Posted October 9, 200618 yr the omen (the 1970s one) is on bbc1 saturday night at 11.30pm. i have never seen this film, and having watched the remake and thinking it was the worst film made this year do you think i would like the original?
October 9, 200618 yr Well the remake is next to identical to the original. Exact same dialoge etc. Only differences are in time and fashion. For example: in the 70's Damien is playing with a toy, in the remake Damien is playing on a playstation - that sort of thing. Plus one different death scene. I honestly prefure the remake. I know some people will be appauled by that but the original is highly dated. The lead actor annoys me. The nanny is corney and John Williams score is to much. The remake has some problems to. Damien's calvin clien type poses (he is trying to look evil) and Julia Styles as his mother. But overall it has a glossy "mtv" style direction to it and the death scenes are done better. My biggest gripe with it is that the story is set in London yet they so obviously did not film it there. There are foreign road signs and all sorts everywhere! Edited October 9, 200618 yr by Ozmead
October 9, 200618 yr Author Well the remake is next to identical to the original. Exact same dialoge etc. this is what im scared of: that it might be a waste of my time when i could watch donnie darko again. i really really hated the remake. and i made the mistake of liking the texas chainsaw remake better as that was the first version that i saw (also had a certain actress from the rules of attraction in as well :lol: but i try to over look that) Only differences are in time and fashion. For example: in the 70's Damien is playing with a toy, in the remake Damien is playing on a playstation - that sort of thing. Plus one different death scene. i dont mind the 70s setting, sometimes it makes it look better. has a special feeling to it that modern horror films dont have. organic? maybe thats the buzzword im trying to scrabble for?
October 9, 200618 yr Well the remake is next to identical to the original. Exact same dialoge etc. Only differences are in time and fashion. For example: in the 70's Damien is playing with a toy, in the remake Damien is playing on a playstation - that sort of thing. Plus one different death scene. I honestly prefure the remake. I know some people will be appauled by that but the original is highly dated. The lead actor annoys me. The nanny is corney and John Williams score is to much. The remake has some problems to. Damien's calvin clien type poses (he is trying to look evil) and Julia Styles as his mother. But overall it has a glossy "mtv" style direction to it and the death scenes are done better. My biggest gripe with it is that the story is set in London yet they so obviously did not film it there. There are foreign road signs and all sorts everywhere! Oh come on how the hell can you prefer the remake, did you actually SEE about a half dozen scenes where the bloody microphone is CLEARLY VISIBLE? Totally inept, incompetent film-making.... Unforgiveable in what is supposed to be a big-budget Hollywood production.... And the "London" scenes.....??? :lol: :lol: As you say, clearly NOT filmed there, unlike the original in which they actually did.... The death scenes are NOT better either, the cameraman's death was just reduced to an out-take from one of the "Final Destination" films, I pissed myself to be honest, and the whole 'devil dog' bit, just why did they use a German shepherd in one scene and then go back to the original idea of having the "Devil Dog" be a Rottweiler....? I mean, I could go on with listing the sheer ineptness and incompentence of the film-makers, the rather bad acting from Julia Stiles and others, the appalling editing, but frankly it would be enough to fill a book..... The absolute WORST film I've seen all year.....
October 9, 200618 yr Author And the "London" scenes.....??? :lol: :lol: As you say, clearly NOT filmed there, unlike the original in which they actually did.... well the Czech film industry did lots of good tax breaks at the time. :lol: :lol: (also note the broken Dacia in the Borat trailer!! Romania thats the new center of the lowcost film world)
October 9, 200618 yr Oh come on how the hell can you prefer the remake, did you actually SEE about a half dozen scenes where the bloody microphone is CLEARLY VISIBLE? Totally inept, incompetent film-making.... Unforgiveable in what is supposed to be a big-budget Hollywood production.... And the "London" scenes.....??? :lol: :lol: As you say, clearly NOT filmed there, unlike the original in which they actually did.... The death scenes are NOT better either, the cameraman's death was just reduced to an out-take from one of the "Final Destination" films, I pissed myself to be honest, and the whole 'devil dog' bit, just why did they use a German shepherd in one scene and then go back to the original idea of having the "Devil Dog" be a Rottweiler....? I mean, I could go on with listing the sheer ineptness and incompentence of the film-makers, the rather bad acting from Julia Stiles and others, the appalling editing, but frankly it would be enough to fill a book..... The absolute WORST film I've seen all year..... LOL I knew you would say something like that :P I really do prefure the remake. The original has mroe of an atmosphere but I actually prefure the modern settings, Mia Farrow and the glossy direction. The original was to 70's. Music to corny and Damien spoke to much.
October 9, 200618 yr the glossy direction. The original was to 70's. Music to corny and Damien spoke to much. To my recollection, Damien didn't utter a word in the original film.... :unsure: Perhaps you're thinking of the Sequel "Damien - Omen 2", where he's a teenager...? And I dunno how on earth you can talk of 'glossy direction' with so many very obvious on-screen fukk-ups... Hardly 'glossy', 'glossy' implies a certain above average level of competence which the director of the remake clearly lacked..... And blaming a 1970s film for being 'too 70s' is just a little silly. What else could a 1970s film set in the modern period of the time possibly be...? :lol: :lol: And Mia Farrow's performance was so unbelievably hammy I half expected her to transform into Miss Piggy.....
October 9, 200618 yr Author And Mia Farrow's performance was so unbelievably hammy I half expected her to transform into Miss Piggy..... probs the scariest thing in it? :lol: actaully that just made me think of brazil again
October 10, 200618 yr Damien did speak in the original movie. He had an iritable cockney acsent. He didn't say much but when he did he hardly came accross as "evil". Mia Farrow again was far better than the original Nanny - who spouted something cringworthy in the 70's film like "I am here to protect theee!" Bottom line is, I prefure the remake. There is no right or wrong about it. Its just what I like. It has its fair share of problems also, but I would rather watch it And when I say its to 70's...there are films that cleaverly try to hide the time in which they were made. But maybe its because I don't like 70's media on a whole. I like it when films look 80's, because I like the 80s. And The original Omen film looks cheap and the MUSIC - possibly John Williams worst score ever. And when the priest/monk (whatever he was) got killed the pole did not even touch him. It was awful. And the mother's death in the re-make (though technically incorrect) was far more emotive and powerful than simply frowing her out a window like what the nanny did in the original film. Edited October 10, 200618 yr by Ozmead
October 10, 200618 yr Damien did speak in the original movie. He had an iritable cockney acsent. He didn't say much but when he did he hardly came accross as "evil". Mia Farrow again was far better than the original Nanny - who spouted something cringworthy in the 70's film like "I am here to protect theee!" Bottom line is, I prefure the remake. There is no right or wrong about it. Its just what I like. It has its fair share of problems also, but I would rather watch it And when I say its to 70's...there are films that cleaverly try to hide the time in which they were made. But maybe its because I don't like 70's media on a whole. I like it when films look 80's, because I like the 80s. And The original Omen film looks cheap and the MUSIC - possibly John Williams worst score ever. And when the priest/monk (whatever he was) got killed the pole did not even touch him. It was awful. And the mother's death in the re-make (though technically incorrect) was far more emotive and powerful than simply frowing her out a window like what the nanny did in the original film. The original "Omen" does have it's flaws sure, and it's far from being one of my favourite horror films of that particular period (that particular honour would go to films like "Dawn of the Dead", "Suspiria", "Don't Look Now", "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "The Hills Have Eyes" amongst others), I do find the original somewhat cheesy and overblown, but despite that, compared to the remake, the original "Omen" is a work of cinematic art..... :lol: There's far too much of this 'slick' MTV-stuff in film-making these days, too many Hollywood films today look like they're pop videos or adverts (I hold Adrian Lyne and Tony Scott mainly responsible for this, for introducing this "style" in the 1980s in films like "Top Gun" and "Flashdance", but compared to some directors these days, Scott and Lyne are like bloody Orson Welles...), the Horror genre has suffered in particular from being 'dumbed down' because of "Scream" and all the post-modernist rubbish that's followed in its wake. Horror is the one genre in particular that is suffering the most from 'remake syndrome'..... Horror has always been my favourite genre and I just despise what's being done to it these days. I used to look forward to a new horror film coming out, now I totally dread it, and not for the reason I should feel dread when watching a horror film....
October 10, 200618 yr I really find your views interesting in all honesty. But I adore the mtv movement and films like Flashdance. Yes every movie should not be carried out like a music video but to me its very appealing. I also prefured the "Hills Have Eyes" remake. I find it really hard to believe that anyone can find the original scary. The only thing the remake lacked was Michael Berryman of the original. haha
October 10, 200618 yr I also prefured the "Hills Have Eyes" remake. I find it really hard to believe that anyone can find the original scary. The only thing the remake lacked was Michael Berryman of the original. haha "The Hills Have Eyes" is the ONE remake that I can honestly say I thought was good and did not disgrace the original. There were some genuinely bloody TERRIFYING moments (the attack on the camper van was really gut-wrenching), my only problem with it was that I thought some of the prosthetics were a bit too OTT. I can believe in a certain level of genetic disfigurement (the film-makers clearly looked at photos of victims of Agent Orange and the Hiroshima/Nagasaki atom bombs), but not really to that level; it kind of ruined the film slightly, but on a plot level it was sound, technically it was of an incredibly high standard and it wasn't really too MTV, it had that grainy, washed out feel that "Devil's Rejects" had as well and it sustained an atmosphere of dread and fear very well... But then, they got the right writer/director for that one - Alexandre Aja, the French director who did the quite fantastic "Switchblade Romance", he injected the same level of sheer nastiness into the "Hills Have Eyes" remake as he did in his debut film... I wasn't laughing or giggling at any point during "Hills Have Eyes".
October 10, 200618 yr I know what you meen about the OTT'ness. One of the "mutants" looked shockingly like that thing out of the Goonies. It was really disturbing! lol
October 10, 200618 yr I know what you meen about the OTT'ness. One of the "mutants" looked shockingly like that thing out of the Goonies. It was really disturbing! lol That was the main problem, they looked a bit too much like fantasy movie monsters as opposed to portraying real people who were disfigured by nuclear weapons tests (and surely that was the point of the film), they should've looked more at the real-life disfigurements caused by radiation and did something similar. Tom Savini would've been the guy to get for the make-up effects, then you'd've seen something really disturbing....
October 10, 200618 yr Author That was the main problem, they looked a bit too much like fantasy movie monsters as opposed to portraying real people who were disfigured by nuclear weapons tests (and surely that was the point of the film), they should've looked more at the real-life disfigurements caused by radiation and did something similar. thats why i liked the original film better (and this time i wached the orig before the remake)
October 14, 200618 yr Author Well the remake is next to identical to the original. Exact same dialoge etc. Only differences are in time and fashion. For example: in the 70's Damien is playing with a toy, in the remake Damien is playing on a playstation - that sort of thing. Plus one different death scene. well on the 23rd you can get all the films in the omen pentology dvd set
October 17, 200618 yr Author well on the 23rd you can get all the films in the omen pentology dvd set including also Damien - Omen II on BBC 1 21st October 2006 at 11.25pm RT gives it 3 stars out of 5. do you agree?
October 18, 200618 yr The sequels were so lame. The 3rd one could have been really could but turned quite embaressing
October 18, 200618 yr all 3 original Omen films were brilliant - I can't honestly believe anyone would truly think the remake is a better movie. And Billiw Whitelaw as the original Nanny is fantastic - absolutely. The remake was dumb, cheap and nasty. As most of these horror remakes seem to be - dumbed down c**p for the dumbed-down MTV generation. Tragic, really..... when will film-makers get it into their heads - you should NOT remake a classic movie - EVER. The Wicker Man, Omen, Texas Chainsaw, Hills Have Eyes...all testament that more money certainly doesn't mean more quality. It truly saddens me that most of the kids going to see these films will not have seen the originals - and when they do, the low budget effects etc will make them think the original is a weaker film. Yep, tragic.....
October 18, 200618 yr The sequels were so lame. The 3rd one could have been really could but turned quite embaressing "Final Conflict" is pretty rubbish, it has one of the worst endings I've seen in a horror film.. Not as bad as "Ninth Gate" though..... "Damien" is pretty okay, but it's not very well directed... It looks way too much like a TV movie...
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