of Mark's vocals in particular.

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dylan62, again i back everything you say. We are not blinded by Take That's flaws and we all openly state their shortcomings. Elisabeth1973, it may be worth considering you are not opening your eyes to the many flaws of Robbie.

I'd like to say that Elisabeth certainly keeps us on our toes!!!

 

All things considered for a fan forum we're actually quite critical and not blinded completely by their weaknesses. I've stated in threads that TT4 is the best combination and the last tour whilst good wasn't as good as The Circus or BW. The fact that in my view Progress was their worst tour since their comeback is not entirely due to Rob. I think Kath picked up on the flatness of the TT4 in that tour - and she's right. It was the weakest performance I've seen from the boys post 2005 - and I don't blame Rob for that.

 

If they re-unite then let's hope it's a cohesive show. They should consider a chronological approach starting with their earliest hits taking them logically through to their most recent songs, although I expect some leeway for songs such as Never Forget. I hope they don't try and be too cleaver - a simple historical perspective of their work with some innovative approaches to the songs would be enough. As I've said I would spend the money on different stages, brilliant lighting and orchestration. I'd do away with a large entourage - part of the problem with Progress was too many people on the stage at any one time which frequently obscured the view of the band. I don't know if everyone saw the BW tour but in some respect it was a wonderful example of balance between flamboyant numbers and routines and quieter sections . A stadium show may require a larger scale approach but in all honesty as a fan I'd be happy to sing along to all the songs - a celebration of 25 plus years in the music business and a trip down memory lane.

Well, it's no secret that I'm a huge Gary fan and a big supporter of TT, but even I conceded to Kath's claims that Gary isn't showcasing his sense of humour very often anymore, that his lines during the tour are scripted and some of his gestures rehearsed, I and dylan were the first ones to heavily criticize Hey Boy when it was released as a single, we criticized some of the boys' performances, we agreed with Kath that the TT4 part of Progress was underwhelming (even if our views on the reasons may have differed) and so on...if that's being blind to their flaws, then so be it.

 

I'm actually interested, Elisabeth, what are Robbie's flaws in your eyes, aside from not being able to sell that many albums anymore? There's one thing that's always intrigued me since I've been on this forum: from time to time, you come back to the tax issue and then I point out that Robbie is no saint either and he's done the same thing you're accusing TT of, but you never answer back: where do you stand when it comes to Robbie's legal problems, instead of TT's? Are they acceptable to you because they come from Robbie? For instance, I have declared that I'm not bothered by tax avoidance, no matter who does it; Kath, on the contrary, has stated that she blames Robbie and TT and anyone who does it...but you might be the first one who has double standards- it's ok for some people, aka Robbie, but not for others (i.e TT).

 

And when did we blame everyone but TT? I distinctly remember discussing on this forum how the boys are to blame for not having a good promotion strategy past the first single and that we can't lay all the blame on the PR or the label. Selective much?

 

Going back to this thread's subject: I agree with you, Dylan62. I'd like a more laid back tour - I really loved Gary's solo tour, in terms of visuals and staging; it was very elegant and tasteful and did not distract from the music. The boys can't keep going over the board with every tour, cause it will get to a point where the spectacle overshadows the music. I, for one, really enjoyed the Ultimate Tour and the BW tour. I know many prefer the Circus tour - and I love it too, obviously -, but I'm always more inclined to re-watch the first 2 tours dvds. Once you know what's going to happen outside the musical number, the interest disappears...the only thing that draws you back is the musical number itself. As impressive as the elephant was, I still prefer the CIBM number on the BW tour, cause the show only enhanced the vocal performance and not obscured it; as much as I try, I don't understand much of The Garden on The Circus tour. And my all time favorite TT tour performance still remains Love Ain't Here Anymore on the Ultimate Tour.

 

 

The Ultimate Tour was the one that actually made me sit up and think - this band's good. When they first came on the scene I liked some of their songs very much: Pray, BFG, NF etc but being older than them I perceived them as a 'throw away boy band and that was as far as my interest went.

 

A large group of us decided to get tickets to the Ultimate Tour because we thought is would be a good night out. That night changed everything for me. I was so impressed by the music, the vocals ,the staging and the relationship between the band members. It truly was a fantastic night. Gary's vocals surprised me and LAHA was amazing because Gary's vocal at the end of that segment was outstanding.

 

They then released Patience and the BW album and I've been a fan ever since. Perhaps that's partially why I never invested in Rob because he wasn't on the radar when I became a fan of the band. However, another reason was I remembered Rob's behaviour and comments post break up in the 90's and whilst not a fan of the band I thought he was so nasty and unkind it's stuck with me ever since.

 

Your right about CIBM on the BW tour- I went to Birmingham with just one a couple of others and we were opened mouth at that segment of the show. It was breath taking to watch, and the section in the round was fantastic. The NF segment was also incredibly imaginative and perhaps my favourite show case of that song. So, from my perspective I'd take elements of the UT, BW and Circus to influence any reunion show.

 

What I like about this small forum is the mix of opinions and perspectives- although I sometimes get frustrated by it :) I find as a whole we're quite open to criticising the band and highlighting poor performances/ music. I don't think we're sycophantic in any way which makes for an interesting forum.

 

As this thread is about a possible reunion tour perhaps we could all list say 20 songs we think should make the cut.

 

 

 

Agreed: even if I get frustrated sometimes by some comments, I do enjoy the dialogue on this forum :D IT's actually the only forum where there is a civilized dialogue. And, whilst at the beginning I sincerely disliked Kath's "nastiness" towards Gary, now I'm looking forward to her calling me out on my Gary "love" and exchanging some banter :P

 

As for that list, I think there are some songs that will indisputably make the final cut:

BFG

AMLS

RTW

NF

Patience

Greatest Day

Shine

Pray

The Flood

These Days

 

Afterwards, it's a matter of criteria - it depends on what they'll use as a point of reference for selecting the songs.

I'm curious if Relight, CIBM, Babe, Everything Changes make the cut.

I think they might go for Love Love, Hold Up A Light and Get Ready For It as well.

 

Personally, I'd like Flaws and Higher than Higher to be included, just so they could reach a wider audience.

If I were the boys, I'd make 2 disks: one of the actual hits- those 10 songs I listed - and one disk of fans' favorites. They should have an official poll and let fans choose 10 album tracks they like the most.

The top of my list would be Don't Say Goodbye and WYBTFM.

I think fans might go for 8 Letters 3 W 1M as well.

That was quick Milly !! I'll think about my list and post later. I already know many of the songs I like won't make the list because the wouldn't quality as 'hits' but I'll post them anyway.

Songs on my list wouldn't necessarily be my choice but based on No 1's and how well known they are the tour list may be something like this:

 

Pray, AMLS, NF, Everything Changes, Babe, Love Ain't Here Any More, How Deep Is Your Love, RMF, Sure, CIBM, Beatles Medley (?), Shine, Patience, Greatest Day, RTW, These Days, The Flood, Hey Boy (ugh) Eight Letters ( Rob sings) , Get Ready For It, Love Love and maybe Said It All/Garden. Assuming Rob comes back this would mean he could conceivably have 4 lead singles and perhaps share songs such as Shine and have a large input in the Beatles Medley.

 

Songs I would like to make the list:

 

Nobody Else, Crack in the Heart, Rocket Ship, When We Were Young (actually really like Rob's vocals on this song) CMH and WYBTFM, Butterfly, We All Fall Down, Like I Never Loved You At All and Higher Than Higher.

 

However, to be frank I'd be happy to hear any number of lesser known songs and B sides but I can't see it happening.

Songs on my list wouldn't necessarily be my choice but based on No 1's and how well known they are the tour list may be something like this:

 

Pray, AMLS, NF, Everything Changes, Babe, Love Ain't Here Any More, How Deep Is Your Love, RMF, Sure, CIBM, Beatles Medley (?), Shine, Patience, Greatest Day, RTW, These Days, The Flood, Hey Boy (ugh) Eight Letters ( Rob sings) , Get Ready For It, Love Love and maybe Said It All/Garden. Assuming Rob comes back this would mean he could conceivably have 4 lead singles and perhaps share songs such as Shine and have a large input in the Beatles Medley.

 

Songs I would like to make the list:

 

Nobody Else, Crack in the Heart, Rocket Ship, When We Were Young (actually really like Rob's vocals on this song) CMH and WYBTFM, Butterfly, We All Fall Down, Like I Never Loved You At All and Higher Than Higher.

 

However, to be frank I'd be happy to hear any number of lesser known songs and B sides but I can't see it happening.

 

Agree with all of them. Like I Never Loved You At All had completely gone off my radar. It's one of my favorites - I just don't like it when Gary sings it with a female artist.

I'd add Freeze, Fall Down At Your Feet, Sleepwalking and You :)

Basically, I think fans would be happier with b-sides than the actual hits :P

 

Try as I may, I just can't help thinking how weird it would be for Robbie to share leads on Shine - the song is about him; he'd be singing to himself :blink:

I reckon Rob would be up for singing about himself:) I'd forgotten about Sleepwalking, FDAYF and would definitely be happy for either of those. I would also be more than pleased for Freeze and one that's just jumped into my mind: Don't Say Goodbye to the World.

 

The more I think about it there are so many songs from their back catalogue which deserve to be heard live. It's going to be a vary, very difficult decision for them to make.

I reckon Rob would be up for singing about himself:) I'd forgotten about Sleepwalking, FDAYF and would definitely be happy for either of those. I would also be more than pleased for Freeze and one that's just jumped into my mind: Don't Say Goodbye to the World.

 

The more I think about it there are so many songs from their back catalogue which deserve to be heard live. It's going to be a vary, very difficult decision for them to make.

 

I beat you to it, dylan62 :) Don't Say Goodbye has always been at the top of my list. I loooove that song. I'll never understand why they don't perform it live. Another Crack and Don't Say Goodbye were the 2 main fan requests for the last tour; I know that Mike Stevens was aware of them and I think he let the boys know about them. Why they didn't work them into the setlist is beyond me.

That's true, dylan - TT have so many good songs in their back catalogue it's hard to choose just a few.

Sorry Milly, can see that you've already said DSGTTW now. You also mentioned HUAL. That will undoubtedly make the set list.
Id love songs like Julie, Reach out, Hold up a light and 8 letters to make the set list but Hold up a light is the only one of these that may stand a chance,
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