May 16, 20178 yr Also, rewatched Fires of Pompeeii the other day. Boooriiiiiing. Also the Romans SO DID have a word for volcano!!! :lol: The best SJS episode HAS to be Death of the Doctor however. But how would those birds have entered the Tardis anyway even with the key? It repels unauthorised lifeforms. Another q: if that technology is all it tskes to get the key, then why did others not use it to get in? Doctor is easy tocapture and never armed ... If it's just the lack of a key stopping people from getting in, then why did the Sontarans not enter when Donna left the door OPEN when alone on their warship??
May 16, 20178 yr And then why do the Daleks say, 'Impossible, only the Doctor can fly the Tardis!', with a whole big thing about how River is the only other person who can thanks to the Tardis teaching her directly? What episode was it that it taught her? Whilst the fact was treated as super important, the event itself was glossed over like a freefalling Westlife manipulated no.1.
May 16, 20178 yr What episode was it that it taught her? Whilst the fact was treated as super important, the event itself was glossed over like a freefalling Westlife manipulated no.1. I think the purpose was just to show that like this character is of such huge importance to the Doctor but obviously we don't know why or who she really is yet and neither does the Doctor!
May 16, 20178 yr The Angels Take Manhattan was a high point of Series 7, they are pretty much the ultimate Doctor Who villains of the new era for me and haven't yet been overused so any story involving them has the potential to be a classic. The Statue of Liberty as an angel is a laughable prospect but it didn't cheapen them as a whole, and the send off was great, their method of 'killing' was certainly the right emotional one for Amy and Rory. I rewatched the series 3 three parter recently (I'm watching all of 1-4 thanks to this thread, impact *.), Utopia and The Sound of Drums are incredible and one of the few moments in the series where the Doctor is truly outmatched, but Last of the Time Lords lets it down him rising like some Jesus Christ figure is just way too far, as was Martha's 'journey', and then everything getting reset anyway is such a copout. Still, John Simm was amazing as The Master, looking forward to his return.
May 16, 20178 yr At its best the SJA could outperform doctor who it self story wise was a shame about Liz sladen the 5th series was just getting along good I know they ended it because of Liz but. I believe the others were superb enough actors if we were to revisit Bannerman road in the future We need a new spinoff or at least bring back Torchwood to TV not just audio
May 16, 20178 yr Author It would be nice to check in on Rani, Luke and Clyde one day but equally I quite like the idea of Sarah Jane still being alive in-universe, defending the earth, and I'm not sure how they'd revisit them without changing that :(
May 16, 20178 yr We need a new spinoff or at least bring back Torchwood to TV not just audio Um we have Class? :lol:
May 16, 20178 yr It would be nice to check in on Rani, Luke and Clyde one day but equally I quite like the idea of Sarah Jane still being alive in-universe, defending the earth, and I'm not sure how they'd revisit them without changing that :( A surprise regeneration somehow? The Angels Take Manhattan was a high point of Series 7, they are pretty much the ultimate Doctor Who villains of the new era for me and haven't yet been overused so any story involving them has the potential to be a classic. The Statue of Liberty as an angel is a laughable prospect but it didn't cheapen them as a whole, and the send off was great, their method of 'killing' was certainly the right emotional one for Amy and Rory. I rewatched the series 3 three parter recently (I'm watching all of 1-4 thanks to this thread, impact *.), Utopia and The Sound of Drums are incredible and one of the few moments in the series where the Doctor is truly outmatched, but Last of the Time Lords lets it down him rising like some Jesus Christ figure is just way too far, as was Martha's 'journey', and then everything getting reset anyway is such a copout. Still, John Simm was amazing as The Master, looking forward to his return. The Rory and Amy seasons are pretty fantastic overall - the whole River story is my favourite arc and storyline ever in Doc Who, and the angels my favourite enemies. It's true - every episode they have been in has been a classic. I loved the Fall of the Byzantium when they are talking about a two-headed race but going through a maze of one-headed statues. I didn't even click the first time and again the second time a few years later! Tennant's doctor is the worst. They have him like some super powerful messiah who preaches and is never wrong and changes the world how he wants. AWFUL.
May 16, 20178 yr Utopia et al is a pretty epic way to conclude Series 3, I found a few parts of it a little cheap but the horror of the Toclafane and the seizure of power by the British PM/Master, and using the fact that it all gets undone to have a legitimate disaster happen to the UK/the world and the aftereffects of it, that was rather good because that sort of stuff was never going to happen without a reset button so I don't mind that being a part of it.
May 16, 20178 yr (like, the Romans would have known what a volcano was, Etna in Sicily (not to mention the island Vulcano) erupted during that period all the time) Also the Romans SO DID have a word for volcano!!! :lol: We DO have things in common! We nitpick historical inaccuracies in entertainment shows just the same.
May 17, 20178 yr Author 25 The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang Series 5, Episodes 12 and 13 Doctor: Eleventh Companion: Amy Pond, Rory Williams, River Song The series 5 finale saw the Doctor and Amy find a message on the oldest cliff-face in the universe, which the TARDIS translates to a familiar saying - "Hello Sweetie". They follow the co-ordinates next to it to find River Song in Roman England, posing as Cleopatra (!!!!). River shows the Doctor a Van Gogh painting that she acquired, entitled The Pandorica Opens, which depicts the TARDIS exploding. They go to Stonehenge to find out more about the Pandorica, and locate it in a hidden lair underneath. It's a giant box ultimately, not doing anything more than sitting there, but alien races begin to arrive in the sky after it transmits a message. The Doctor and Amy are attacked by parts of a Cyberman (the Pandorica's guard), which electrocute the Doctor and knocks him out. Amy has to fight against the Cyberman, and is saved by a revived Rory, but she faints. The Doctor realises that Rory is an auton, and is confused as to how he is there. To save time, the Doctor warns off the aliens with a speech about how he's keeping guard, while River takes the TARDIS to find out more information, realising that everything links back to Amy, including her boyfriend and her favourite topic at school. She tells the Doctor that the Pandorica must be a trap, engineered by Amy's memories, but he is captured by the Daleks, the Cyberman, the Sontarans, and many other enemies he's faced off before, and dragged into the Pandorica - which has opened to reveal itself as a prison. River becomes trapped in an exploding TARDIS, while the auton part of Rory activates and he shoots Amy. The Big Bang opens with young Amelia being drawn to the nearby museum, where the Pandorica is on display. She's encouraged by sticky notes to stay until the evening and the Pandorica opens again, revealing Amy inside. We learn that Rory was given the sonic screwdriver by the Doctor, to go and get his earlier self out of the Pandorica. He then puts Amy inside and, as he's plastic, he decides to keep guard over Amy for 2000 years until it's healed her. In the present day, the TARDIS' explosion has caused the whole of creation to cease existing, except for the Earth. The Doctor reunites with the two Amys and Rory, setting up his own rescue, and they're then chased by the stone Daleks, reawakening now the Pandorica's reopened. They see a future version of the Doctor fall down the stairs and die. The Doctor then saves River from the TARDIS using the teleporter, before being shot by a Dalek and teleporting back to earlier on. They return to the body to see that he's moved, and River tells Amy and Rory about rule 1 - the Doctor lies. The Doctor is wiring up the Pandorica, so he can fly it into the heart of the explosion and save time, but at a price - his life. After a tearful farewell to Amy, the Doctor completes his plan, and begins to revisit his timeline in reverse. After sitting by Amelia's bedside on the night they first met, the Doctor skips the rest of the countdown and steps through a crack in time, closing them for good and restoring anything they previously took, including Rory and Amy's parents. However, Amy's strong connection brings the Doctor back and he attends Amy and Rory's wedding, before taking them off for new adventures. While a lot of the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey episodes can often be quite difficult to sit back and enjoy, this is one example where it works a treat. Firstly, The Pandorica Opens has a really good build-up. The Pandorica has a lot of mystery to it and the reveal of it being a prison was great, although obviously not so great if the Doctor can get out with one quick use of the sonic screwdriver :kink: The return of Rory was a nice surprise too, and River Song as Cleopatra is fantastic :') the use of all of the aliens at the end of episode 12 feels a tiny bit silly, some of those races surely wouldn't be anywhere near each other. However, I loved the Cyberman versus Amy scene, definitely one of the best Cyberman uses of the Moffat era (despite only being for a couple of minutes!). The back-and-forth teleporting aspect of episode 13 worked well to resolve the plot but remain engaging and easy to follow.
May 17, 20178 yr The Pandorica Opens is an absolutely fantastic episode. From the amazing opening sequence to THAT ultimate cliffhanger, it is what a finale should be about. Therefore, I kind of didn't appreciate the understated The Big Bang at first because it was odd to go from an all guns blazing episode to five people running around a museum. With rewatches though, I do appreciate it a lot more and it is actually a really inventive way to do things and also kind of the right way for the story. It does still confuse me to this day as to what it means for the Series 5 timeline and whether those stories happened or not! Um we have Class? :lol: lmao thats just a normal show with the Doctor Who label slapped onto it. Plus, it's not that great and basically no one watched it :lol:
May 17, 20178 yr The Pandorica Opens two parter is amazing - especially that cliffhanger!! The only problem is the sonic screwdriver opening an impenetrable prison! Surely if it waa built to stop a Time Lord getting out, Time Lord technology, especially the one weapon he ALWAYS HAS, would have been factored into the design?
May 17, 20178 yr The Pandorica Opens was definitely an interesting one! Although Amy's parents being alive and with her her whole life after she grew up living with her aunt bc her parents died signalled the start of the complications... :lol:
May 17, 20178 yr And then we never even hear about Amy's parents again :') This is something that always bugged me....but Moffat's stuff is full of this. We never see the aunt. The parents never appear again. Rory's dad didn't even feature in their final episode though they did attempt to rectify this. Clara's family were seen so sporadically that you can't remember who is who and the backstory is contained as the only interesting part of a pretty naff episode. The family she was a nanny to literally disappear without mention (or at east a memorable one) and I'm pretty worried we'll never see Bill's adoptive mum ever again.... Edited May 17, 20178 yr by T Boy in Weeyals
May 17, 20178 yr So did season 5 actually um happen? As the Weeping Angels etc are all back so couldn't have fallen into the gap?
May 17, 20178 yr This is something that always bugged me....but Moffat's stuff is full of this. We never see the aunt. The parents never appear again. Rory's dad didn't even feature in their final episode though they did attempt to rectify this. Clara's family were seen so sporadically that you can't remember who is who and the backstory is contained as the only interesting part of a pretty naff episode. The family she was a nanny to literally disappear without mention (or at east a memorable one) and I'm pretty worried we'll never see Bill's adoptive mum ever again.... Yep, this is certainly a feature that I feel is a big loss to Moffat's era! Rose/Martha/Donna's family really helped to earth the characters and create that greater sense of returning characters. Moffat seems to have replaced the families with the companions still actually having a life which doesn't really work as well. I did think that they were stepping in the right direction through featuring Bill's foster mum in the first episode but, I agree, I doubt anything more will actually come of that. Bringing back Amy's mum and dad, only to never feature them again is such a buzarre decision. Especially when, as people have said, the reason why Amy met the Doctor is kind of because her mum and dad weren't there. The finale is really confusing as to the actual timelines that happened :drama:
May 18, 20178 yr Um we have Class? :lol: Well technically but if you didn't have a 5 minute cameo from the doctor in episode one you wouldn't even know the shows were connected SJA had Sarah Jane Torchwood had captain jack Nobody from class appeared in doctor who to me that's not a spin off And as Joseph said its looking highly unlikely to be renewed So we would need a need one Pandorica opens Is fantastic the big bang was good but flawed with many things from the ending just forgotten why introduced Amy's parents just to retcon her back story Did it not get undone in the angels take Manhattan the final scene was her sitting in her harden as a child again
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