It's hard to not see this as a cynical ploy for votes on Russia's part

 

Just small reminder with link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monika_Kuszyńska

 

I hope participation in contest already will be happy time for this girl. But still worried about her. Be strong!

Edited March 13, 20178 yr by Inna Selez

Jon Ola Sand has said that it is up to the Ukrainian authorities whether Julia can enter the country for Eurovision.

 

This could get very ugly.

That's a poor stance to take from the EBU, this is a singing competition and any singer that plays by the contest's rules as Julia does should be allowed to enter surely? I doubt Julia is going to be any kind of threat to Ukrainian security.

She's arguably a political choice in and of herself though, given she's a vocal nationalist who's performed in Crimea post-invasion. This is about as close as the EBU surely ever GETS to saying "you know EXACTLY what you're playing at here"?

apparently that's not that type of hype we want and expect about Eurovision.

Jeez, I thought the "I know we just invaded another country and are persecuting gays but omg booing some teenage girls is so mean" strategy was cynically motivated but this is so crystal clear it's almost genius.

 

In fact I'd wager that they probably want to get kicked out so they have that as the marketing but don't need to bother putting the work in/probably can get away without paying a fine.

That's a poor stance to take from the EBU, this is a singing competition and any singer that plays by the contest's rules as Julia does should be allowed to enter surely? I doubt Julia is going to be any kind of threat to Ukrainian security.

The only other thing they could really advocate for would be moving the contest, though. If Ukraine don't allow her in the country then it's not the EBU's place to force that issue and her selection in the first place is what makes this more than a singing competition so the EBU really can't blame Ukraine for politicising this.

Russia made Georgia back down for 'We Don't Wanna Put In', I personally think it's about time they taste their own medicin. Ban her and make them change their entry (and hopefully they will withdrew)

Russia made Georgia back down for 'We Don't Wanna Put In', I personally think it's about time they taste their own medicin. Ban her and make them change their entry (and hopefully they will withdrew)

 

 

Oh come on! There is 2 different situation.

 

Julia for the win :wub:

 

I don't endorse Russian politics and her voice is kind of weak but I can't get that melody out of my head since yesterday :lol: She reminds me of that Austrian entry from last year (Zoe or something).

Oh come on! There is 2 different situation.

Maybe, but not entirely diffrent. Both situations were done with the sole purpose to provoke and make conflict. Political actions should be punished, with either a fine or a ban.

 

In this case I think the EBU should ask Russia to change their artist to avoid political situations with the Ukrainians, like the EBU asked the Georgians to change their entry in 2009. If they don't want to, they should withdrew, just like Georgia ended up doing.

Thing is, the Georgian entry broke the Eurovision rules while this crapfest of a song didn't. So two completely different situations. Therefore, on what grounds will they ask Russia to change the entry?

Thing is, the Georgian entry broke the Eurovision rules while this crapfest of a song didn't. So two completely different situations. Therefore, on what grounds will they ask Russia to change the entry?

I know, two very diffrent situations done with the same intention! One broke the rules, the other didn't and that's not fair. Therefore the EBU should ask Russia to change artist to avoid problems with Ukrainian law.

I'm afraid the 'that's not fair!1' argument can't stand on its own and isn't reason enough.

 

Yes this is very cynical and they may be using Julia to make people feel sorry for her and therefore avoid boos and stuff but will that change anything on the whole? I don't think so. The situation with the list is a bit iffy but hell when have Russia been transparent and a team player? :lol:

It's the EBU, I think they can do whatever they want. They are after all the producer of this show. If EBU will allow an artist that clearly accept the invasion of Crimea to perform in Eurovision, that will make them look like they accept it aswell.

 

When thst's said, Julia will have problems entering Ukraine anyway with the ban list.

It's the EBU, I think they can do whatever they want. They are after all the producer of this show. If EBU will allow an artist that clearly accept the invasion of Crimea to perform in Eurovision, that will make them look like they accept it aswell.

 

When thst's said, Julia will have problems entering Ukraine anyway with the ban list.

 

 

Ban list in 21 century? She is just a singer! Where is european tolerance and freedom?

Where is european tolerance and freedom?

Oh hello, it's Double Standards calling. :rolleyes:

Btw I can understand the situation with "breaking some Ukrainian laws" but come on - what laws are you talkin about when your country is so unstable? Which areas do you pay attention for when some shit's going on inside?

This controversy should end up ASAP.

Ban list in 21 century? She is just a singer! Where is european tolerance and freedom?

Singers and artists have an huge influence on people, so she isn't just a singer. And until she publicly take a distance from the invasion of Crimea, she shouldn't be a part of a contest that is ment to unite Europeans.

 

Russia is the biggest threat to European tolerance and freedom.

All I am saying is that she isn't singing about how good it is Crimea is now part of Russia once again. I am sure at least SOME artists participating this year have publicly stated their stance on some controversial political issue. It's got nothing to do with Eurovision.

All I am saying is that she isn't singing about how good it is Crimea is now part of Russia once again. I am sure at least SOME artists participating this year have publicly stated their stance on some controversial political issue. It's got nothing to do with Eurovision.

 

True! But I guess the problem is that she positioned herself on a controversial issue concerning the invasion of the hosting country :lol:

Then again, the song has nothing to do with it, but I feel like the problem is more about Ukranian authorities not accepting her to get into the country, it's not a matter of the Eurovision council banning her song whatsoever. That's two different subjects.