The "Born This Way" album sale is just bizarre. I can't see anyway that it is not over a million now, I thought I was being rather stingy with my estimates of it. We know that it sold 939k to the end of 2012 so it seems it only sold just 50k in 4 years which seems unlikely since two subsequent solo studio albums have been released plus world tours since that point.

It was on 986k when Cheek to Cheek was released so 3k in just over 2 years seems very low. I don't think it's been explicitly said that it was a million seller, but I'm pretty sure there was a list of some sort revealed by the OCC and its positioning on the list made it clear it must have been a million seller, because of an album below it.

Can't blame her for trying to sell an album..

It was on 986k when Cheek to Cheek was released so 3k in just over 2 years seems very low. I don't think it's been explicitly said that it was a million seller, but I'm pretty sure there was a list of some sort revealed by the OCC and its positioning on the list made it clear it must have been a million seller, because of an album below it.

Thanks Liam. Yes so it sold 47k in 2.5 years then just 3k since as you note. Sounds very suspicious.

SFIJ wasn't that either though.

 

Of course it was/is.

 

It has non traditional song structure running through it. Songs where every line starts with the same phrase (That I would be good, Are you still mad) which completely forgo the verse/chorus/verse structure. A song that is a set of letters to former lovers, again that has no chorus (unsent). A song that is one long ramble with again no chorus (The Couch). Not to mention the subject matter being about her trip to India, suicidal thoughts, abusive relationship etc.

 

If Joanne was her SFIJ then fair enough, but Joanne is an attempt to be commercial to a wider audience.

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None of that was all tgat experimental or hard ot digest, especially when she came off singing about giving blowjobs in a theatre, drugs and religion.

To be fair if she wants to discount the album to get better chart positions and certifications, she's free to.

 

She doesn't need the sales to pay the bills. She's one of the top 50 richest musicians in the world already according to the list published at the end of the last year, one of only five or six women on there.

 

http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-10...hest-musicians/ #22 and some 20 years plus younger than any of those above her. She must have a really good accountant and business head on her! Katy P and Rihanna are nowhere to be seen - not that I'm pitting women against each other, but they are often seen as contemporaries and I would've expected them to be up near her.

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None of that was all tgat experimental or hard ot digest, especially when she came off singing about giving blowjobs in a theatre, drugs and religion.

 

If not having a regular strong structure of verse/chorus/verse is easy to digest then why aren't all songs like that and why is the chart filled with songs that follow that structure?

 

You are arguing for the sake of it.

 

 

Just because it's not the norm, doesn't mean it's hard to digest. Alanis has been doing songs that don't follow the norm her whole career. But this is about Gaga,

so just take some Antacid and calm down.

What's SFIJ? (Usually I'm good at deciphering these, but I cannot think what that one is for the life of me :')

 

'Joanne' was a very daring album! Like, who would that album honestly appeal to? It's completely different for Gaga! I can't see who it was supposed to appeal to when a lot of her core fanbase were initially disappointed by it? I've seen a lot of comments from people who basically say that it's actually not that bad of an album in retrospect. There were no pop bangers in the same way that we're used to from her.

 

So I would say it was a daring move to release something like 'Joanne' for her. Especially here in the UK. At least the US have an audience for that sort of adult contemporary/borderline country influenced pop.

What's SFIJ? (Usually I'm good at deciphering these, but I cannot think what that one is for the life of me :')

 

'Joanne' was a very daring album! Like, who would that album honestly appeal to? It's completely different for Gaga! I can't see who it was supposed to appeal to when a lot of her core fanbase were initially disappointed by it? I've seen a lot of comments from people who basically say that it's actually not that bad of an album in retrospect. There were no pop bangers in the same way that we're used to from her.

 

So I would say it was a daring move to release something like 'Joanne' for her. Especially here in the UK. At least the US have an audience for that sort of adult contemporary/borderline country influenced pop.

Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie by Alanis!

 

It didn't take me long to get used to the change of direction with Joanne and I can comfortably say I prefer it to ARTPOP, but it's easy to see why her fanbase would have struggled relating to this album, especially when they're so used to Gaga delivering such solid pop songs. 'Perfect Illusion' is the closest thing resembling Gaga pre-Joanne and that wasn't really well-received at all, not at first at least.

I personally think Joanne was brave of her and I admire her for it, you can tell she truly did what she wanted to do on it. The predictable move would have been for her to try and come back with another average sounding pop/dance track or album.

I cant believe people think 'Joanne' was daring, it was the exact opposite. Her loyal fans were going to buy anything she releases and it is clear from her career trajectory until now that the general public have moved on past the pop/dance/banger and over the topness.

 

She basically released an album meant to endear her back to the general public, when you look at the music scene right now no one relevant is releasing dance/pop music (maybe aside from Little Mix who are targeting kids). You could say she is evolving but I think she is far more calculating and it is more down to what she thinks will get her back in favour than a natural progression.

I cant believe people think 'Joanne' was daring, it was the exact opposite. Her loyal fans were going to buy anything she releases and it is clear from her career trajectory until now that the general public have moved on past the pop/dance/banger and over the topness.

 

She basically released an album meant to endear her back to the general public, when you look at the music scene right now no one relevant is releasing dance/pop music (maybe aside from Little Mix who are targeting kids). You could say she is evolving but I think she is far more calculating and it is more down to what she thinks will get her back in favour than a natural progression.

 

 

Not at all. Half of the top 10 in the UK singles chart right now is dance/pop infused:

 

Ed Sheeran - Shape of You

The Chainsmokers - Paris

Clean Bandit ft. Anne Marie & Sean Paul - Rockabye

Sean Paul ft. Dua Lipa - No Lie

 

..not forgetting Little Mix - Touch!!

 

Jax Jones possibly too...

Think she'll get a chart boost on either side of the pond from the Superbowl performance?

 

Glad she did Million Reasons. It's stunning how much better that song sounds live than studio.

Like others have said above I LOVE 'Joanne' however was initially disappointed but after taking time with it I think it's a beautiful album.

 

Frustrating that she has given 'A Million Reasons' almost endless promo worldwide and failed to turn it into the monster hit she clearly wants the song to become.