You should be a lot more concerned about the Americanisation of our culture than anything else... to me, that is by far the most insidious anti-cultural influence.....

 

 

i am very concerned about it, i abhore it, i abhore ANYTHING that is erroding our national identity...

 

i cant see any ethnic minority group devaluing their cultures.... why should we?

 

what is wrong with being british?... (thats british, not fascist)

 

climate change is a red herring, the climate has always been variable, the main reason why theres a water shortage in the south east is the simple fact that there too many people there!... the south east has ALWAYS been drier then the rest of the country and the thames water authorities inefficiency is no worse then any other water authorities.... but we havnt the population, thats the main difference.

 

Hmmm, well you've obviously not actually looked at the scientific evidence then mate... We are 10 years away from a climactic 'point of no return', this is scientific FACT!!! And if we just ignore it, all these big debates about Al Qaeda and Dubya and the 'war on terror' will be rendered utterly fukkin moot, because the planet will be fukked beyond all hope of it ever being able to regenerate and we as a species will slowly die out, just leaving the cockroaches alive to evolve and make a go of things... They probably couldn't do a worse job of running the planet....

 

 

i am very concerned about it, i abhore it, i abhore ANYTHING that is erroding our national identity...

 

i cant see any ethnic minority group devaluing their cultures.... why should we?

 

what is wrong with being british?... (thats british, not fascist)

 

Because history has been littered with examples of Britishness as brutality, negativity, slavery and the most extreme racism... We went around the world for two hundred years devaluing other cultures, now we're getting a taste of our own medicine, tough luck, get used to it... We've still got a HELL of a lot to make up for.. What goes around comes around.... Karma dude.. We created a hell of lot of bad Karma back in the day, we got to pay the piper for that somehow to redress the balance.... It's sh!tty, but I think on balance we deserve everything we're getting now cos we went out to these countries, robbed the people of their own identities, fed them some ridiculous sense of 'britishness', told them that 'britishness' was the be-all and end-all, and now we're so fukkin' surprised that they're knocking on our door wanting a piece of us....

 

You want someone to blame, blame the arseholes who were the architects of the "British Empire".....

Hmmm, well you've obviously not actually looked at the scientific evidence then mate... We are 10 years away from a climactic 'point of no return', this is scientific FACT!!! And if we just ignore it, all these big debates about Al Qaeda and Dubya and the 'war on terror' will be rendered utterly fukkin moot, because the planet will be fukked beyond all hope of it ever being able to regenerate and we as a species will slowly die out, just leaving the cockroaches alive to evolve and make a go of things... They probably couldn't do a worse job of running the planet....

 

 

yeah well 20 years ago the 'experts' promised us we were on the brink of the next ice age.... :lol:

 

weather records stretch back 150 odd years..... but the weathers been ongoing for much longer then that! ...lol.. and when you consider the records from 2000 years then the hypthesis that we are on the brink of 'no return' is somewhat dubious.

 

the climate has always fluctuated... FACT.

 

mini ice ages in the 17th centuary, the fact that the uk was 1c-3c WARMER from roman times until the 14th centuary... the fact that the 1730's was the hottest decade on record...

 

i dont buy the global warming thing.... sure we are poluting the planet, AND SHOULDNT BE, and we do have an effect... however the sea which covers 2/3 of the earths surface has the capacity to store co2, a fact which certain doom mongers tend to ignore...

 

 

Because history has been littered with examples of Britishness as brutality, negativity, slavery and the most extreme racism... We went around the world for two hundred years devaluing other cultures, now we're getting a taste of our own medicine, tough luck, get used to it... We've still got a HELL of a lot to make up for.. What goes around comes around.... Karma dude.. We created a hell of lot of bad Karma back in the day, we got to pay the piper for that somehow to redress the balance.... It's sh!tty, but I think on balance we deserve everything we're getting now cos we went out to these countries, robbed the people of their own identities, fed them some ridiculous sense of 'britishness', told them that 'britishness' was the be-all and end-all, and now we're so fukkin' surprised that they're knocking on our door wanting a piece of us....

 

You want someone to blame, blame the arseholes who were the architects of the "British Empire".....

 

 

like i said, it was wrong, but those people then made the decisions they did out of what they believed to be right.... kids today seldom comprehend the way punk really effected our culture, and that was only 30 years ago..

 

i put it to you that we cannot comprehend the decisions made over 100 years ago... times and outlooks have changed. by todays standerds the empire is abhorent, but was it really that bad by their standerds?

yeah well 20 years ago the 'experts' promised us we were on the brink of the next ice age.... :lol:

 

weather records stretch back 150 odd years..... but the weathers been ongoing for much longer then that! ...lol.. and when you consider the records from 2000 years then the hypthesis that we are on the brink of 'no return' is somewhat dubious.

 

the climate has always fluctuated... FACT.

 

mini ice ages in the 17th centuary, the fact that the uk was 1c-3c WARMER from roman times until the 14th centuary... the fact that the 1730's was the hottest decade on record...

 

i dont buy the global warming thing.... sure we are poluting the planet, AND SHOULDNT BE, and we do have an effect... however the sea which covers 2/3 of the earths surface has the capacity to store co2, a fact which certain doom mongers tend to ignore...

 

I'd like to know where you're getting your information from tbh, because all the facts that I've seen indicate the hottest years on record have occurred in the last 14 years or so, with last year being officially the hottest year ever...

 

But would I be right in saying that these other hot spots that occurred in history, occurred without the vast levels of pollution that are occurring now.....? It's not so much the heat that is the problem, it is the pollution that's the problem, and the fact that now weather patterns are becoming a lot more extreme because of what we do....

 

Face it dude what is a terrorist attack as compared to something like the Tsunami or Hurricane Katrina....? Fukk all.....

 

I rather think future generations actully would rather we sorted out the environmental problems than the so-called 'terrorist' problems, because while terror attacks are certainly bad, environmental catastrophes make them look like minor problems in comparison....

because that was pertainent to the time..... it would be totally unacceptable by todays standards, but we are talking victorian times when standards were different, not right, just different. they totally believed that what they were doing was right.... it wasnt, but they believed that it was.

 

They believed they were right because they were arrogant, simple as... Oh, and of course, the Missionaries that went out there all had 'God' on their side as well.. They would 'teach the savages the error of their ways'..... Arrogance....

 

its a fact that temps in the uk were much higher in the past... the romans grew grapes as far north as newcastle.... we cant do that today.

 

its a fact that temps were 1c higher in the reign of edward 1st... (the hammer of the scots :P lol) 1272-1307

 

its a fact that there was a 'mini ice age' during the later half of the 17th centuary, where he thames froze over... and again in victorian times.

 

its a fact that there has always been extremes in weather, as long as man could write.

 

and its a fact that these conditions were prevelant BEFORE the industrial revolution.

 

the 1730's were the uks warmest decade, however records are not recognised as standards for recoring were not agreed then.

 

im not convinced by a mile that ALL the climatic variation is due to man... simply because the climate has varied for thousands of years without any impact from man. i also believe that the sea can absorb excess co2, a fact which david belamy subscibes too. we just dont know exactly whats going on.... we dont know how it works and we are ignoring historical fact.

They believed they were right because they were arrogant, simple as... Oh, and of course, the Missionaries that went out there all had 'God' on their side as well.. They would 'teach the savages the error of their ways'..... Arrogance....

 

 

true... i dont dispute it, but they believed that they were doing right... as god was on their side... <_<

 

like i said, its a case of trying to understand their perspective.

And where the hell is the evidence for this? It's just the government scare mongering. I think it's aload of bollocks. It's very "1984" for me <_<

And where the hell is the evidence for this? It's just the government scare mongering. I think it's aload of bollocks. It's very "1984" for me <_<

 

Thanks be to John for actually getting back on topic.... :lol:

 

 

its a fact that temps in the uk were much higher in the past... the romans grew grapes as far north as newcastle.... we cant do that today.

 

its a fact that temps were 1c higher in the reign of edward 1st... (the hammer of the scots :P lol) 1272-1307

 

its a fact that there was a 'mini ice age' during the later half of the 17th centuary, where he thames froze over... and again in victorian times.

 

its a fact that there has always been extremes in weather, as long as man could write.

 

and its a fact that these conditions were prevelant BEFORE the industrial revolution.

 

the 1730's were the uks warmest decade, however records are not recognised as standards for recoring were not agreed then.

 

im not convinced by a mile that ALL the climatic variation is due to man... simply because the climate has varied for thousands of years without any impact from man. i also believe that the sea can absorb excess co2, a fact which david belamy subscibes too. we just dont know exactly whats going on.... we dont know how it works and we are ignoring historical fact.

 

These were wholly natural weather conditions though, there's nothing at all natural about what's occurring now. I dont think history has recorded anything like the Tsunami and it's not unusual for rivers to freeze over. It is a recognised scientific fact that major glaciers in the North and South Poles are disappearing and breaking up, THAT is unprecedented I dont think you can really deny that. The experts who study the glaciers are getting very concerned indeed. And as the documentary "An Inconvienient Truth" points out, soon there will be snows on Mount Kilimanjaro... I dont think you can just rubbish all this empirical scientific evidence and bury your head in the sand. And it's a very dangerous thing to say as well. Every time someone says the sorts of things you say (and it is certainly NOT the mainstream independant scientific opinion anyway) it makes the politicians think "oh, well, why bother then, let's just keep polluting...", you and these handful of so-called "experts" (and I frankly question their subjectivity, a lot of thes people have their research funded by the very same polluting Multinationals who are the problem in the first place..) are just saying exactly what the Polticians and the business community want to hear. How many Tsunamis is it gonna take dude, before we see that the Planet is giving us an ultimatum....?

These were wholly natural weather conditions though, there's nothing at all natural about what's occurring now. I dont think history has recorded anything like the Tsunami and it's not unusual for rivers to freeze over. It is a recognised scientific fact that major glaciers in the North and South Poles are disappearing and breaking up, THAT is unprecedented I dont think you can really deny that. The experts who study the glaciers are getting very concerned indeed. And as the documentary "An Inconvienient Truth" points out, soon there will be snows on Mount Kilimanjaro... I dont think you can just rubbish all this empirical scientific evidence and bury your head in the sand. And it's a very dangerous thing to say as well. Every time someone says the sorts of things you say (and it is certainly NOT the mainstream independant scientific opinion anyway) it makes the politicians think "oh, well, why bother then, let's just keep polluting...", you and these handful of so-called "experts" (and I frankly question their subjectivity, a lot of thes people have their research funded by the very same polluting Multinationals who are the problem in the first place..) are just saying exactly what the Polticians and the business community want to hear. How many Tsunamis is it gonna take dude, before we see that the Planet is giving us an ultimatum....?

 

 

the tsunami wasnt caused by the weather though scott, it was caused by a totally natural phenomena... an underwater earthquake. these and worse have occured since time began.

 

the point is though that reliable data only stretches back 150 odd years.... now thats f all in terms of the planet. my point stands, the climate has always fluctuated and we are only guessing what our polluting impact has been and how the planet will deal with it.

 

i am totally opposed to polluting mother earth... it is showing terrible dis-respect for our life giving home.

I won't pretend I'm any kind of expert on geology, but as I understand it tsunamis are caused by underwater earthquakes or volcanic eruptions. Something which I don't think can be stopped or indeed started by anything people do.

 

i too hate crimbo, but like it or not we supposed to live in a christian society and the majority of the white population do celebrate crimbo... the point being that the MAJORITY are in favour of crimbo lights... foreigners should put up with it or f off!

 

waste of energy? ... well turn off the dwali lights too!

 

In my experience, Muslims or people with different religious views in general aren't themselves offended by Christmas. In fact they often seem to wish others a merry Christmas even if they themselves don't celebrate it. Once again, it seems the goverment and councils are just ridiculously afraid of offending any ethnic or religious minority, and when they make descisons like that they end up doing race relations much more harm than good.

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In my experience, Muslims or people with different religious views in general aren't themselves offended by Christmas. In fact they often seem to wish others a merry Christmas even if they themselves don't celebrate it. Once again, it seems the goverment and councils are just ridiculously afraid of offending any ethnic or religious minority, and when they make descisons like that they end up doing race relations much more harm than good.

 

I've certainly never heard any Muslims, Jews or Hinus say anything particularly negative about Christmas (well, apart from the usual gripes of it being overly commercialised and the 'celebrations' that seem to arrive earlier and earlier every year; but I think just about everyone who isn't a greeting card manufacturer or is involved in the marketing aspects of business does...), or say stuff like "Oh, I really wish the council would get rid of the Christmas tree...". I think it is a case of Councils who arbitrarily make these decisions when it's the case that the majority dont really give a toss either way....

 

For myself, I would rather the Christmas lights, etc ONLY be turned on when it is the actual Holiday Season (the "12 Days of Christmas" in other words..) as opposed to lasting well over a month... And I really dont agree with shops stocking Christmas products when we haven't even had Halloween yet....

 

I've certainly never heard any Muslims, Jews or Hinus say anything particularly negative about Christmas (well, apart from the usual gripes of it being overly commercialised and the 'celebrations' that seem to arrive earlier and earlier every year; but I think just about everyone who isn't a greeting card manufacturer or is involved in the marketing aspects of business does...), or say stuff like "Oh, I really wish the council would get rid of the Christmas tree...". I think it is a case of Councils who arbitrarily make these decisions when it's the case that the majority dont really give a toss either way....

 

A lot of Jewish, Muslim, etc. people here celebrate Christmas. They have a tree, put lights up, and St Nick comes on Christmas night and leaves presents, etc. They just don't celebrate the Christian part of Christmas. All of this is rather amusing to me because it shows the whole Christmas celebration has become so cultural and far removed from the actual religious tradition that people of all faiths celebrate it.

This is just another government scare tactic to further go down the road of invading our privacy and a new labour big brother society

This is just another government scare tactic to further go down the road of invading our privacy and a new labour big brother society

least we agree on this.

A lot of Jewish, Muslim, etc. people here celebrate Christmas. They have a tree, put lights up, and St Nick comes on Christmas night and leaves presents, etc. They just don't celebrate the Christian part of Christmas. All of this is rather amusing to me because it shows the whole Christmas celebration has become so cultural and far removed from the actual religious tradition that people of all faiths celebrate it.

 

Christmas these days is about as Religious as a bowl of custard if we're being totally honest.... :lol: It's historically sod all to do with Christianity anyway, the date of December 25th was just nicked off the old Pagan celebration of Yule...

 

I dont actually wish people 'Merry Christmas'. I always wish them a 'Happy Yuletide' these days.... Because, that's what it is....