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Make Mine Music certainly shouldn't be last - the Peter and the Wolf segment alone is brilliant.

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17th Iago (Aladdin) = 20 Points

Just missing out on becoming Buzzjack's favourite 'Aladdin' character by 1 point. Jafar's trusty sidekick with an extremely loud voice and personality, often overlooked especially at the time by 'The Genie', but he has seemed to won over more fans on here though with his wisecracks and just fun to be around.


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=16th Jasmine (Aladdin) = 21 Points

The most popular 'Aladdin' character here is none other than the lovely Princess Jasmine and well deserved I must say and quite different to the Princess's that came before her, she was more strong willed and free spirited, and doesn't pine for a handsome prince to whisk her away (even though that does happen), but Jasmine definitely has an edge to her personality wise as well as being wonderfully designed with her beautiful features.


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=16th Dumbo (Dumbo) = 21 Points

Here we have the wonderful 'Dumbo' the title character from the movie of the same name, despite no spoken dialogue he expresses so much pain with just his eyes and movement, and come on don't you just love that moment when he flies.


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14th Ralph (Wreck It Ralph) = 22 Points

The last of the 'Wreck It Ralph' characters to feature here, and the highest is none other than Ralph himself whose labelled as a bad guy in his game of Fix It Felix and soon sets out to prove himself, his friendship Vanellope was one of his many turning points, a larger than life guy who literally carries the movie on his shoulders and voiced brilliantly by the great John C. Reilly.


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13th Ariel (The Little Mermaid) = 24 Points

The most popular character from 'The Little Mermaid' is again the title character 'Ariel' the 8th Disney Princess to feature here. Fully realized female character who thinks and acts independently and instead of waiting for fate to run it's course she rebels, and yes she often makes mistakes, but that only makes her more human and definitely keeping up with the more modern attitudes.

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40. Brother Bear // Avg. 6.066

Highest Scores: 10: (Regina, Cameron), Lowest Scores: 0: (Harry Ezra)

Kicking off the top 40 is 'Brother Bear', which means that we've lost 8 of the 11 Post Renaissance Disney movies, leaving only 3 left in the running. In many ways this is quite underrated and even though it's largely forgotten, it's still one of the more complex and intelligent Disney films to come out during the 00's and wedged between the 2 massive flops of 'Treasure Planet' & 'Home On The Range', this didn't do anything to restore faith. I did like the story line where a boy gets turned into a bear to teach him a lesson after he murders one that killed his brother is very thought provoking, especially when he befriends a young cub along his journey only for a brutal twist to happen which was easy to figure out, but was handled quite well. But on the downside there are faults with this, like having Phil Collins music poorly shoved into the movie, especially at what's supposed to be a heart breaking scene, just ruins the moment, and then there's the ending which was sweet just doesn't really didn't make that much sense, I thought the lesson was that man and bear was supposed to get along in harmony.




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39. The Black Cauldron // Avg. 6.5

Highest Scores: 11: (Cameron), Lowest Scores: 5: (Chez Wombat, HausofKubrick, Qween, Kylie Jackson)

At #39 is 'The Black Cauldron', which was known for many years as Disney's greatest shame for being a commercial critical and box office failure and didn't get a release on video until 15 years after it came out in cinemas. The first movie here to gain a 11, but didn't gain any 10's and while average wise it is a big jump from 'BB', it's the multiple scores of 5 that prevented this from getting any higher. This is probably the most un-Disney film out of the bunch and the first and last time they tried the sword and sorcerey genre. It's very interesting to see them tackle something very dark, complex and mature, and the animation is very captivating and holds up well today, and the imagery is very gothic and just awesome, especially on the Horned King character. But personally what lets this down is the story and the characters which to say the least are lacking, the lead Taran just wasn't a strong lead and wasn't very likeable, as well as the other side characters who just hold your attention, and the fact that Disney tried to condense 2 books into one movie, just didn't hold well and while there are hints of a good movie here, sadly it could have used a bit more work.




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38. Fantasia // Avg. 6.533

Highest Scores: 10: (Ultraviolence1989), Lowest Scores: 3: (Alex, HausoKubrick)

At #38 and coming as quite a surprise is 'Fantasia', not only that this is the first of the Golden Age classics to drop out this early, but honestly I thought that this would have been a lot higher, and if you look at other Disney classics countdowns, then normally this would be in the top 10. But obviously this isn't quite to Buzzjack's taste and I can see why in a way as it is very polarizing with no real plot or story and no dialogue, this is more about visuals and combining classical music with animation and while they do mix together well, it is more of an acquired taste and not for everybody I know, it's more for grown ups than the younger generation I'd say, and it is a beautiful and wonderful experience I must say and even at the time of release this wasn't loved, but through re-releases and re-evaluation, it does stand as a Disney classic, and was something Walt Disney really wanted to make himself and enjoy and represents his vision and innovation.




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37. Basil The Great Mouse Detective // Avg. 6.727

Highest Scores: 9.5: (Regina), Lowest Scores; 2: (HausofKubrick)

At #37 and the last of this selection is 'Basil The Great Mouse Detective', another one that's often overlooked because it came just after the flop of 'The Black Cauldron' and just before the Disney Renaissance, but it's definitely worth a watch and while it may not be one of the best it's still really good, as it has all the right ingredients with an engaging storyline, great characters and I especially liked the idea of a Sherlock Holmes character of Basil being a mouse which was pretty inventive and interesting, and then we also have the brilliant villain Professor Ratigan voiced by the legendary Vincent Price who you can tell was loving every minute of voicing this character, he was just amazing. Not just that but the movie itself is just funny and captivating, with some really tense moments, like the clock tower scene which was just riveting and keeps you on the edge of your seat the entire time.

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Nala/Piglet/Beast/Cinderella/Mickey/Snow White/Judy Hopps/Vanellope/Olaf/Alice etc are all inctedible :wub:

 

Love The Three Caballeros and Home Of The Range of the films out so far, the latter is a massive guilt pleasure :heart: Also adore Brother Bear!

 

Wish Meet The Robinsons was five places lower :puke2:

Fantasia below the Black Cauldron?! Oh dear no, the former's a real classic (despite the slightly racist/sexist undertones that come through when watching it these days) and the animation and musical sequences are still absolute class and haven't really been equalled.

 

The Black Cauldron was amongst the weakest of Disney easily but it wasn't AWFUL and was ambitious, it just had very unlikable characters, what WAS awful was Chicken Little, very glad to see that so low down.

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I adore The Black Cauldron and don't understand the hate. The Character development was a bit meh but overall the story was strong.

Gutted Chicken Little is out allready and so many characters I love Jasmine, Iago, Ariel etc so many I love tbh :heart:

 

 

I remember the Black Cauldron being out in the cinema - it looked fantastic due to Don Bluth on art duties and Gurgi was a cute character, but it just wasn't exciting. I've tried to watch it twice since and have never managed to get to the end.

 

I'm going to hold my tongue about the way BJers vote on Disney films - we've been through it at least twice before, and I didn't vote this time. I'm fully expecting my favourite Pinocchio to be way down the list.

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=12th Anna (Frozen) = 25 Points

In joint 12th place and just finishing outside the top 10 along with the character below is Anna one of the main leads from 'Frozen', making her the 2nd most popular character from that movie here. Full of charm and enthusiasm, as well as loosely based on Gerda, from the original Hans Christian Anderson tale 'The Snow Queen', and so a lot of dedication and determination was put into her and it simply paid off, as Anna is definitely someone to root for on her quest and the relationship between her and Elsa was very important to the movie, and voiced by the lovely Kristen Bell with such pose and excellence, and wow she can really sing.



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=12th Baloo (The Jungle Book) = 25 Points

And again just outside the top 10 along with 'Anna' is the loveable Baloo the bear from Disney's classic 'The Jungle Book', gaining points from 3 of the 6 voters who took part in this character rate. Laid back and far from responsibility, as well as becoming Mowgli's mentor and friend, Baloo is just someone who can always make you smile with his warm and friendly nature, but can be brave and fearless when faced with danger and who can forget that awesome classic tune 'The Bare Necessities' in which he sings, which everybody must know by now, and if you don't then you've been living under a rock for the past couple of decades.



Now there are just 10 characters left to come in this countdown and they are =


Bambi
Belle
Cruella De-Vil
Elsa
Maleficent
Mulan
Pocahontas
Simba
Ursula
Zazu


Any thoughts, any guesses.
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Fantasia below the Black Cauldron?! Oh dear no, the former's a real classic (despite the slightly racist/sexist undertones that come through when watching it these days) and the animation and musical sequences are still absolute class and haven't really been equalled.

 

The Black Cauldron was amongst the weakest of Disney easily but it wasn't AWFUL and was ambitious, it just had very unlikable characters, what WAS awful was Chicken Little, very glad to see that so low down.

 

Actually 'Fantasia' is at #38 above 'The Black Cauldron' which is at #39.

 

Actually 'Fantasia' is at #38 above 'The Black Cauldron' which is at #39.

 

 

Oh I got confused with that too, because the order they're ranked. Fantasia is still a little low for my liking.

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36. Bolt // Avg. 6.733

Highest Scores: 9.5: (Harry Ezra), Lowest Scores: 3: (Regina, HausofKubrick)

At #36 is 'Bolt' which did score a fair amount of high scores, despite not gaining any 10's, instead managing a 9.5 and multiple 8's, which isn't bad, but did get some middling and lower scores that prevented it from gaining a higher average or position. The movie itself isn't bad, at the start you think it's gonna be another Sci-Fi adventure but the twist is that Bolt himself only thinks he's a superhero and doesn't realize that he's the star of a TV show, alongside his owner Penny. It's a pretty unique idea that does inspire a lot of humour, and also while there may be no real villain, just Bolt escaping into the real world and trying to find Penny, and their bond is one of the movie's highlights and plus along his journey he does get the usual Disney sidekicks Mittens an alley cat and Rhino the hamster, whose just really funny. The computer animation is definitely a lot better than they're previous outings (Chicken Little & Meet The Robinsons), and seems much more perfected, as well as being a much better film than those 2 as well, and after this Disney started getting back on their feet and started making classics again, starting a 2nd renaissance.




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35. The Rescuers // Avg. 6.8

Highest Scores: 9: (bartsimpson), Lowest Scores: 3: (HausofKubrick)

At #35 we have 'The Rescuers' which was released during the Bronze (or Dark Age) of Disney films, and out of the 8 movies released during that era this was the most successful critically and financially. A likeable enough movie with it's excellent characters, mainly the duo of Bernard and Miss Bianca, 2 little mice from The Rescue Aid Society who travel the world to rescue a little orphan girl named Penny. Along with memorable characters such as albatross pilot Orville and the wonderfully over the top villain Madame Medusa (who was originally intended to be Cruella De-Vil), but instead became an original character. The movie does do a decent job of blending action, humour and heart together, along with a satisfying ending. On the whole it is enjoyable, but can be almost quite forgettable, but still good enough.



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34. Winnie The Pooh (2011) // Avg. 7

Highest Scores: 10: (Jimmy Jam), Lowest Scores: 2: (HausofKubrick)

At #34 we have the 2nd Disney 'Winnie The Pooh' movie and the first of the 2nd Renaissance movies to drop here, coming after 'Tangled' and just before 'Wreck It Ralph', this kinda got lost inbetween and often forgotten, even on this rate it didn't gain that many scores, but the scores it did get were mainly positive apart from the single low score of 2. Coming 34 years after the original 'Winnie The Pooh' movie, which seems strange that they waited this long and really it's still more of the same, apart from the much improved animation which does look a lot better with a brighter colour scheme and more fluid movements, and yes I know this movie is designed to feel more like a throwback and the characters all remain the same as ever and if you like Winnie The Pooh and his friends, then you'll like this.




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Oh I got confused with that too, because the order they're ranked. Fantasia is still a little low for my liking.

 

 

I see what you mean about the order, looking at it now it does look confusing, so I've edited them all now, so hopefully they look a lot more clearer.

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33. The Rescuers Down Under // Avg. 7

Highest Scores: 9: (Joe, SamJudd, Beatrix Kiddo), Lowest Scores: 1: (HausofKubrick)

At #33 is 'The Rescuers Down Under', the sequel to the 1977 original which bowed out 2 places below this. Honestly I'm glad that this one finished higher, but it is the first of the Disney Renaissance to drop out, wedged between 'The Little Mermaid' & 'Beauty and the Beast', this is sadly, the most forgotten of that era, despite being a million times better than it's predecessor in every possible way, such as stronger animation, more developed characters, and a much better adventure storyline, I mean just watch that opening with Cody and the Eagle, it's just as breathtaking as any of the Disney classics from that era. Okay it's probably not better remembered because of the time it came out and compared to some of those classics, this does fall a little short, but honestly it's still a brilliant movie and should be given another chance.




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32. The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh // Avg. 7.107

Highest Scores: 10: (Jimmy Jam), Lowest Scores: 1: (HausofKubrick)

At #32 is the last of the Disney sequels to feature here 'The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh' which was the first Disney movie to feature this character. A nice little sweet movie that consists of 3 short stories stitched together with added material to help bridge the gaps. Anyone who grew up Winnie The Pooh and his friends Piglet and Eeyore, as well as Christopher Robin whose imagination created them all, and plus this was where we got introduced to the infamous Tigger who quickly becomes a staple of this world. Anyone who grew up with these characters will definitely get that nostalgia factor here and it does bring back those sweet memories of your childhood.




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31. Hercules // Avg. 7.25

Highest Scores: 11: (Qween), 10: (Regina), Lowest Scores: 3: (Kylie Jackson)

Just outside the top 30 we lose another Renaissance era film and this time it's 'Hercules' . There have been many adaptations of this Greek Myth through the years, so it was no surprise that Disney decided to take a stab at it and okay it's not truly faithful (are any Disney adaptations), but it is an interesting one and mixing in Motown/Gospel into the soundtrack was a bit strange but it is quite fun, and the movie itself is a mixed bag and there is a lot to like and personally I found Hercules himself an interesting character, and Hades is just a hoot with his quick wit, then there's Megara who isn't the typical Disney Princess and is more snarky and quite layered. The animation in this isn't Disney's strongest however, personally find it a bit too cartoony and the CGI looks awkward and dated now, but we do get intense action scenes and some decent comedy, even if some of it do fall a bit flat. This did come towards the end of the decade where the later ones during this decade didn't live up to the standards to the earlier ones.







Well, it's right that the original Winnie the Pooh stories are above the 21st century ones, but what both are doing below Hercules is anybody's guess.
'The Rescuers Down Under', the sequel to the 1977 original which bowed out 2 places below this. Honestly I'm glad that this one finished higher, but it is the first of the Disney Renaissance to drop out, wedged between 'The Little Mermaid' & 'Beauty and the Beast', this is sadly, the most forgotten of that era, despite being a million times better than it's predecessor in every possible way, such as stronger animation, more developed characters, and a much better adventure storyline, I mean just watch that opening with Cody and the Eagle, it's just as breathtaking as any of the Disney classics from that era.

 

 

100% agree with this. I honestly feel like it's the most underrated of everything in the rate, people seem more familiar with the original, but the second really is such a step up. And it was a huge talking point film at the time because it was one of the first (if not the first) animated feature film to experiment with computer graphics, which is why it was seen as breathtaking at the time, I remember my Dad raving about it at the time after having seen it in the cinema upon its release. Joanna is amazing too.

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30. Pinocchio // Avg. 7.382



Highest Scores: 11: (Beatrix Kiddo), 10: (SamJudd, Ultraviolence1989)

Lowest Scores: -1: (Regina)


Box Office Gross: $84.2 Million
Rotten Tomatoes Score: 100%



Right then I know I have been posting these results in groups, and up until we get down to the top 25, I will, it's just for this one I thought that it deserves it's own page. So here goes at #30 we have 'Pinocchio', which honestly deserves much, much higher than this and would rank in my personal top 10. It's hard to believe that this is 76 years old now and was only Walt Disney's 2nd feature length animated feature following 'Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs", which is even more impressive and just looks so timeless, with it's extensive attention to detail, flawless animation blended in with such live and vibrant colours. Despite being geared towards children, this doe feature adult themes and if anything it's a cautionary tale, like firstly telling a lie and then your nose growing is the least of Pinocchio's problems, especially on his journey which includes getting locked in a cage, transforming into a donkey and getting swallowed by a whale. All this is showed to us with frightening imagery and doesn't pull any punches, it's challenging and sometimes frightening, but that's what life is. The journey that Pinocchio goes through is incredible and he does learn some life lessons along the way, along with his trusty conscience Jiminy Cricket. Definitely one of the most epic films in the Disney canon, with such hard work and dedication put into it, you can tell that Walt Disney himself put his heart into this and it did pay off into such a wonderful masterpiece that's almost flawless, I know some people gets annoyed with the parts of the villain's and Pleasure Island not getting resolved, and what did happen to all those other boys who got turned into donkeys, but honestly in my opinion I would have liked to see a resolve for those situations, but that's kinda realistic of life in a way, that not every loose gets tied up and sometimes the bad guys do get away with it. Then there's the infamous song 'When You Wish Upon A Star', which has become a staple of the Disney brand ever since and so rightfully so as it's so magical and beautiful. The 100 rating on Rotten Tomatoes is spot on in my opinion as everything in this movie down to the story, the animation and the wonderful characters all do leave a lasting impression.




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Only on Buzzjack could there be TWENTY NINE (TWENTY NINE!) Disney films considered better than Pinocchio.

 

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For me it's no.1 easily. Sam, you're quite right to give it it's own posting - it should have been top 5 at the very least.

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29. The Emperor's New Groove // Avg. 7.406

Highest Scores: 10: (SamJudd, Aaron TM), Lowest Scores: 3: (HausofKubrick)

Box Office Gross: $169,327,867 Rotten Tomatoes Score: 85%

At #29 is 'The Emperor's New Groove', seriously Buzzjack you ranked this higher than 'Pinocchio', come on. But anyway this is still a really good movie, and probably one of Disney's better ones from the 2000's. First of all this was conceived as a completely different movie to be titled 'Kingdom Of The Sun', which was gonna be an epic musical, with a score by Sting, but for whatever reasons that didn't happen and instead we get a buddy comedy about a spoiled Emperor turned into a llama and has to travel back to his kingdom with the help of peasant Pacha, and watching their relationship develop as the story proceeds was very entertaining, but of course it's the villain's who clearly steals the show here, with Yzma and her henchman Kronk who clearly gets most of the laughs and are definitely the standouts here, voice by the ever great Eartha Kitt and Patrick Warburton, they steal every scene their in and their parts were the best of the entire movie. Normally I'm not a fan of David Spade and personally find his movies awful, but here voicing the main character, he's very funny and does a decent job as does the always great John Goodman. This is one of those rare children's movies that are also funny for adults as well and despite not tackling any new ground, the characters and jokes are enough to keep you entertained throughout.







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28. Robin Hood // Avg. 7.529

Highest Scores: 10: (Harry Ezra, Ultraviolence1989), Lowest Scores: 5: (Cameron, Beatrix Kiddo, Mike Sugafan)

Box Office Gross: $32,056,467 Rotten Tomatoes Score: 50%

At #28 is 'Robin Hood' which in recent years is probably more famous for recycling animated scenes from other Disney classics (Snow White, The Jungle Book & The Aristocats), I know the budget was really tight, and on the whole the animation itself still looks pretty decent and honestly does it affect your enjoyment of the film itself, well yes and no for that one. I find this one more of a mixed bag, however the stuff that does work in this, works well and it is a decent adaptation of the old Robin Hood stories, which have been made into movies and TV countless times, and the fact that they use all animals for the parts was really rather interesting and a smart move, and the songs are as catchy as ever, but I do find that this film is probably more enjoyable for kids more than anything, and while we do get some fun slapstick, some of it works some of it doesn't, for instance that extended football scene goes on for way too long and kinda feels out of place. However I did like the characters and they do make this whole thing work, like Prince John was just hilarious and his wacky side-kick Sir Hiss was a hoot (even though he was a recycled version of Kaa from Jungle Book), as well as Little John (whose basically same as Baloo the bear and even voiced by the same actor). Also the running time was way too short and the ending felt really rushed, for instance what happened to Maid Marion during the 3rd act, she seems to just disappear until the very end. In all this is still an okay film, not quite one of Disney's finest, but considering the problems they had, this could have been a hell of a lot worse, so it's not one of the best, nor it isn't one of the worst either, just somewhere in the middle.
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27. Pocahontas // Avg. 7.676

Highest Scores: 11: (Alex), 10: (Jimmy Jam, Aaron TM), Lowest Scores: 5: (Chez Wombat, Qween, Kylie Jackson)

Box Office Gross: $347,100,000 Rotten Tomatoes Score: 56%

At #27 is 'Pocahontas', released during the Disney Renaissance era and critically wasn't as well received as the classics that came before it, and some might say that it started a downward spiral of quality as the later Disney films from the 2nd half of the era, wasn't as great as the ones from the first half. My opinion on this is that I don't find this all that great to be honest, yes there are some good points in this, like for instance it is beautiful with some of decades best animation and the music score is rather wonderful with the standout song being 'Colours Of The Wind' which is a standout moment with it's mixtures of beautiful colours and wonderful imagery. The story is overly simplistic and rather weak, and I know this has been criticized for being insensitive to Native Americans with it's questionable stereotypes. But even beyond that the movie itself just feels rather lifeless and while 'Pocahontas' herself is a decent heroine, everything and everybody else around her just disappoints. I know coming out after 'The Lion King', was a tough act to follow, but personally I find this my least of era.







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26. Peter Pan // Avg. 7.705

Highest Scores: 11: (SamJudd), 9.5/9: (Jimmy Jam, Cameron, Alex, Harry Ezra, Ultraviolence1989, bartsimpson, Kylie Jackson), Lowest Scores; 4:(Chez Wombat)

Box Office Gross: $87,400,000 Rotten Tomatoes Score: 76%

At #26 is one of my personal favourite Disney movies 'Peter Pan', released during the Silver Age, and it still stands as one of Disney's iconic classics and was something Walt Disney himself had wanted to make much sooner, in fact if you watch 'Pinocchio' again, you can see in the background at the beginning a book of this and 'Alice In Wonderland', but due to the war happening and struggling to get the rights to the book, but finally after the success of 'Cinderella', he was allowed to make these classics again and what can I say, it's a truly wonderful experience. It's a simple story of Peter Pan taking Wendy and her brother to Neverland and there we get to see a world full of wonder and adventure, and everything is wonderfully animated with rich textures and colours, along with amazing set pieces. It's mixes action and comedy wonderfully and thanks to it's many great characters, such as the biggest Disney icon of them all 'Tinkerbell' and then there's the hilarious 'Captain Hook' the main villain of the piece and his battles with Pan and the crocodile are simply a delight. Okay there some are some flaws like that Indian song 'How To Make A Red Men Red' which yes it is really racist, but that's due to the time it came out, and that doesn't spoil it for me. So in all it's just a fun adventure movie that's a good time all round.

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