I will confess that "Going Under" is probably one of the few songs from "Fallen" that I can listen to and relate to instead of thinking "Cliched Teen angst"; "Everybody's Fool" and one or two others as well...

 

You have to understand I've been listening to this sort of 'tortured, angst-ridden' type stuff since I was about 14.... :lol: When it's done well (Ian Curtis, Morrissey, Thom Yorke, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, Robert Smith, Maynard James Keenan, Hole, Smashing Pumpkins, etc..) the effect is both beautiful and spectacular, but when it's done badly (ie, almost every single Nu Metal and "Emo" band....) it is pitiful, dire and pathetic... When I first heard Ev circa "Origin" they were, for my mind, doing the former, with "Fallen" it slid quite horribly into the latter (mainly, I feel, because of Ben Moody's commercial, radio-friendly unit shifter instincts..) and I absolutely detested them for years because for my mind they were faking it just to sell records...

 

When I first heard 'The Open Door', I finally said "yes, this is a band that I can proudly put alongside my Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails CDs..."

I love some of the names you mentioned. Looking back, Fallen had some cheesy parts ("My last breath") and ia lot of songs sounded the same, but the lyrics are still good.

 

I meant to say "compare Going Under to Sweet Sacrifice" because they're from the same "Strong" position, yet GU is so much better - so it's not that I don't want Amy to grow with her music. Do you think Sweet Sacrifice/Weight Of The World/Lacrymosa/Call Me When You're Sober are any good lyrically? They're so specific and out there. Barely literal at all.

 

Now change those tracks with the lyrics of Going Under and Everybody's Fool. Wouldn't the album be perfect?

 

 

I love some of the names you mentioned. Looking back, Fallen had some cheesy parts ("My last breath") and ia lot of songs sounded the same, but the lyrics are still good.

 

I meant to say "compare Going Under to Sweet Sacrifice" because they're from the same "Strong" position, yet GU is so much better - so it's not that I don't want Amy to grow with her music. Do you think Sweet Sacrifice/Weight Of The World/Lacrymosa/Call Me When You're Sober are any good lyrically? They're so specific and out there. Barely literal at all.

 

Now change those tracks with the lyrics of Going Under and Everybody's Fool. Wouldn't the album be perfect?

 

I've never argued in favour of CMWYS, I think it's a pretty weak link to the album... Replace that with "Going Under" for sure.... :lol: