June 25, 20169 yr None. Ch4 News spoke to an old guy in my home town of Barnsley (live down in East London now) which voted 71-29 out. He said "It's all about the immigrants" and I agree with that. I never considered anything else. What an ignorant attitude to take. Why on earth would you ignore the economic impact it would have on our country, amongst other important issues. No matter how strongly you feel about an issue, you have to look at ALL the consequences. Your attitude and the attitude amongst many voters has now put many jobs at risk and it will impact people like myself, who are just starting out in the working world. Anyway, the Leave campaign are wishing to continue with free movement of goods but free movement of workers has to coincide with that and so you've heavily risked our future for something that is unlikely to be as affected as you believe. The attitude of voters has actually astounded me. It shows that this sort of decision should never have been left to the public as people are not voting with all the relevant information and, even if they had it, they chose to ignore it.
June 25, 20169 yr I'd like to offer a different perspective. 40 years ago, we were invited to endorse our membership of what we assured would just be a *trading bloc*. Now though, with 40 years more experience of its true purpose - to create a 'united states of Europe' by stealth, is it any wonder we applied the 'one bitten, twice shy' principle! Back in the UK now, godhelpme. That's not a different perspective, you're just parroting the same phrase. WE joined the union and decided to stick with it politically. OUR politicians made those choices. THe scummy press had a campaign going for a decade against it spreading lies and myths waiting for a big enough shock to cash in on ill will. The banking crisis (a British-created disaster) was the one that did. Our gift to the world. You were a child then. you had no say. If the people who were around in 1973 were still around, which they ain't, they would most likely still support Winston Churchill's ideal of a WAR-FREE PEACEFUL SUCCESSFUL EUROPE. Compared to 1945, 1955, 1965, 1975, 1985 that is still the case. Like all Leavers you are incapable of producing actual facts to support anything other than, I hate immigrants Rule Britannia Everything will be fine. Well, within 24 hours, everything that was predicted to have happened has immediately come true, and all of the denials by Johnson Farage and Gove have been proven to be lies: that's: There will be no stock market crash The pound will be fine The EU will bend over backwards to give us a good trade deal Scotland wont go for independence We can easily negotiate everything in 2 years 350million can go towards the NHS Lies Lies f***ing lies. I repeat. This referendum was ALL about racism, and nothing else. I hope the children appreciate how much their parents and grandparents have helped them and their generation in years to come. Personally, I'd leave home ASAP and never bother visiting the selfish lot of you. MY parents (in their 70's) knew exactly what was at stake and wasn't fooled for a second by the millionaire lying posh twats campaigning in person and in the press. Have a nice life.
June 25, 20169 yr There seems to be some confusion amongst some of the EU immigrants here. One Pole that I know from dog-walking asked me today."What do I do now. Do I have to go home? I have my own successful business here." Told him he won't have to go home at all. Seems to be a lot of misinformation going around. I know things won't change straight away but at least when we're out we'll be able to have a points system for immigration like Australia does. You mean the Australian system that is specifically designed to INCREASE the population? The Australian system that has been designed to attract permanent immigrants rather than doing anything about the short-term immigrants Leave voters keep complaining about?
June 25, 20169 yr ..or the current point system operating in the UK which allows 180000 non-EU immigrants each year. Which the Tories have done nothing to change. That's Johnson and Gove. They have made no suggestions AT ALL that these numbers will decline, they have actually stated that some of the jobs "unfairly" taken up by EU citizens can now be taken up by Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders. No mention of non-white countries of course. That suggests immigration will continue to be 200,000 MINIMUM for the foreseeable future. Only an idiot would believe a word that Farage Gove and Johnson has "promised".
June 25, 20169 yr There were huge falls (mostly opportunistic selling off) when the markets opened on Friday but it rallied to a similar position that it started on last week. Don't get me wrong, I think there will be further falls as the uncertainty prevails but it could hardly be described as the crash that the scaremongering Conservatives predicted. In October 2008 the FTSE collapsed to 3932.1, it currently stands at 6,138.69 Here are the biggest daily falls: 20/10/1987 1801.6 -12.22% 19/10/1987 2052.3 -10.84% 10/10/2008 3932.06 -8.85% 06/10/2008 4589.19 -7.85% 15/10/2008 4079.59 -7.16% 26/10/1987 1684.1 -6.19% 11/09/2001 4745.98 -5.72% 06/11/2008 4272.41 -5.70% 22/10/1987 1833.2 -5.69% 18/01/2008 5578.23 -5.48% 24/06/2016 6,138.69 -3.15%
June 25, 20169 yr Not too concerned about the rich folk speculating their cash to avoid having actual savings. Half of them will have bags more money stashed away in British offshore tax havens. More concerned about the value of the pound, which increases the cost of everything for everyone who uses it, reduces exports, loses jobs, increases foreign holidays cost, and invariably gives everyone less money to spend. On the plus side, foreigners will be able to come over here and pick up some cheap bargains, so I look forward to that pissing off Brexiters. Brexiter should become a new word for the OED: Definition: someone who knows all the facts, but ignores them anyway. A bit like Dougal in Father Ted coming across a big red button that says "Do Not Push" and pushing it because it's there.
June 25, 20169 yr There were huge falls (mostly opportunistic selling off) when the markets opened on Friday but it rallied to a similar position that it started on last week. Don't get me wrong, I think there will be further falls as the uncertainty prevails but it could hardly be described as the crash that the scaremongering Conservatives predicted. In October 2008 the FTSE collapsed to 3932.1, it currently stands at 6,138.69 Here are the biggest daily falls: 20/10/1987 1801.6 -12.22% 19/10/1987 2052.3 -10.84% 10/10/2008 3932.06 -8.85% 06/10/2008 4589.19 -7.85% 15/10/2008 4079.59 -7.16% 26/10/1987 1684.1 -6.19% 11/09/2001 4745.98 -5.72% 06/11/2008 4272.41 -5.70% 22/10/1987 1833.2 -5.69% 18/01/2008 5578.23 -5.48% 24/06/2016 6,138.69 -3.15% I'm surprised that Black Wednesday's not on that list. I know that it was the price of the pound that was most hit, but I thought the FTSE took a right thrashing as well.
June 25, 20169 yr I'm surprised that Black Wednesday's not on that list. I know that it was the price of the pound that was most hit, but I thought the FTSE took a right thrashing as well. Weirdly the FTSE 100 actually climbed 8.3 pts to 2378.30 on 16 September 1992, and rallied massively the following day when the UK exited the European Exchange Rate Mechanism - as you say though the pound fell dramatically (like it did yesterday!)
June 26, 20169 yr Back in the UK now, godhelpme. That's not a different perspective, you're just parroting the same phrase. I'm trying to explain, in a calm & rational way, one of the reasons why people like me voted the way we did. WE joined the union and decided to stick with it politically. OUR politicians made those choices. THe scummy press had a campaign going for a decade against it spreading lies and myths waiting for a big enough shock to cash in on ill will. The banking crisis (a British-created disaster) was the one that did. Our gift to the world.Now who is getting their facts wrong! The 2008 banking crisis was triggered by sub-prime lending in the US, There's nothing Britain could have done to prevent it. You were a child then. you had no say. If the people who were around in 1973 were still around, which they ain't, they would most likely still support Winston Churchill's ideal of a WAR-FREE PEACEFUL SUCCESSFUL EUROPE. Compared to 1945, 1955, 1965, 1975, 1985 that is still the case. Of course I was too young in 1975 to vote, but I *was* old enough to be aware of what was going on. As for peace in Europe - that has been due to NATO, not the EU. Like all Leavers you are incapable of producing actual facts to support anything other than, I hate immigrants Rule Britannia Everything will be fine. Well, within 24 hours, everything that was predicted to have happened has immediately come true, and all of the denials by Johnson Farage and Gove have been proven to be lies: that's: There will be no stock market crash The pound will be fine The EU will bend over backwards to give us a good trade deal Scotland wont go for independence We can easily negotiate everything in 2 years 350million can go towards the NHS Lies Lies f***ing lies. I repeat. This referendum was ALL about racism, and nothing else.I have never said I hate immigrants I have never claimed 'everything will be fine' - my view has always been 'no pain, no gain' Yes, the stock market initally fell, but it has already regained most of those loses No-one claimed the value of the pound wouldn't drop - but it will recover, given time It's far too early to say what sort of withdrawal deal we'll strike with the EU So what if Scotland does choose independance? 2 years is the statutory minimum period The last one was admitted nonsense, but it wasn't only the Leave side making exaggerated claims. Despite Brexit, the stock market actually ended the week *higher*! I hope the children appreciate how much their parents and grandparents have helped them and their generation in years to come. Personally, I'd leave home ASAP and never bother visiting the selfish lot of you. Given your sour grapes attitude, I'm tempted to say 'good riddance' - but I won't sink to your level. Edited June 26, 20169 yr by vidcapper
June 26, 20169 yr What an ignorant attitude to take. Why on earth would you ignore the economic impact it would have on our country, amongst other important issues. No matter how strongly you feel about an issue, you have to look at ALL the consequences. Your attitude and the attitude amongst many voters has now put many jobs at risk and it will impact people like myself, who are just starting out in the working world. Anyway, the Leave campaign are wishing to continue with free movement of goods but free movement of workers has to coincide with that and so you've heavily risked our future for something that is unlikely to be as affected as you believe. The attitude of voters has actually astounded me. It shows that this sort of decision should never have been left to the public as people are not voting with all the relevant information and, even if they had it, they chose to ignore it. That the EU issue hasn't been put to the voters until now, has been at the root of the problem. We've been presented with massive economic, social & political changes without ever consenting to them - the Brexit vote was our only chance in 40 years to express our dissatisfaction with that.
June 26, 20169 yr re: This business of a petition for a 2nd referendum. How high would the Leave margin have to have been before the result have been accepted, however grudgingly, by Remain voters? 3-2? 2-1? 3-1? If not even then, why not? Edited June 26, 20169 yr by vidcapper
June 26, 20169 yr Sunday Post, a pro-Union paper, has a Scottish Independence poll today conducted post-Brexit. 65/35 That's in favour of independence. f***ity bye racists, we're off!
June 26, 20169 yr Sunday Post, a pro-Union paper, has a Scottish Independence poll today conducted post-Brexit. 65/35 That's in favour of independence. f***ity bye racists, we're off! 52/48 from Panelbase.
June 26, 20169 yr I'm trying to explain, in a calm & rational way, one of the reasons why people like me voted the way we did. I read back your explanation and it wasn't really calm and rational. I understand why you voted to leave, but what I see as someone who lives in another country and wasn't involved in this debate, the majority of the leave voters were not voting because of reasons you voted to leave the EU. I have never said I hate immigrants I have never claimed 'everything will be fine' - my view has always been 'no pain, no gain' You don't have to say you don't have to claim anything, a simple behaviour is enough to express opinions. I read a couple of comments from Hungarians who live in the UK. one of them wrote after the results day some of his colleagues were waiting for him at the office with transparents "GET OUT, GO TO YOUR COUNTRY" etc. The populists always try to use the feelings of voters, dissatisfied people are always easier to catch by feeding their hatred towards something, but as soon as populists win, they cannot use this to fulfill the desire of their voters because their answers are never real solutions, or they are only lies, that's why populists are alwyas strong when they are in the opposition but they immediately will lose a lot of voters when they win. Given your sour grapes attitude, I'm tempted to say 'good riddance' - but I won't sink to your level. You've already did sink to a lower level with this sentence by expressing that your vote was the winner vote and everything else is just "sour grape". This is psychology. And anyway why do you think it is so bad that someone is frustrated and angry that his vote lost? You should rather at least try to convince him that he shouldn't be afraid but you did exactly the opposite and that what makes a lot of leave voters ignorant.
June 26, 20169 yr re: This business of a petition for a 2nd referendum. How high would the Leave margin have to have been before the result have been accepted, however grudgingly, by Remain voters? 3-2? 2-1? 3-1? If not even then, why not? Are you worried or why did you bring up this? I'm quite sure there will not be a second referendum and anyway if the leave votes would have lost, I'm sure you would be very frustrated and questioned the results. A couple of weeks ago the populist candidate for the presidentship in Austria attacked on court the results because he lost by a tiny margin against the green candidate. This is democracy. Your attitude is a bit like in the kindergarten: "nananana we won you lost, get over it and shot your mouth!"
June 26, 20169 yr There won't be a 2nd referendum. That isn't how democracy works - there were however a significant number who voted to remain, especially in Scotland, and in London - and this should be respected and taken into consideration when the negotiations are made for the exit from the EU. Article 50 has not been invoked, and even when it does it will take 2 years until the official exit. By resigning and putting a leadership contest into play, Cameron has effectively delayed and ducked out of any committed decision and we may have get to vote in a general election in the way that we wish to redefine our relationship with the EU post exit before talks start. Long way to go yet.. The markets won't like this obviously, but I think it is the sensible option rather than rushing into it.
June 26, 20169 yr There won't be a 2nd referendum. That isn't how democracy works - there were however a significant number who voted to remain, especially in Scotland, and in London - and this should be respected and taken into consideration when the negotiations are made for the exit from the EU. Article 50 has not been invoked, and even when it does it will take 2 years until the official exit. By resigning and putting a leadership contest into play, Cameron has effectively delayed and ducked out of any committed decision and we may have get to vote in a general election in the way that we wish to redefine our relationship with the EU post exit before talks start. Long way to go yet.. The markets won't like this obviously, but I think it is the sensible option rather than rushing into it. I find this a very very bad and unfair move to all the voters. Firstly by delaying this decision he don't want to take responsibility for the result of the referendum this is a very unfair move towards the leave voters. It's unfair towards the remain voters because he let the door a bit open for hope (that there's still chance the UK can stay in the EU?), it is unfair for the EU and the economy because it leaves the market in uncertainty for months. The decision has been made so either resigning immediately or start the preparation of leaving the EU.
June 26, 20169 yr Sunday Post, a pro-Union paper, has a Scottish Independence poll today conducted post-Brexit. 65/35 That's in favour of independence. f***ity bye racists, we're off! Bye. You'll have to apply to join the EU and will have the Euro as a condition of entry. You 'll be after Turkey, so maybe Year 3000. :D
June 26, 20169 yr The decision has been made so either resigning immediately or start the preparation of leaving the EU. If he'd resigned with immediate effect then we'd have Osborne now as Acting PM. No thanks.
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