If you re-read my post, you should notice that I was defending the electoral system, not the man.

 

your implication with the unrelated Green Day comment (about an idiot) being a flop was that you were happy about that and were gloating that a reasonable protest that hurts no-one was in some way a failure. Cue big floaty baby balloon, because thats how reasonable people protest. Unreasonable people corruptly try to imprison children, fix legal systems or just plain shoot people who disagree.

 

Yes, we are aware of the system and it's flaws. that's how Trump came to become elected, along with the help of Russians and the Republican Party doing it's best to disenfranchise black voters at every opportunity.

The numbers denied the vote in Michigan and Wisconsin actually reflect the numbers that voted for Obama... The election was stolen. No surprise the Tories are desperate to bring in the same measures here. Though with our postal voting, and students signing up for that more often that not, the results would be cataclysmic if they force it through and we all have to go to the polls. I didn't have ID for years and I bet many are the same.

 

Shame London is too far. I would have joined the protests. So hope they cheer for Hillary. You get to Trump by attacking his fragile dictator ego. Chant Hillary and the tweets that come after will be GLORIOUS

your implication with the unrelated Green Day comment (about an idiot) being a flop was that you were happy about that and were gloating that a reasonable protest that hurts no-one was in some way a failure.

 

Well that, and the fact I've always hated that song. ;)

The numbers denied the vote in Michigan and Wisconsin actually reflect the numbers that voted for Obama... The election was stolen. No surprise the Tories are desperate to bring in the same measures here. Though with our postal voting, and students signing up for that more often that not, the results would be cataclysmic if they force it through and we all have to go to the polls. I didn't have ID for years and I bet many are the same.

 

It's *always* 'the system' with you isn't it. :P

 

Why is it so impossible for you to accept that other people can sincerely hold political beliefs that are the opposite of yours?

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Because the right is full of plutocrats and oligarchs and the landed gentry over here too. They get their way through mass media brainwashing, pushing for plutocracy and helping only the rich. If people really knew what was going on, they would not be right wing. Weeell except the racists and fascists of course.

Soo Bozo the Trump, not to be confused with Bojo the Boris, is selling access to airforce 1 to members of Mar A Lago. Wow.

and meanwhile he's trying to destroy NATO and insinuate that a woman who had to live under the political systems of Russia most of her life is in some way under the control of Russia when it is actually him diverting attention from his meeting with his boss later this week.

For a man in the pockets of Putin, you think he wouldn't say anythin!

 

Those in fascist glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Just seen the video of Merkle and Trump ignoring each other and I couldn’t be more cringed out! :lol:

Because the right is full of plutocrats and oligarchs and the landed gentry over here too. They get their way through mass media brainwashing, pushing for plutocracy and helping only the rich. If people really knew what was going on, they would not be right wing. Weeell except the racists and fascists of course.

 

Or possibly because history has proven that left-wing governments do not offer what they promise? People with aspirations find them crushed beneath the weight of overbearing bureaucracies that try to make everyone the same, despite that that runs against the whole of human experience.

Or possibly because history has proven that left-wing governments do not offer what they promise? People with aspirations find them crushed beneath the weight of overbearing bureaucracies that try to make everyone the same, despite that that runs against the whole of human experience.

 

Talk about biased. It's the Right wing that try to keep everyone the same and in their same little servile niche. The left-wing is for for variety and tolerance - in case you hadnt noticed it wasnt Tories that brought in legislation to protect those who are different from those who want everyone to be the same as them. Largely white and male. Or that right-wing governments equally dont deliver on what they promise - err like this one which has retracted all of it's promises in the space of a year. Aspirations can only be achieved if you introduce legislation to protect the poor from the power of the rich.

 

Your badly-thought-out biased statements take seconds to demolish, I mean honestly, sometimes you clearly just spout bollocks for the sake of trying to goad people.....

Or possibly because history has proven that left-wing governments do not offer what they promise? People with aspirations find them crushed beneath the weight of overbearing bureaucracies that try to make everyone the same, despite that that runs against the whole of human experience.

 

You mean ... equality and progression? :S

 

The Tories have put two men in charge of the NHS successively who want to replace it with a US corporate model. This latest one is backed, see bribed, by a millionaire's think tank that is pushing for it REGULARLY. But English elitist cronyism means it is not reported on.

 

Talk about biased. It's the Right wing that try to keep everyone the same and in their same little servile niche.

 

Now you're sounding just like Queef. :rolleyes:

 

The left-wing is for for variety and tolerance - in case you hadnt noticed it wasnt Tories that brought in legislation to protect those who are different from those who want everyone to be the same as them. Largely white and male. Or that right-wing governments equally dont deliver on what they promise - err like this one which has retracted all of it's promises in the space of a year. Aspirations can only be achieved if you introduce legislation to protect the poor from the power of the rich.

 

If the Left is so wonderful, then why do their economies generally perform worse than those in the West : USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala? Why do they put up walls to keep people *in*?

Now you're sounding just like Queef. :rolleyes:

If the Left is so wonderful, then why do their economies generally perform worse than those in the West : USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala? Why do they put up walls to keep people *in*?

 

Those aren't left. You're confusing communism (largely discredited and failed) with socialism (see: any country with socialist policies like the ooh useless NHS, pensions, free education, and so on.

 

Stop talking if you can't say something useful.

Trump comes out as a Hard Brexit supporter, slags off T. May, and threatens to leave NATO in January.

 

In the paraphrased words of Farage The Fascist, his bestie mate, when a previous President happened to make a very short statement about Brexit: Piss off and mind your own business. Bet May is regretting inviting him now. Wonder how the Queen feels about Trumpets claims that he could have easily shagged her late- ex-daughter-in-law.

 

I see Boy Leftie Owen has been protesting the the Orange blob, cheering us all up with his happy smiling face on the screen. Presumably we can look forward to sharp words against Brexit, in favour of NATO, slagging off Russia and it's invasive undemocratic war on democracy and murderous regime, and against trade wars and tax barriers just to underline how very different they are in their opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

Those aren't left. You're confusing communism (largely discredited and failed) with socialism (see: any country with socialist policies like the ooh useless NHS, pensions, free education, and so on.

 

Stop talking if you can't say something useful.

 

You are not going to shut me up from saying what I believe in!

 

The difference between communism & socialism is just a matter of degree - the point is, neither are sustainable in the long-term, at least not in the unfettered state, as they run counter to the individualism that is essential to humanities continued advancement.

You are not going to shut me up from saying what I believe in!

 

The difference between communism & socialism is just a matter of degree - the point is, neither are sustainable in the long-term, at least not in the unfettered state, as they run counter to the individualism that is essential to humanities continued advancement.

 

If you express an opinion I have the right to tell you it's not factually correct. Thought you would be used to that by now, given you endlessly express opinions and rarely support it with facts.

 

THE SKY IS PINK! Oh yes it is, that's my opinion and I have a right to it!! Stop telling me the sky is blue. Fake News! It's my right....!

 

No they don't re-read my post about the NHS, Free education and social benefits. These are not right-wing ideals. These are left-wing/liberal ideals that the right has been forced to accept because if they gave them up they would be annihilated at the ballot box. And so they have been forced to move leftwards in some areas.

 

Frinstance, around 135million has been wasted on ludicrous free schools & the like which have now failed and gone out of business within 6 years. Trying to stream poor kids into Technical Colleges, basically, and give them a substandard education so nobody wanted to attend them.

 

Congrats on backtracking about the "unfettered" state comment though, it's directly contradicting your original claim that left=communism and there's no difference. Bless......

If you express an opinion I have the right to tell you it's not factually correct. Thought you would be used to that by now, given you endlessly express opinions and rarely support it with facts.

 

THE SKY IS PINK! Oh yes it is, that's my opinion and I have a right to it!! Stop telling me the sky is blue. Fake News! It's my right....!

 

But if I wrote 'the sky is pink' at sunset on a clear day, that could well be true. ;)

 

But back to opinions... they only have to be supported by facts if you're trying to convince someone else to change their minds - something I've long since realised is futile here. :teresa:

 

Congrats on backtracking about the "unfettered" state comment though, it's directly contradicting your original claim that left=communism and there's no difference. Bless......

 

I don't think I claimed there was no difference, only that one is a more extreme version of the other.

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But if I wrote 'the sky is pink' at sunset on a clear day, that could well be true. ;)

 

But back to opinions... they only have to be supported by facts if you're trying to convince someone else to change their minds - something I've long since realised is futile here. :teresa:

I don't think I claimed there was no difference, only that one is a more extreme version of the other.

 

When challenged to back up your views you don't. So your view is just that - one persons view based on nothiung he can point to in support of it. Why on Earth would anyone care about a view based on personal bias and nothing else?

 

When anyone is challenged by you to back up their views, which is often, we do. That makes you a hypocrite.

 

You said:

 

"If the Left is so wonderful, then why do their economies generally perform worse than those in the West : USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala? Why do they put up walls to keep people *in*?"

 

There was nothing there about any sort of degree about Leftism, you lumped them all together. Stop trying to weasle out trying to argue you said something else when you didn't. My point was 100% correct, as usual. Even when it's in black and white and we can read you still try and convince us that your "view" is correct without even bothering to check your own words.

 

That's why it's very difficult to take your viewpoint seriously?

 

 

 

When challenged to back up your views you don't. So your view is just that - one persons view based on nothiung he can point to in support of it. Why on Earth would anyone care about a view based on personal bias and nothing else?

 

When anyone is challenged by you to back up their views, which is often, we do. That makes you a hypocrite.

 

You said:

 

"If the Left is so wonderful, then why do their economies generally perform worse than those in the West : USSR, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuala? Why do they put up walls to keep people *in*?"

 

There was nothing there about any sort of degree about Leftism, you lumped them all together. Stop trying to weasle out trying to argue you said something else when you didn't. My point was 100% correct, as usual. Even when it's in black and white and we can read you still try and convince us that your "view" is correct without even bothering to check your own words.

 

That's why it's very difficult to take your viewpoint seriously?

 

There's a crucial point you are missing here... namely I don't give a sh1t what you think of my opinion.

 

I will express opinions on many subjects, but I no longer feel obliged to explain myself here, given that my explanations tend to be rejected out-of-hand.