Not her ignoring Umi's post, but instead stays focussing on the terminology

Austerity sucks but it's not some sort of punishment devised by the EU, it's just the economic policy that was viewed as optimal for recovery in your country. I lived through austerity in Ireland and yes, it sucked (because living in a crashing economy sucks), but that doesn't mean all it did was harm, or that it was intended to.

 

At worst the austerity measures are economic policies that you disagreed with. They were designed solely to ensure Portugal's economy stabilised because the EU cares more about the stability of the Eurozone right now than anything else. There's no sadism here, and given the enforced austerity came in exchange for billions of euros I really don't think you should be complaining. I dread to imagine where either Portugal or Ireland would be now if it weren't for the ECB/IMF bailouts.

 

Ireland and Portugal's situations were very different, from the type of bailout, to the origins of the bailout, to the austerity measures applied. Again, only living here with the austerity measures we have had to endure all these years would you be able to see our side. Even this year the EU is threatening with more sanctions because of the deficit in 2015 being above 3%, even when other countries have higher ones, but because they're not "irrelevant like Portugal", words you used which just reinforces the point I have of the way the EU sees us, they get a free pass. I mean its too late for us to ever have our autonomy back, but the UK is a lot more powerful so I think you'll be fine. But yes, I do wish we never joined in the first place, but the damage has been done.

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Euphorique

Well I stick by the terminology I used, after checking out the english dictionary.

terrorize

[ter-uh-rahyz]

2.

to dominate or coerce by intimidation.

Let's accept that the Portuguese definition of terrorism covers a broader range of actions than the general use of the word in British English. Intimidation would be a far better word for what you are referring to.

How is Portugal irrelevant?

 

Is is. But then, his words only reflect the way the EU sees us, he just proved my point by saying that. And we're not the only ones, but there are definitely different measures applied to different countries, depending on how "relevant" you are. Surely that was not the EU's goals when it first started after a war torn Europe with the promise to unify everyone, but its where we are now.

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Euphorique

You can terrorize your neighbors by blasting the music very loud at night. However, that isn't terrorism. I think that clears this misunderstanding x

Like everyone else, I am absolutely devastated. The United Kingdom is falling apart, all because people that would struggle to read Spot the frigging Dog voted for us to leave. It's heartbreaking. Young people are the most affected by this, and I fully support Scotland independence now. It's heartbreaking to see the country I love fall apart.

 

Thankfully, over 16 million people voted for us to remain and I'm proud that my city voted to remain in the EU. Instead of threatening to love England though, we need to group together and fight for our future. Hopefully there will be some good protests over the weekend. And some good 'f*** OFF UKIP' chants.

Well its impossible to "beat up a country physically", but again, violence is a lot more than that. I do think we have gotten beaten up a lot by austerity measures and ridiculous EU policies, so why not use "violence".

 

I never quite understood this point. Without the EU, how differently would a poor country deal with a huge economical crisis? A lot of governments like to put the blame on the UE for every economical problem but to me it's just a cover up as they would do the exact same thing without the EU.

I'm 100% astounded at the huge negative reactions that this referendum result is garnering. Honestly, this could be so good for our country - we finally have a democracy where our say can count for something again as opposed to adhering to the policies and infrastructure of the EU.

This was a farce.

 

I support the infependence of Scotland Wales and the absorption og Northern Ireland now. The spot the dog strugglers should not be ablr to drag them out if the EU into poverty.

I'm 100% astounded at the huge negative reactions that this referendum result is garnering. Honestly, this could be so good for our country - we finally have a democracy where our say can count for something again as opposed to adhering to the policies and infrastructure of the EU.

 

Dumb.

 

The EU is elected. EU officials the Sun loves to complain about are beaurocrats. Should we govern now sans civil servants? Our democracy is an oligarchy with power based in the Eton lot and the home counties. Soo yeaaah.

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Virginia's Walls

I'm 100% astounded at the huge negative reactions that this referendum result is garnering. Honestly, this could be so good for our country - we finally have a democracy where our say can count for something again as opposed to adhering to the policies and infrastructure of the EU.

 

Our say never stopped counting for something. The EU didn't elect any government in the UK against the wishes of the people of the UK. Most businesses will still need to meet the vast majority of those regulations in order to trade with the EU and most of that infrastructure is there as a force for good, not as some kind of malevolent entity.

 

As for policy, almost everything policy related is decided by the government elected by the people of the UK. So if you don't like that, that's an entirely separate issue.

i'm screaming at boris johnson's father on the news in his remain tshirt

 

 

Don't they look alike? Don't think I've seen him ever before! Thought from across the room it was actually Boris.

I'm 100% astounded at the huge negative reactions that this referendum result is garnering. Honestly, this could be so good for our country - we finally have a democracy where our say can count for something again as opposed to adhering to the policies and infrastructure of the EU.

 

 

..And got Cameron out too. At least the result has done that. If it had been Remain he'd have stayed for sure.

I just can't believe people are so angry here at the result. It's not like it on DS, a much bigger forum. Come on, life's not going to suddenly change. The world's still spinning. I wouldn't have been so angry if Remain had won. Maybe because I expected it.

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Common Sense

Remain wouldn't have been a tacit vote in support of insular, bigoted, xenophobic nationalist BULLSHIT, though. People's vitriol is utterly warranted and deserved given the magnitude of the decision.

I never quite understood this point. Without the EU, how differently would a poor country deal with a huge economical crisis? A lot of governments like to put the blame on the UE for every economical problem but to me it's just a cover up as they would do the exact same thing without the EU.

 

It would be us dealing with our own shit, and not other countries deciding how we should act, and basically forcing us to do exactly as they want, when they want, how they want. Our own government we can change if they decide to bullshit us, the EU we cant cause we're stuck with them.

Its funny how the EU leaders are already saying the EU needs to change, maybe this is their wakeup call, but somehow I doubt. If it does eventually change its policies, I'm open to change my mind about the organization, right now, this is how I feel.

I just can't believe people are so angry here at the result. It's not like it on DS, a much bigger forum. Come on, life's not going to suddenly change. The world's still spinning. I wouldn't have been so angry if Remain had won. Maybe because I expected it.

 

DS is full of braindead fools.

I wouldn't have been so angry if Remain had won.

 

See, I got the distinct impression that both yourself and Vidcapper would have been extremely annoyed if Remain had won. But then again, that's just the aura you both give off.

DS is full of braindead fools.

 

 

You're right. Some right nutters on there. I can only read though as am perma-banned there and haven't bothered to re-register yet.

So those of you that wanted to take back control of borders. Now there will be more borders. More division.

 

Our border is the *sea*

 

 

she can just take over the UK

 

I'd rather have even BoJo then 'wee Jimmy Krankie'!

 

 

Well they are part of the EU right now, so I don't see how the Scots, once they are free from the English, can't immediately join the EU

 

They could immediately *apply* if/when they gain independence, but there would need to be a period where they could show how well they could run their own economy, before they could be formally admitted.

 

Who knew vicrapper had a portuguese cousin?

 

Not me. :P